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Scarlettail posted... Wanglicious posted...it's not like Zelda's night vote is that good normally. rallies for 'zard are part of his strength really. still, it shouldn't be this close unless something's terribly wrong with the belief that Pokemon is highly resistant to SFF. what's the worst that Pokemon has faced? Charizard with the Bowser/Mario combo? the game of the decade matches? Mario SFFs most Nintendo, but it's possible that he couldn't do it to Pokemon and that's just even. Pokemon mooching from other series more would explain some results too (there was a Ness match somewhere, right?). but Zelda series trumps all Nintendo on this scale. Zelda > Mario = Pokemon > The rest, makes sense? right, that would fit in line with the fact that Link schooled Mario 65-35 too. this being close would be another example of Zelda series being king of SFF. <_<; which kinda puts the 55-45 win MM had against GSC into perspective. if it mooched off 3% of voters in that fight, GSC could've won it after all. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. |
ChenKenichiFan posted... Wait, Charizard's only down by 100? This is still anyone's game. Jury's still kinda out on rSFF, but I'll fear it enough to take her over all three right now. Even though I think she'd lose to Big Boss. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
ChenKenichiFan posted... Wait, Charizard's only down by 100? This is still anyone's game. I don't think she beats Luigi...would take her over Yoshi...not sure about Bowser. Zelda the slight favorite maybe? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
I
posted most of this theory a few days back but Charizard being exposed
as a fraud (whether he wins or loses) makes it look better. Basically, the idea is that Mortal Kombat and Kingdom Hearts have both dropped since 2010, the latter by massive amounts, and Bowser's not really a near-elite and hasn't been since 2006 at the latest. Evidence: -Riku got doubled by Charizard, who has now been exposed. -Though it was about what we expected, Sora looked fairly bad getting 57.2% on Scorpion. And then they both looked bad when Sora only got 61% on Gilgamesh. -Sub-Zero let Garrus get 45% on him, which looked good at the time for Garrus. Yet Shepard > Aeris doesn't look very impressive after what else Final Fantasy VII has done this contest, and Wrex didn't end up looking good at all. To say nothing of Mordin! -Sub-Zero almost lost to The Boss in a day match. Sub-Zero/Bowser looking sort of normal is not a good excuse, because: -Bowser sucked in both fourway contests, and the only opponent he looked good against in 2010 was Sora. But Kingdom Hearts sucked that year too, just not as badly as this year. Bowser has excuses for losing to Fraudzard with Release Day Factor and the bandwagon probably having already begun but 45.3% on Charizard cannot possibly be spun as a good result for him at this point. I don't think Charizard looking bad here reflects on pokemon in general, though. We all saw what they did this contest. He just looks basically the same as the other strong pokemon here. Pikachu might not actually beat Sora since Blue's there, but Sora is probably going to look real bad that match regardless. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
Zelda
> Luigi is my gut reaction and i don't know why. Luigi just seems to
be the kind of guy who people would drop the second a bigger name
character comes along. no idea on Bowser. PRINCESS REVENGE or PRINCESS
GETS KIDNAPPED maybe. Yoshi... has a very dedicated fanbase to the point
where i could see him do better than Luigi (but still lose). --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. |
After this debacle, I'd say turd of the round has Charizard's name all over it. --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Karma Hunter posted... ChenKenichiFan posted...Wait, Charizard's only down by 100? This is still anyone's game. I really don't think she'd beat Luigi. But you really take her to beat Luigi but lose to Big Boss?? I'm extremely skeptical on this being some sort of rSFF, considering everything we've seen this contest Zard was a fraud, that's the easiest explanation and the most obvious. The signs were there. I expected Zard to win this, but I never agreed with those giving her no shot. I thought the Zard=fraud odds were small, but non-trivial. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Wait what,Charizard is losing? I admit this is the first time I was wrong about a Pokemon match Charizard had everything going to it- Pokemon dominated the round,Zelda got WW pic and DK to leech her But maybe Pokemon dominating may be the problem,as it gets anti votes and revenge votes It sounds like a loser excuse but I can't think of other reason |
