Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1141

#101 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 9/1/2013 4:26:48 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
The only people that think that are the people in this board. If 4chan wants L-Block to win, it probably wins (though its natural strength is likely too low against the likes of Samus and Tifa to pull it off). I don't think 4chan really cares about killing Draven as much as seeing a Tetris block win again.

Also, even if Charizard wins (which is fine with me because it's in my bracket since I expected Zelda to fall hard), it still looks great for Mega Man, and that's what matters to me. I want to see Mega Man come out of nowhere and win this damn thing. And for that to happen, Link must fall.


I would bet against Megaman in that match even if it was Zelda in Charizard's place. Both are strong, and Mega is in a really bad position here. Look what SFF did to Mario.
#102 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/1/2013 4:29:19 AM | message detail
ah, I seem to have completely forgotten that contest.

Not_Wylvane posted...
The only people that think that are the people in this board. If 4chan wants L-Block to win, it probably wins (though its natural strength is likely too low against the likes of Samus and Tifa to pull it off). I don't think 4chan really cares about killing Draven as much as seeing a Tetris block win again.


That's not true at all, the only thing that would really unite 4chan in a cause is stopping Reddit doing something that is effectively seen as a game /v/ started. You can be sure /v/ will be backing someone in the final if Draven is there.
Nothing will happen for L-Block, the last rally worked because nobody liked Auron (edgy and childish) or Ezio (casual crap) and wanted to give them the ignominy of losing to a tetris block. Samus and Tifa are hentai idols without much in their character to dislike. A rally would just split votes to the point of having no impact.
#103 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/1/2013 4:31:22 AM | message detail
I think it would be possible to rally for L-Block next round if you can convince 4chan it is for the purpose of stopping Reddit from getting Draven to win the contest.
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#104 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/1/2013 4:39:05 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
I think it would be possible to rally for L-Block next round if you can convince 4chan it is for the purpose of stopping Reddit from getting Draven to win the contest.


For me personally I put too much effort into L-Block and Vivi before that I just want a break from it all, it was draining for 12 hours and it'd be a pretty unhealthy effort to try it for 24. I'll do something for the final if Draven is there but not until then.
I don't really see someone bothering to put in the pre-preparation and keep it going for an entire day for something like L-Block.
#105 | raytan7585 | Posted 9/1/2013 4:52:57 AM | message detail
Wait, will there be a bonus match after this match or just straight to R3?
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#106 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/1/2013 4:53:42 AM | message detail
There will be a bonus match right after this match.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5252
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#107 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/1/2013 4:57:45 AM | message detail
Oh damn it I was not ready for this
None of my users I created are saved on my phone so I had to create new ones and
Marilland is totally unuseable on mobile
Serebii doesnt send activation mail
Due to how easy it is to create users in Reddit,I had to come up with random numbers on my usernames I created,and I don't have them saved here

Getting home half hour before this match ends so I will try last minute rallying but damn it
Can someone at least post in Serebii?
#108 | Jump_Man7 | Posted 9/1/2013 5:11:03 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Oh damn it I was not ready for this
None of my users I created are saved on my phone so I had to create new ones and
Marilland is totally unuseable on mobile
Serebii doesnt send activation mail
Due to how easy it is to create users in Reddit,I had to come up with random numbers on my usernames I created,and I don't have them saved here

Getting home half hour before this match ends so I will try last minute rallying but damn it
Can someone at least post in Serebii?


