Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1144

#351 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:11:59 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Vote total comparison so far:

Chief/Dante/L-Block/Snake at 5:01 AM - 39557
Link/Shepard/Draven at 5:01 AM - 39944
Link/Cloud/L-Block/Snake at 5:02 AM - 46171

Only about 400 votes ahead of the 2007 semifinal match right now. Although we're about 6200 votes behind the 2007 final.


Wow that finals must have been legendary
I think reading the stat topics from that day can be fun
#352 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:12:05 AM | message detail
So, looking back on Mario/Crono for a moment, Crono ended at 46.92% on Mario, about 3/4 of a point better than he did in 2005. MMX and a day match probably cancel each other out. So, overall, good show for Crono. This Mario is weaker than 2005 Mario, so Crono is also weaker than 2005 Crono- but not by all that much. This Crono might be on the level of 2006 Crono.
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#353 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:13:36 AM | message detail
I don't understand how Mario can be weaker now.Because that seems that Cloud and Snake surely beat him now 1vs1 and that doesn't makes sense.
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#354 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:19:38 AM | message detail
I don't think Draven is going to be slowed more than this
If the rally topic is really not in the first page then I really don't understand why he is still winning updates
Might be bandwagon+Link anti votes combo?
#355 | Lopen | Posted 9/2/2013 2:19:46 AM | message detail
So some long anticipated RALLY VOTES stats. I'll probably do another at 7:35 to have identical sets for them all. I might actually fill out the rest of the night matches for the other two but not sure I care to bother.

Link vs Shepard vs Draven

Time: Link + Shepard's %, (approximated extra votes)
0:05-0:35: 27.4% (5380 approximated extra votes)
0:35-1:05: 28.1% (3102)
1:05-1:35: 33.1% (3031)
1:35-2:05: 28.5% (2650)
2:05-2:35: 24.3% (2255)
2:35-3:05: 19.7% (1859)
3:05-3:35: 19.3% (1643)
3:35-4:05: 19.3% (1627)
4:05-4:35: 18.3% (1428)
4:35-5:05: 21.5% (1329)

Ryu vs MMX vs Draven

Time: MMX + Ryu's %, (approximated extra votes)

0:35-1:05: 10% (4378 approximated extra votes)
1:05-1:35: 10.3% (4878)
1:35-2:05: 11.9% (4106)
2:05-2:35: 12.4% (3620)
2:35-3:05: 7.9% (2838)
3:05-3:35: 12.3% (3259)
3:35-4:05: 8.4% (2481)
4:05-4:35: 5.8% (2221)
4:35-5:05: 9.8% (2265)
5:05-5:35: 5.1% (2173)
5:35-6:05: 5.2% (2029)
6:05-6:35: 8.2% (2126)
6:35-7:05: 6.4% (1946)
7:05-7:35: 2.4% (1864)

Jak vs Chie vs Draven

Time: Jak + Chie%, (approximated extra votes)

(extra votes before here were trace)
3:05-3:35: 4.4% (411)
3:35-4:05: 1% (770)
4:05-4:35: 9.7% (656)
4:35-5:05: 10.4% (888)
5:05-5:35: 11.9% (906)
5:35-6:05: 12.5% (770)
6:05-6:35: 28.9% (944)
6:35-7:05: 35.7% (843)
7:05-7:35: 29.5% (734)
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#356 | mikisho | Posted 9/2/2013 2:20:31 AM | message detail
Is anyone else excited for the day vote? This day vote is essentially going to decide who wins the contest.
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#357 | Averia | Posted 9/2/2013 2:21:12 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
I don't think Draven is going to be slowed more than this
If the rally topic is really not in the first page then I really don't understand why he is still winning updates
Might be bandwagon+Link anti votes combo?


He may no longer be on r/all but he is still 4th in the lol subreddit.
About slowing down it was 3rd one hour ago, it's going down, but nowhere fast enough.
#358 | Lopen | Posted 9/2/2013 2:25:29 AM | message detail | (edited)
Notes:

- I approximated Draven at 12% here. 15% at MMX. 22% at Chie. It doesn't really make a huge difference in the calculation as the rallied votes dwarf the GameFAQs votes-- it also doesn't matter at all for determining the trend in the percentage of the extra votes he's getting since that only cares that we're being consistent.
- You'll notice Link + Shep are getting a much higher percentage than MMX+Ryu were getting-- implies that this is less fishy.
- You'll also notice that it started stronger than the MMX match in terms of strength, but is bottoming out much lower. Again, another sign for less stuffed votes here.
- There is still probably fishiness however, as Link + Shep are tanking more relative to Draven as rallied vote intake goes down. Again, the conclusion to draw from that is that Draven is getting a flat amount of cheated votes + rallied votes. So as the rallied votes go down a higher percentage of the extra votes are cheated, meaning Draven goes up substantially.
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#359 | SnoicFactor | Posted 9/2/2013 2:26:14 AM | message detail
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#360 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:27:04 AM | message detail
It's actually a really high 49.99%

we can blame shepard for another 5 minutes!
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#361 | sheridanmoviegu | Posted 9/2/2013 2:28:52 AM | message detail
Hooray for ballet stuffing, I guess?

