Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1141

#251 | pjbasis | Posted 9/1/2013 8:02:51 AM | message detail
Rallies don't change the fact that its a pathetic Zard performance and everyone who laughed at him was right
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#252 | Kibago | Posted 9/1/2013 8:02:53 AM | message detail
i'm down for Charizard/Squall next contest.
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#253 | ZFS | Posted 9/1/2013 8:03:03 AM | message detail
I'd take Zelda over Charizard 1v1, for sure, even accounting for rally strength. I don't think this result is something impressive for Charizard, all things considered. Most people didn't even think Zelda would be in it today.
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#254 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:03:18 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
If Zelda has the raw power and SFF chops to beat Bowser, then this isn't even a "fraudulent" result. Everyone knew Charizard's 47% against Mario was inflated; I don't think anyone sincerely took that as the Dragon's base, intrinsic strength. He got the job done and he's still a big favorite next match, and he's now beaten (assuming this result holds) a near-elite from the Mario and Zelda series. If anyone here wants to take him to lose to a non-Nintendo near elite in the next contest, then all I can say is that I question that decision.


You think Zelda is stronger than every single non-Nintendo near-elite in the contest?

That's more surprising than anyone's estimation of Charizard's strength, imho.
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#255 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:05:05 AM | message detail
Also what are we counting as Nintendo because MMX blows Charizard the f*** out as far as I'm concerned
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#256 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 9/1/2013 8:05:39 AM | message detail
Zelda and Charizard can easily perform differently against the non-Nintendo near elites. This is a pure, 100% SFF match and should already be taken with a grain of a salt as a metric for gauging base strength. I can very easily see these two splitting the result against Auron, for example (Zelda losing and Charizard winning). In any case, Charizard will not be dropping matches to the Vincents and Dantes of the world. You've gotta hope he draws Squall or Auron in a night match and hope the rallies don't come. What's the point really.
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#257 | Kibago | Posted 9/1/2013 8:06:02 AM | message detail
there's no 'near' in MMX's elite-ness!
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#258 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 9/1/2013 8:06:19 AM | message detail
I'd take MMX as well, but I've always considered him Noble 9 tier.
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#259 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:06:26 AM | message detail
...that's a really tortured way of saying you believe in rSFF.
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#260 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 9/1/2013 8:08:01 AM | message detail
Sure, why not. SFF matches can be weird.
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#261 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/1/2013 8:08:48 AM | message detail
XIII_rallies posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
*dances*


Dancing because you MADE A RALLY ON REDDIT.

Enjoy your ill gotten win. Ashamed, I am actually ashamed.


Rallying has been a thing since 2002, nothing wrong with it.

It only sucks when the rallied force is so vast it makes the whole thing seem kind of hollow, IE, Draven


You rigged a poll result in your favour! That is just below stuffing in my opinion.
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#262 | shane15 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:08:52 AM | message detail
I'm on a role now 5 correct experts in a row.Going Draven>Link>Toasty! tomorrow.
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#263 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:08:57 AM | message detail
Charizard/Bowser as a legit match? The one that took place on the HG/SS release? Eh. That Charizard had much more in common with the one that put 46.5% on Mario than the one that got 54.5% on Kratos. Hold that match again in round one over 24 hours on a neutral day and I'd bet a fair amount that Bowser would do much better.
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#264 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:10:57 AM | message detail
It's perfectly valid, just an observation! And probably more evidence to throw on the pile for Samus, especially since if rSFF exists between her and Mario there's a good chance it actually matters (as in, Samus beating someone that Mario can't).

Also, Squall at least took the full fury of Pokemon's rallying power and just kept rolling. I can't even remotely justify picking Charizard there anymore, personally.
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#265 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:11:09 AM | message detail
Although with everything from that division bombing, and Mario himself doing badly... maybe those results weren't as weird as we thought! You could argue Big Boss' win was the exception, but he was aided by Ness and the MGSV trailer was probably the biggest "hype" event of E3.
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#266 | Hrezs | Posted 9/1/2013 8:11:25 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
XIII_rallies posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
*dances*


Dancing because you MADE A RALLY ON REDDIT.

Enjoy your ill gotten win. Ashamed, I am actually ashamed.


Rallying has been a thing since 2002, nothing wrong with it.

It only sucks when the rallied force is so vast it makes the whole thing seem kind of hollow, IE, Draven


You rigged a poll result in your favour! That is just below stuffing in my opinion.


I think you meant to say ggwp
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#267 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:13:27 AM | message detail
Draven, the hero we deserve
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#268 | ZFS | Posted 9/1/2013 8:13:52 AM | message detail
Squall would be the perfect character to show that Charizard isn't nearly as strong as people seem to think. Don't think rallies would do anything for him there.
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#269 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:14:27 AM | message detail
Yeah, I'm taking Squall against Charizard if it happened.
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#270 | shane15 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:15:39 AM | message detail
Squall>Red >Vivi
Squall>Samus>Zard

If only the Gods would smile on these happening :(
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#271 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:15:40 AM | message detail
Also my 50/50 Match System seems to be working again! I don't really know what happened in the Vivi match it didn't conform to my system at all. I'm gonna have to revise it or write it off as an oddity or something.
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#272 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:16:21 AM | message detail
http://www.reddit.com/user/XIII_rocks

Some serious cringe material here
#273 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 9/1/2013 8:19:17 AM | message detail
Would you guys still take Squall if Squirtle beats Cloud?
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#274 | ZFS | Posted 9/1/2013 8:20:30 AM | message detail
I expect Squirtle to beat Cloud! Still would take Squall 1v1 against Charizard pretty easy.
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#275 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:20:32 AM | message detail
...Yes.