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#109 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/1/2013 5:18:44 AM | message detail | (edited)
Charizard continues to win the early morning vote, by the way. Good for my - and everyone else's - expert, but win or lose he's been horribly exposed and no one will take him too seriously anymore.
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#110 | Jump_Man7 | Posted 9/1/2013 5:20:56 AM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
Charizard continues to win the early morning vote, by the way. Good for my - and everyone else's - expert, but win or lose he's been horribly exposed and no one will take him too seriously anymore.


he'd still have enough strength to knock off a royally screwed Mega Man and make top nine which is way better than what I had hoped for

I mean, sure he'd screw Red over big time but whatevs
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#111 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/1/2013 5:22:57 AM | message detail
Jump_Man7 posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Oh damn it I was not ready for this
None of my users I created are saved on my phone so I had to create new ones and
Marilland is totally unuseable on mobile
Serebii doesnt send activation mail
Due to how easy it is to create users in Reddit,I had to come up with random numbers on my usernames I created,and I don't have them saved here

Getting home half hour before this match ends so I will try last minute rallying but damn it
Can someone at least post in Serebii?


k


tldr was "please rally in Serebii I can't do it thanks"
#112 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 5:27:30 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
Huh, I thought this match would be close before the contest but after watching all those Pokemon victories and seeing Zelda get a WW pic I gave up hope. Good show, Zelda! She hasn't had a big win in a very long time.

Though this isn't done just yet. Charizard is stomping in the UK so it's possible he'll cut in the next couple of hours. Zelda's morning vote should keep her safe though.


More like she's NEVER had a big win. Her breaking 45% on (pre-Brawl announcement) Snake and Samus in back-to-back years, her deep run in the female bracket, and her holding up to Mario in 2008 have all made her near-elite status seem legit, but none of that was all that huge.

I actually had a theory that this might be Wind Waker nostalgia boosting all the Zelda characters (which also helps to explain Ganon leeching Mario to death). I would seriously take Wind Waker over Twilight Princess if a games contest is held now. Heck, Wind Waker already won that match in a poll held shortly after Game of the Decade, though I guess there's a possibility that Twilight Princess was hurt more by Ocarina of Time/A Link to the Past/Majora's Mask.
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#113 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 5:31:51 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
People are probably forgetting that Zelda was the one aspect of the series that came across very well in Skyward Sword.


Huh? I hear mostly bad about Zelda's portrayal in Skyward Sword. She's a kidnapped damsel-in-distress for like 90% of the game from what I've heard. That sounds like such a huge step back after Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker (and for some reason I'm tempted to put Twilight Princess in the same vein as those two).

Then again I mostly hear Skyward Sword described as the black sheep of 3D Zelda. Dunno.
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#114 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/1/2013 5:33:09 AM | message detail
Zelda's characterisation was very strong in WW, it's not inconsistent logic to believe that WW hurts Link and helps Zelda.
#115 | vcharon | Posted 9/1/2013 5:33:36 AM | message detail
4chan is ancient history, their impact on matches is small and they can only affect matches that would already be close (a couple thousand). They are no match for Reddit and Draven; no one is.
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#116 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 5:34:53 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
If the trends go like they did in MM/GSC then Zelda should fall for a bit yet before coming on strong in the last three hours or so of the poll. There's been some weird morning votes this contest though so I wouldn't count Charizard out.


That's another thing. Majora's Mask and Wind Waker are both talked about a lot more now than they were during the time the last character battle took place, and that's the only explanation I can think of for Majora's Mask boosting between games contests and Wind Waker beating Twilight Princess in the favorite Zelda game poll (despite being SFFd by the same game in many a previous poll). I think those games have grown in popularity, and with them, their characters.

The end result is a net boost for Link and co., as if we needed it.
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#117 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/1/2013 5:35:57 AM | message detail
Pfft and Zelda running off again
#118 | Denzokuken | Posted 9/1/2013 5:36:37 AM | message detail
I know... just as I posted that Charizard could win, Zelda makes straight gains.
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#119 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 5:37:44 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
ah, I seem to have completely forgotten that contest.

Not_Wylvane posted...
The only people that think that are the people in this board. If 4chan wants L-Block to win, it probably wins (though its natural strength is likely too low against the likes of Samus and Tifa to pull it off). I don't think 4chan really cares about killing Draven as much as seeing a Tetris block win again.