At least L-Block was funny. Everyone knows what Tetris is. I could ask any person I know that plays video games and they could tell me what Tetris is, or who Link is and they would be able to tell me. I would bet you maybe 15-20% of them would know who Draven is. If that.

At least pick someone un-lame for your rally.
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#362 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 9/2/2013 2:29:43 AM | message detail
The rally topic is on the front page of the LoL subreddit, the only place that matters. It has now fallen to 4th, though (it was 2nd for a long time), so I could see it falling off the front page some time tomorrow.
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#363 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:29:59 AM | message detail
I can live with 25% of Draven votes going to Link
What happened in the X and Ryu match was defiantly fishy
Sure Link is more popular,but only in Gamefaqs it's that drastic
I think that two strong characters are supposed to leech more votes than one stronger character but maybe im wrong
#364 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:31:42 AM | message detail
All right, now Draven has a majority of votes.

we'll have to wait to blame shepard until link starts rising like a hero again
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#365 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:32:08 AM | message detail
Strange how all these Link fans have appeared out of nowhere to try and help him survive when they seemingly let Mario die against Vivi.
#366 | mikisho | Posted 9/2/2013 2:34:08 AM | message detail
Because it's not like it's very obvious that Link is stronger than Mario has literally EVER been, right?
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#367 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:34:25 AM | message detail
Link has more fans than Mario here. Plus, we like Vivi while we don't like our contests being invaded by an outside, overwhelmingly powerful, force.
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#368 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:35:28 AM | message detail
I think the Link support motives are pretty varied.

A lot of it is anti-Draven/Draven's rally. That's obviously not a factor that was in play regarding Mario/Vivi.

This board also undoubtedly likes Vivi a lot more than they do Draven. I expect they'd be less likely to act to stop something like that.
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#369 | OnionOfMystery | Posted 9/2/2013 2:36:25 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Plus, we like Vivi while we don't like our contests being invaded by an outside, overwhelmingly powerful, force.


What a laugh. 4chan's /v/ board is the outside, overwhelmingly powerful, force that sided with Vivi.
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#370 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:36:26 AM | message detail
So 43 vote gain is still enough for Draven to rise in %
Hopefully he stops rising soon
#371 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:37:28 AM | message detail
That Vivi rally was outside, but it was not overwhelmingly powerful. Draven's rallies are at least 20 times more powerful.
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#372 | Jeal | Posted 9/2/2013 2:38:20 AM | message detail
Draven is no Vivi.
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#373 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 9/2/2013 2:40:12 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
Strange how all these Link fans have appeared out of nowhere to try and help him survive when they seemingly let Mario die against Vivi.


Mario is crap. Vivi is great.
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#374 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:41:15 AM | message detail
Anyone comparing any sort of rally (aside from a succesful /b/ rally) to what happens with Draven is clearly has no idea what they are talking about

Giving a little push to Missingno,L-Block and Vivi that makes them win an otherwise 55-45 match at most can't be compared with this
Draven base strength is not enough to beat Chie,but with rally he can beat Link easily
#375 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:43:45 AM | message detail
5000 votes difference now.Why people say base strength?This doesn't makes sense.Or they mean base strength based on the people that visit Gamefaqs and vote?
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#376 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:44:35 AM | message detail
"Base/natural strength" refers to performances without rallies, yes.
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#377 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:46:59 AM | message detail
Lead over 5000 now.

Link probably still has an hour or two of consistent losses ahead of him.
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#378 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:49:18 AM | message detail
This night vote is so brutal. Link's fallen from 41% to 38%. Draven's lead looks like it will be around 7000 come 8 AM.

Incidentally, that's about the same as L-Block's lead at the start of the morning vote on Link. Link actually managed to cut about 1000 off of L-Block's lead with the morning before L-Block slowly regained it over the rest of the match.
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#379 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:52:08 AM | message detail
Draven's support has always been significantly stronger in Europe, to the extent where it's the dominant voting continent. If Link couldn't hang on with only America voting he's going to get crushed until the second night vote. The day won't help him.
#380 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:53:34 AM | message detail
North America is by far the dominant continent from 2 hours from now until the end of the poll. About 80% of the votes over that time period.
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#381 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:53:57 AM | message detail
Link came pretty close to cutting during the Power Hour. All he needs to do is get back to that level.
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#382 | SnoicFactor | Posted 9/2/2013 2:55:57 AM | message detail | (edited)
red sox 777 posted...
North America is by far the dominant continent from 2 hours from now until the end of the poll. About 80% of the votes over that time period.


Draven is winning California though(by a lot) >_>.. so it won't be that bad.
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#383 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:57:14 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
North America is by far the dominant continent from 2 hours from now until the end of the poll. About 80% of the votes over that time period.


