Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1141

#1 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/31/2013 11:08:33 PM | message detail
IT

ALWAYS

WINS

(until it doesn't)

~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
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~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
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~*List of All Polls (a search bar is at the bottom)*~
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~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
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~*GameFAQs Contests Hall of Fame*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GameFAQs_Contests_Hall_of_Fame
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~*Character Contest Histories*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the Match Pics*~
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/index.php

~*Leonhart4's Trend Charts*~
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?hl=en&key=tOGmynfNIiNy5VukpEF-PdA&hl=en#gid=0

~*Daily Vote Trends - An Explanation for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Daily_Vote_Trends

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | The Real Truth | Posted 8/31/2013 11:09:15 PM | message detail
SQUALL
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#3 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 11:23:13 PM | message detail
And before Kingdom Hearts, Squall really wasn't that great! Make Vivi the single-most important FF character in Kingdom Hearts, and we'll see how he does after that.
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#4 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:23:25 PM | message detail
alright apparently I'm the only one who was slow on the uptake in ignoring SnoicFactor so rectifying that now
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#5 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/31/2013 11:23:26 PM | message detail
lol Charizard
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#6 | Janus5000 | Posted 8/31/2013 11:24:12 PM | message detail
can't wait for Charizard to come back and have no Zelda entities win their division

first time that's happened since 2005!
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#7 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 11:24:15 PM | message detail
this squall vivi infighting will just make way for the Pokemon
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#8 | Sorozone | Posted 8/31/2013 11:24:23 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
alright apparently I'm the only one who was slow on the uptake in ignoring SnoicFactor so rectifying that now


I'm glad that he knows to keep us updated, after every update.
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#9 | SnoicFactor | Posted 8/31/2013 11:24:24 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
alright apparently I'm the only one who was slow on the uptake in ignoring SnoicFactor so rectifying that now


so im ignored for posting opinion? k
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#10 | SnoicFactor | Posted 8/31/2013 11:24:41 PM | message detail
Sorozone posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
alright apparently I'm the only one who was slow on the uptake in ignoring SnoicFactor so rectifying that now


I'm glad that he knows to keep us updated, after every update.


i went 1 hour without posting, really?
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#11 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 11:25:00 PM | message detail
Also, I might be wrong, been a while, but the morning should decidedly favor Zelda, right? I feel that's how it used to be.
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#12 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 11:25:44 PM | message detail
Man, that reminds me of how excited I was for Vivi's KH2 appearance. That was an absolute catastrophe.
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#13 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:25:52 PM | message detail
Sorozone posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
alright apparently I'm the only one who was slow on the uptake in ignoring SnoicFactor so rectifying that now


I'm glad that he knows to keep us updated, after every update.


gain
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#14 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/31/2013 11:25:57 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
And before Kingdom Hearts, Squall really wasn't that great! Make Vivi the single-most important FF character in Kingdom Hearts, and we'll see how he does after that.


Eh, Squall didn't really get a chance to show his stuff in the first contest. A first round match against Snake isn't a favorable position for him to do well in.

Not that there's any way to prove it now or anything, but yeah. Squall is still probably about as strong relative to the next strongest character in his game than just about anybody in the contest. Definitely more true now than it was in 2002, but there was probably still a big gap even then.
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#15 | Sorozone | Posted 8/31/2013 11:27:16 PM | message detail
Just saying Snoic. People call matches within the first few seconds of matches all the time. Some are right, some are wrong. Who cares if people call the match within the first 10 minutes.
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#16 | SnoicFactor | Posted 8/31/2013 11:27:57 PM | message detail
ok, but i was only posting update because it is the midst of a comeback. not just for giggles. calm down
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#17 | anondum | Posted 8/31/2013 11:29:12 PM | message detail
the fact is charizard is lame

always has been always will be
#18 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:32:19 PM | message detail
The knives come out for the sexy fire starter! Flopping begets tearing down, it seems.
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#19 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/31/2013 11:32:39 PM | message detail
#20 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 11:32:53 PM | message detail
ZELDA
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#21 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/31/2013 11:33:39 PM | message detail
LINK
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#22 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:34:52 PM | message detail
So, looking ahead slightly... Mario/Crono/MMX. Do we really think we might see some fireworks?
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#23 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 11:34:57 PM | message detail
The bonus poll should be fun. Any result just raises questions.

If Mario wins, how in the world did he lose to Vivi?
If Crono wins, how in the world did he lose to Pikachu?
If X wins, what in the world is up with this Noble Nine?
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#24 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 11:36:39 PM | message detail
Well, if Crono wins, he probably took advantage of whatever split happens between Mario/MMX. If MMX wins I don't know.
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#25 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/31/2013 11:37:40 PM | message detail
If Crono wins, people make excuses for Mario for another year...!
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#26 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:38:35 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Well, if Crono wins, he probably took advantage of whatever split happens between Mario/MMX. If MMX wins I don't know.


How much would you expect that split would be, though? Percentages can mean a lot. Also it's a day match, which you'd expect to favor Mario over both of these guys really heavily.