That's not true at all, the only thing that would really unite 4chan in a cause is stopping Reddit doing something that is effectively seen as a game /v/ started. You can be sure /v/ will be backing someone in the final if Draven is there.
Nothing will happen for L-Block, the last rally worked because nobody liked Auron (edgy and childish) or Ezio (casual crap) and wanted to give them the ignominy of losing to a tetris block. Samus and Tifa are hentai idols without much in their character to dislike. A rally would just split votes to the point of having no impact.


WHAT? I never hear anything bad about Auron or Ezio. I hear way more bad about Tifa, and Samus is coming off of a game that destroyed her character (to most, I personally don't get it but that's just me).
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#120 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/1/2013 5:39:49 AM | message detail
Wind Waker getting love suddenly is not a surprise
We see this alot
FFIX was considered terrible but now alot of people love it
Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire too,everyone wanted too see a RS remake

I just hope that Sunshine will never be considered a good classic though,game sucks
#121 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 5:43:34 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
Zelda's characterisation was very strong in WW, it's not inconsistent logic to believe that WW hurts Link and helps Zelda.


Link's characterization is also very strong in Wind Waker though (stronger than in other Zelda games at least!). That being said, the Wind Waker pic did not seem to hurt Link in his match. That is, unless you think allowing Raiden to match Alucard's percent a round after he got only 55% on Waluigi is a mark of weakness. Considering how Raiden is coming off of receiving his very own spin-off game however, it makes way more sense to believe that Raiden simply boosted. On the other hand, part of me does feel that Raiden did not boost at all from Rising, and Senator Armstrong's horrendous performance doesn't help matters. Rising also didn't sell anywhere near as well as Raiden's other games, so Raiden's mainstream image is still that of a "whiny b****" in MGS2/4 (again something I don't understand).

...ye gods, I must be awfully good at liking characters that get a lot of hate. First Raiden in MGS2, now Samus in Other M. And the worst part is, I don't understand either at all. Maybe I just like whiny characters. I don't get the hate for Cloud/Sephiroth either and I feel that they deserve to do well, although I like other FFVII characters more than those two (Aeris > Vincent > Tifa > Sephiroth > Cloud > no idea on the rest).
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#122 | StarStormScream | Posted 9/1/2013 5:45:05 AM | message detail
lightning-02 posted...
Zelda's characterisation was very strong in WW, it's not inconsistent logic to believe that WW hurts Link and helps Zelda.


That's why I question everyone calling this pic 'sabotage'. I'm no Zelda buff, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are the only Zelda's I manage to play start to finish. And Tetra-Zelda was a very fun character for me anyways. I may play WW again sometime soon just thinking about it.
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#123 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 5:53:01 AM | message detail | (edited)
Nanis23 posted...
Wind Waker getting love suddenly is not a surprise
We see this alot
FFIX was considered terrible but now alot of people love it
Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire too,everyone wanted too see a RS remake

I just hope that Sunshine will never be considered a good classic though,game sucks


WTF no Sunshine is awesome. Not that much worse than other Mario games.

Though I don't know, I have beaten the game before but never actually had an opinion on it. The problem is that whenever I watch footage of the game nowadays I feel that I'd like it a lot. Yesterday in particular was bad - I was playing Super Mario World for two hours and then right after rabbidluigi uploaded another part of his LP of Sunshine, allowing me to make comparisons. I also feel EXACTLY the same way about Star Fox: Assault.

Seeing how I'm enjoying Metroid: Other M (and Wind Waker, for that matter) so much now, I'm also comfortable in knowing it wouldn't be the first time I'd disagree on a Nintendo game widely considered to be the "worst in the series". Though that being said, Other M just really gives me the vibe that no one wanted to like it. Seriously feels like DmC all over again (and it just gets worse since Other M predates DmC by over two years).

Otherwise I agree that Wind Waker getting love "suddenly" is not a surprise. I even noted that the exact same thing happened with Majora's Mask. Heck, the same thing happened with Metal Gear Solid 2. Even with Final Fantasy VIII and Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts to a lesser extent.
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#124 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 5:50:35 AM | message detail
StarStormScream posted...
lightning-02 posted...
Zelda's characterisation was very strong in WW, it's not inconsistent logic to believe that WW hurts Link and helps Zelda.