But I'd start getting nervous probably.
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#276 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:21:51 AM | message detail
Cloud is possibly more vulnerable to Squirtle in my estimation than Squall would be. FF7 incites almost insane lengths in attempts to put them down, which are just exaggerated by the format and pitifully low votals. Obviously it would still function as a reevaluating factor, but for the moment Squall > Charizard seems like a good bet, especially since Charizard would have his bracket advantage fall out from under him after this debacle (a big indicator in 50/50 matches).
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#277 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:22:39 AM | message detail
Has Zelda ever lost to a non NN-er 1v1? Why is she supposed to be weaker than other elites? And how does being equal to Zelda mean you're not an elite yourself?
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#278 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 9/1/2013 8:24:12 AM | message detail
I think people would forget about this match affecting his future bracket advantage if he easily beats Mega Man next round. Few people really considered his bad 2010 match (Kratos) when evaluating this match. If more would have done so, Zelda would have been the easy favorite.
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#279 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:24:55 AM | message detail
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
Has Zelda ever lost to a non NN-er 1v1? Why is she supposed to be weaker than other elites? And how does being equal to Zelda mean you're not an elite yourself?


Lots of people have never lost to a non-NNer 1v1, that's not really an excuse so much as it is favorable bracket placement and/or format. Vincent Valentine would have trounced her in 2007 with or without the format.
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#280 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:25:31 AM | message detail
Has Zelda ever lost to a non NN-er 1v1? Why is she supposed to be weaker than other elites? And how does being equal to Zelda mean you're not an elite yourself?

Apparently the board thought Charizard/Bowser was a more accurate match for Charizard's strength

Though to be fair with the way Pokemon has performed this round it was looking like it was possible.
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#281 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:27:43 AM | message detail
Zero being in the match I expect will temper board expectations, as well as Charizard being humiliated in the semifinals. It's not like people were taking WCC over Luigi en masse after it beat Mega Man.
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#282 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 9/1/2013 8:31:25 AM | message detail
ENORMOUS ZELDA CUT
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#283 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:31:45 AM | message detail
No one cares, Zelda
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#284 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:31:55 AM | message detail
This could be a nail-biter
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#285 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 9/1/2013 8:32:07 AM | message detail
Also I've just been gutpunched with the revelation that my Guru chances stand at about 100-to-1 at best, so DO IT ZELDA.
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#286 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:32:13 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
ENORMOUS ZELDA CUT

it's painful to watch

because it's just not going to work.
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#287 | tgs2 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:33:06 AM | message detail
This doesn't really inspire confidence in either Mewtwo or Link breaking 20% against Draven if this is the best rallying their fanbases can do.
#288 | swordz9 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:33:13 AM | message detail
Get out of here Zelda. Zard's got some winning to do.
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#289 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:36:38 AM | message detail | (edited)
Link can break 20% on Draven! I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't, barring Draven's rally swelling to an even more ridiculous level. I'd be a little surprised if he can't manage 20% in the poll outright!
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#290 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:36:14 AM | message detail
L-Block was here

Charizard is a loser

*bloop* ya later
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#291 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:38:40 AM | message detail
You know, if we count MMX as Nintendo, Crono will be the only non-Nintendo character out of the last 6 characters.

massive standout boost incoming
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#292 | pjbasis | Posted 9/1/2013 8:40:39 AM | message detail
So this is Mario vs Crono V right?

Man the ridiculous things that needed to happen to set this up
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#293 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:40:51 AM | message detail
Mario will SNES SFF MMX and Crono

>_>
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#294 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:41:48 AM | message detail
There should be some pro-Nintendo spillover from the rallying in this match, though nothing too crazy I imagine. Crono's gonna still need to come out swinging to prove he has anything resembling a chance.
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#295 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 9/1/2013 8:42:22 AM | message detail
Wow, consider how amazing this is: Pokemon Trainer Red is probably the biggest lock to reach the Final 9. I'd honestly, no-BS give Kefka a better shot at upsetting Snake than I would at Red somehow dropping his Square SFF gift.
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#296 | swordz9 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:42:52 AM | message detail
Aw so the bonus match really is that dull Mario/Crono/X one? Lame.
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#297 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/1/2013 8:43:11 AM | message detail
Mario/Crono V happening is kind of awesome.

It's a little sad, though. It's a symbol of the "old" contests, when things were simpler and a bit more isolated. The Mario/Crono rivalry is almost a relic. Then, in the next match, we get the ultimate powerhouse of these contests going down to a reddit rally - and that is what these contests are now.
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#298 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 8:43:55 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Aw so the bonus match really is that dull Mario/Crono/X one? Lame.


in case anyone was contemplating taking this guy seriously and missed it
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#299 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:45:12 AM | message detail
Mario/Crono/X is amazing for about ten different reasons.
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#300 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 8:46:17 AM | message detail
Mario/Crono/MMX is the greatest match this contest could have ever hoped to produce!
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