Under normal conditions, not under conditions where the majority of voters are coming from Reddit. Draven even lost the first match to Jak in the US.
#384 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/2/2013 2:58:03 AM | message detail
5:00 AM to 7:30 AM is the time period when Europe is the dominant continent during the poll, but that was for a continent poll that happened on a weekend. That should hold up for this match since it's a US holiday.
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#385 | Lopen | Posted 9/2/2013 2:58:38 AM | message detail
I think it's still a bit too high. Keep in mind Chie + Jak were drawing around 30% in their good updates. Also the percentage of Link + Shep tanking as rallied votes decrease is very telling (and actually the reason I started looking at this)

Frankly I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see Link + Shepard as a unit actually beating Draven in terms of pure legitimate rallied votes, albeit very slightly.

If you assume 800 stuffed votes per 30 the numbers smooth out a lot as vote totals go down. You're left with this, which seems a lot more smoothed out rather than just a decline:

0:05-0:35: 33.4% (4580 approximated rallied votes)
0:35-1:05: 37.9% (2302)
1:05-1:35: 44.9% (2231)
1:35-2:05: 40.9% (1850)
2:05-2:35: 38.7% (1455)
2:35-3:05: 35.5% (1059)
3:05-3:35: 37.5% (843)
3:35-4:05: 39.8% (827)
4:05-4:35: 41.7% (628)
4:35-5:05: 54% (529)

Well outside of that last half hour it looks nicer, anyway. It's probably not completely constant and probably slows as the match goes on based on previous matches.

Draven's probably still cheating, albeit less, but still it's probably too much for Link to ever really make significant headway at any point in the match. I guess during the peak of the day vote you could have Link winning updates by like 80 if you put Draven's floor at ~100 votes but I think Draven's going to be too far to catch at that point.
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#386 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 9/2/2013 2:58:42 AM | message detail
Alas, my one vote for Link did not swing CA
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#387 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:59:06 AM | message detail
Heck even right now Link is only 3% behind Draven in the US, it's Europe that's burying Link and that vote is going to be intensified throughout the next 12 hours.
#388 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 2:59:51 AM | message detail
I don't think Link can catch Draven, I just want to see him start making cuts!
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#389 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:01:13 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
5:00 AM to 7:30 AM is the time period when Europe is the dominant continent during the poll, but that was for a continent poll that happened on a weekend. That should hold up for this match since it's a US holiday.


That's not when the majority of European votes comes it's just the time where the Europe:USA ratio is at its highest.
#390 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:04:14 AM | message detail
While Europe will probably contribute a lot more than its usual 15% this match, the fact remains that the NA/Europe ratio will increase dramatically as the match goes on, beginning in 2 hours or so. If this is all Draven can do when North America is practically all asleep and Link has always been at his worst, Link's got a nonzero chance come daytime.
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#391 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:05:11 AM | message detail
Are you ready to the ASV?!?!
(Well,Europe ASV)
#392 | mikisho | Posted 9/2/2013 3:05:34 AM | message detail
So, what time is generally considered the day vote? Would it basically be noon?
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#393 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/2/2013 3:05:36 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
That's not when the majority of European votes comes it's just the time where the Europe:USA ratio is at its highest.


Trend charts for both continent polls:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdDh2UEllOGhORXZ3emdweXlya2QxZVE

You can see the hours when Europe is getting more votes than North America. That's what I meant when Europe was the dominant continent from 5:00 AM to 7:30 AM.
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#394 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:07:49 AM | message detail | (edited)
Traditionally the Zelda day vote begins at 8 AM and lasts until 6 PM. In recent years the morning vote has started later and later, though it runs later into the evening too. Link wants to be cutting by the 10-11 AM hour.
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#395 | mikisho | Posted 9/2/2013 3:09:48 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Traditionally the Zelda day vote begins at 8 AM and lasts until 6 PM. In recent years the morning vote has started later and later, though it runs later into the evening too. Link wants to be cutting by the 10-11 AM hour.


Ok, thanks. I'm really pumped for this day vote xD It'll basically decide who's going to win this contest.
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#396 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:11:55 AM | message detail
For the pessimistic side, I'll say that while I think Link can use the day vote to cut, I think he's going to be too far behind for it to matter.

...Unless Draven's rally runs out of gas. Then things will become very hilarious very fast.
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#397 | wedgeskywalker9 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:13:08 AM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
For the pessimistic side, I'll say that while I think Link can use the day vote to cut, I think he's going to be too far behind for it to matter.

...Unless Draven's rally runs out of gas. Then things will become very hilarious very fast.


I don't know how much more hilarity we can handle
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#398 | Safer_777 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:13:57 AM | message detail
Where do you see the map?
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#399 | xp1337 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:14:16 AM | message detail
Link putting up cuts that put what Draven did to shame. Shepard cutting Draven.

It would legitimately be one of the funnier things to ever happen.
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#400 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/2/2013 3:15:16 AM | message detail
I think things will get worse for Link until the last few hours.