That's why I question everyone calling this pic 'sabotage'. I'm no Zelda buff, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are the only Zelda's I manage to play start to finish. And Tetra-Zelda was a very fun character for me anyways. I may play WW again sometime soon just thinking about it.


Hey man the HD remake is coming out soon.
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#125 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 9/1/2013 5:55:59 AM | message detail
20+ votes Charizard cut D=.
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#126 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 9/1/2013 5:56:16 AM | message detail
Them Pokemon kiddies waking up
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#127 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/1/2013 5:59:22 AM | message detail
As long as Charizard keeps this close, the Pokemon clutch should bail Charizard out.
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#128 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:02:52 AM | message detail
Samus/Red/Zelda has a lot more upset potential than double pokemon, it's in the contests best interests that Charizard fails.
#129 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:05:48 AM | message detail
Ugh, Zelda really needs to start building her lead back up to hold out here. I absolutely do not trust her if it's close at the end.
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#130 | Zylothewolf | Posted 9/1/2013 6:06:12 AM | message detail
How can Charizard be so close to Zelda when almost the whole world supports Zelda?
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#131 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:06:15 AM | message detail
That was a good start!
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#132 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/1/2013 6:07:37 AM | message detail | (edited)
LinkMarioSamus posted...
lightning-02 posted...
People are probably forgetting that Zelda was the one aspect of the series that came across very well in Skyward Sword.


Huh? I hear mostly bad about Zelda's portrayal in Skyward Sword. She's a kidnapped damsel-in-distress for like 90% of the game from what I've heard. That sounds like such a huge step back after Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker (and for some reason I'm tempted to put Twilight Princess in the same vein as those two).

Then again I mostly hear Skyward Sword described as the black sheep of 3D Zelda. Dunno.


What.

I'm guessing you have heard nothing about SS and are just BSing. Zelda's portrayal in that game is one of the most universally praised things about it, and I'm sure that's being represented here.

Also, you're dead wrong because Zelda is not kidnapped in Skyward Sword. She has her own quest that she accomplishes as well as Link does his, in fact she comes across as just, if not more capable than Link. You clearly know nothing about the game's story, so please don't post without checking your facts first. It's not even opinion, you're flat out wrong.
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#133 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:07:38 AM | message detail
Zylothewolf posted...
How can Charizard be so close to Zelda when almost the whole world supports Zelda?

The parts of the world that support Zelda (like the entire Western Hemisphere) tend to have her not too far ahead of Charizard. Meanwhile, Europe seems to be favoring Charizard at a much greater margin.
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#134 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:10:39 AM | message detail
After sleeping on it the results make sense even with all the Pokemon overperformances. The "overperformances" pretty much placed them as near-elites and since Zelda is a near-elite she still had a chance at winning the match.
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#135 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:12:27 AM | message detail
How are people feeling about Mewtwo > Sonic and Squirtle > Cloud after this? They always seemed like ridiculous predictions
#136 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/1/2013 6:13:22 AM | message detail
I'm just surprised that people thought that Zelda would get SFF'd more than Pokémon. NOTHING out-SFFs Zelda. Pokémon is probably number two on the SFF priority tier, but still, Zelda is the biggest SFF force on the site.
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#137 | LinkLegend27 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:18:36 AM | message detail
Woooo my signature upset pick of the contest actually worked! GO ZELDA
#138 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/1/2013 6:19:36 AM | message detail | (edited)
Mewtwo>Sonic could happen, Sonic's pretty dependent on Nintendo. Squirtle vs. Cloud, if Cloud and Dante are consistent Cloud should win NARROWLY. I think Squirtle will wreck face for the first few hours at least. This doesn't reflect badly on Charizard though. Going up against Zelda in a SFF match will not end well for you.
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#139 | xp1337 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:20:55 AM | message detail
Morning vote apparently just arrived.
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#140 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 6:21:06 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
After sleeping on it the results make sense even with all the Pokemon overperformances. The "overperformances" pretty much placed them as near-elites and since Zelda is a near-elite she still had a chance at winning the match.