...just like with Vivi!
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#27 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/31/2013 11:38:43 PM | message detail
I'm telling you. MMX will come out on top and Red will look the strongest Pokemon character, finally shutting up people who say monsters > trainers.
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#28 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 11:39:04 PM | message detail
Excuses you say

Mario's gonna win even with a handicap Crono is doomed
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#29 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/31/2013 11:39:32 PM | message detail
If Mario kills them both

EVERYONE IS OVERRATED
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#30 | Wanglicious | Posted 8/31/2013 11:40:28 PM | message detail
you could argue that X would be able to SFF both Mario and Crono due to his ties on the SNES.

alternatively, that both will kill him.
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#31 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 11:41:24 PM | message detail
I don't think it'll be very significant, but Crono seems like a beneficiary in this setup. After this round, I'm not gonna pretend to have the inside track here, though. GameFAQs could go any way they want at this point, doesn't seem based in much reason, until we try to come up with some!
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#32 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/31/2013 11:43:39 PM | message detail
Mario will kill them both and then we'll see that Vivi is stronger than most of the Noble Nine.
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#33 | PegasusLover123 | Posted 8/31/2013 11:44:03 PM | message detail
So if Zelda defeats Charizard here would it meant more trouble for Mega Man?
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#34 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:44:03 PM | message detail
Oh, btw, I'd expect the split for MMX's votes to favor Mario over Crono 60/40, and the day match to favor Mario... 3% compared to a 24-hour vis-a-vis Crono? Take that as you will.
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#35 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/31/2013 11:44:21 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
Mario will kill them both and then we'll see that Vivi is stronger than most of the Noble Nine.


It's possible.

This contest was supposed to be a tribute to the Noble Nine, but it's become their funeral dirge instead.
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#36 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/31/2013 11:45:58 PM | message detail
I think debating overlap in the bonus match is silly. All three of them have significant overlap with each other and I'm betting most of the site has played all three of their games, and they all have significant ties to the 16-bit era. If anything, Mario being the only one relevant outside of that era has to given him the advantage.
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#37 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/31/2013 11:48:27 PM | message detail
Everyone has overlap with everyone, yes. It's just a matter of whether it favors one character proportionately over the other.
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#38 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 11:49:18 PM | message detail
Mario's 'relevance' pretty much amounts to nothing here. GameFAQs and modern Mario aren't best friends.

I do think Mario wins tomorrow. Don't think it means anything, stat-wise, but I would think that even a weaker Mario can handle Crono and MMX, regardless. But then, Vivi.
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#39 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:50:16 PM | message detail
Well, we already know Mega Man gets Nintendo SFFed all the time. I understand Crono has similar ties, but there's no denying he's more independent than Mega Man (and X, presumably). Even at his lowest levels there's no f***ing way Crono gets blasted to less than 33% of the vote against Link.
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#40 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/31/2013 11:53:39 PM | message detail
I think X is probably a bit more independent than Mega Man (and it didn't look like Mario SFF'd Mega Man last time they met either) since he has a presence beyond Nintendo (although I doubt the PS games have a high play rate here).
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#41 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/31/2013 11:56:26 PM | message detail
200 votes and not slowing down. Charizard's dead and I can go to sleep now.
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#42 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 11:56:46 PM | message detail
I would guess most people didn't even play MMX games after 3, so he's still probably pretty heavily associated with Nintendo more than not. Two SNES platforming characters strike me as having more noticeable overlap versus the Square RPG guy.
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#43 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:57:05 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I think X is probably a bit more independent than Mega Man (and it didn't look like Mario SFF'd Mega Man last time they met either) since he has a presence beyond Nintendo (although I doubt the PS games have a high play rate here).


Eh, MMX still got blasted last contest. It's just that Link was much weaker back then. As for Mario... I think he did SFF Mega Man last contest, at least a bit. His strength was just somewhat obscured by that SFF.
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#44 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 11:58:57 PM | message detail
But don't get me wrong, I only expect MMX's votes to favor Mario, like, 60/40 or thereabouts. The day match will arguably hurt Crono just as much as MMX helps. If Crono can actually pull the miracle and beat Mario he's got a solid argument for being stronger than him 1v1 this year.
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#45 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/31/2013 11:59:29 PM | message detail
*Votes in the match*

*Looks at poll*

...Well, how about that? This truly is the Chaos Contest. Can't say I saw this coming, but I can't say I'm disappointed either! Now if only Zelda manages to hold...and if only this spells horrible things for Red come Round 3...
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#46 | ZFS | Posted 9/1/2013 12:01:40 AM | message detail
If Mario has dropped off that much, I'd wonder about other Mario characters.
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#47 | KamikazePotato | Posted 9/1/2013 12:02:04 AM | message detail
It's the Year of Luigi, not the Year of Mario!
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#48 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 9/1/2013 12:05:37 AM | message detail
I just realized that you can sort the Battle Calendar page by time zone.

...Is that new or did I literally miss it the entire time?
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#49 | Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2013 12:06:00 AM | message detail
Well, I expect Mario to win. If he comes close to dropping it or actually loses that *does* make other Mario characters look bad. And yes, that includes Big Boss, but that is perhaps to be expected. If Mario was pegged too high in 2010 that means BB was pegged too high back then as well. He probably had to catch a nice MGSV hype boost in that case just to be competitive with Luigi.
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#50 | ZFS | Posted 9/1/2013 12:06:57 AM | message detail
Luigi > Mario finally became a thing CBIX
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