I thought it was established last contest that Zelda had lost her near-elite status. Plus, she has never done anything to show it. She's never gotten a huge upset win or anything. Prior to now, the strongest character she had beaten was either Vivi, Yuna, or Knuckles. Those characters aren't exactly bastions of strength.
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#141 | Nanis23 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:21:42 AM | message detail
And boom,jumped back to 100+
If Charizard can't beat Zelda,Red got no chance against Samus
#142 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 6:22:34 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
lightning-02 posted...
People are probably forgetting that Zelda was the one aspect of the series that came across very well in Skyward Sword.


Huh? I hear mostly bad about Zelda's portrayal in Skyward Sword. She's a kidnapped damsel-in-distress for like 90% of the game from what I've heard. That sounds like such a huge step back after Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker (and for some reason I'm tempted to put Twilight Princess in the same vein as those two).

Then again I mostly hear Skyward Sword described as the black sheep of 3D Zelda. Dunno.


What.

I'm guessing you have heard nothing about SS and are just BSing. Zelda's portrayal in that game is one of the most universally praised things about it, and I'm sure that's being represented here.

Also, you're dead wrong because Zelda is not kidnapped in Skyward Sword. She has her own quest that she accomplishes as well as Link does his, in fact she comes across as just, if not more capable than Link. You clearly know nothing about the game's story, so please don't post without checking your facts first. It's not even opinion, you're flat out wrong.


Fine, I'll admit that I'm basing most of my "I heard mostly this about Skyward Sword" on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wuV-jmhInU

That being said, both of these guys share the same favorite Zelda and it's...Wind Waker. Ulti is going to kill all three of us.
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#143 | RockMFR | Posted 9/1/2013 6:24:01 AM | message detail
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#144 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/1/2013 6:25:17 AM | message detail
DKCR boost!
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#145 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 9/1/2013 6:26:20 AM | message detail
LMS, have you considered not basing your opinions on those of random people on the Internet and actually playing the game?
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#146 | charmander6000 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:30:37 AM | message detail
I thought it was established last contest that Zelda had lost her near-elite status. Plus, she has never done anything to show it. She's never gotten a huge upset win or anything. Prior to now, the strongest character she had beaten was either Vivi, Yuna, or Knuckles. Those characters aren't exactly bastions of strength.

Her performance against Samus was quite clear that she is one.
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#147 | lightning-02 | Posted 9/1/2013 6:32:10 AM | message detail
Lightning Strikes posted...
Mewtwo>Sonic could happen, Sonic's pretty dependent on Nintendo. Squirtle vs. Cloud, if Cloud and Dante are consistent Cloud should win NARROWLY. I think Squirtle will wreck face for the first few hours at least. This doesn't reflect badly on Charizard though. Going up against Zelda in a SFF match will not end well for you.


Why would Dante be consistent when his series laid one of the biggest turds ever seen in the industry between this and the last contest?
And if Sonic is kind of dependent on Nintendo, Mewtwo is totally dependent. I would think this poll with Donkey Kong not really being a clear drain to anyone would quash the myth of Pokemon being independent from Nintendo. The notion of Bowser overlapping more with Sonic was the only reason people were talking about a Mewtwo upset.
#148 | RockMFR | Posted 9/1/2013 6:34:20 AM | message detail
Zelda played the Song of Storms.

Charizard died!
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#149 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 9/1/2013 6:34:42 AM | message detail
You know who really missed the boat this year? Jecht.

Zelda, Phoenix, and Ratchet all looked good this year and even Ezio didn't look too bad against Auron. Compare that to Charizard's opposition looking collectively terrible this year.
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#150 | FantomXD | Posted 9/1/2013 6:46:14 AM | message detail | (edited)
I'm quite happy with Zelda winning. People were hyping Charizard waaaaaay too much.

Zelda's pic is very good, btw. The cartoony style stands out very well and is really pretty.
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