If
Zelda can get even a slight SFF edge against a slightly nominally
stronger opponent, she's liable to beat them. I can't rule that out. I
don't think Big Boss would crush her or anything, much as I'd like, but a
close 51/49 win for him might translate into a close 51/49 loss for
Luigi. Or something. Who knows. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
WW isn't hated anymore so a WW pic wouldn't be a negative. considering the timing, a WW pic is arguably a positive really. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. |
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Nanis23 posted... Wait what,Charizard is losing? It is Zelda here. Charizard was probably given too much credit because of other Pokemon when this match, on its face, does look like a close one. |
Meh, Charizard is done. |
Nanis23 posted... Wait what,Charizard is losing? There's a million other explanations, just look at all the Zard=fraud data. We just ignored it because of stuff like Squirtle beasting and Pikachu doing very well. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
spooky96 posted... Meh, Charizard is done. Way too early to call this. --- XBL Gamertag - Tiirshak |
Fayt_Esteed posted... After this debacle, I'd say turd of the round has Charizard's name all over it. I'd vote for Mario first. --- Every day the rest of your life is changed forever. |
This
match is barely 51/49. I still consider Zelda a slight dog here, though
I'll admit Vivi's win has shaken my faith in my once unimpeachable
50/50 Match System. :/ --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
I'm starting to think this is the effect of Pokemon overexposure. It's made voters forget the LAW, and just like in GotD they're going "Hey let's give it to Zelda! Those guys never win!" --- Hey, its that SuperNiceDog! Congrats to the Guru 2011 winner |
What is most perplexing now, though... is Samus/Zelda II. Samus SFFed the bajeezus out of Zelda. SAMUS! That's really giving me pause on postulating any rSFF. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Julian_Caesar posted... Fayt_Esteed posted...After this debacle, I'd say turd of the round has Charizard's name all over it. Mario at least was being leeched by Ganondorf. What excuses does Charizard have? None! --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Wanglicious posted... WW isn't hated anymore so a WW pic wouldn't be a negative. considering the timing, a WW pic is arguably a positive really. It's definitely not a positive. It's probably neutral. An Ocarina of TIme pic would have been best, but probably only meant a minor boost...I mean it's Zelda, the pic shouldn't affect her much unless it's just awful. Or maybe if it was Sheik. Though I actually don't think that would affect her much either, but who knows for sure. It's unclear if that would be a positive or negative too (I lean towards negative but wouldn't be surprised if it boosted her, Sheik does have the badass factor, which is like the total opposite of suit Samus/ZSS). Julian_Caesar posted... Fayt_Esteed posted...After this debacle, I'd say turd of the round has Charizard's name all over it. Me too. There was talk of Charizard maybe being a fraud, and there were people considering Zelda here. No one sane ever entertained the thought of Vivi>Mario. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Yeah Charizard for turd of the round. The hated rat could beat Crono while the series' paragon of badassery can't even beat Zelda? Badass decline confirmed. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Badass Decline Factorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Mario
doesn't have an excuse. He's projected to crush Vivi in every set of
stats there's ever been. If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes,
then he still gets as much against Vivi as Kirby did in 2010. It was
also in a day match, and FF9 historically has one of the worst day votes
there is. Rally or not, it may be the single most surprising result
there's ever been in a contest. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Fayt_Esteed posted... Julian_Caesar posted...Fayt_Esteed posted...After this debacle, I'd say turd of the round has Charizard's name all over it. So Mario being leeched by Ganon is an excuse, but Charizard losing to Zelda...isn't one??? You do realize that Ganon and Zelda are from the same series, right? And that Zelda is absolutely stronger than Ganon, contest-wise? If Ganon was strong enough to leech Mario, then that means Zelda is easily strong enough to "leech" from Charizard....or in this case, get more votes. Unless you're saying you expected Charizard to be stronger than Mario, then the "Ganon leech" excuse isn't a good one. At least, not for saying Mario was less of a turd than Charizard. --- Every day the rest of your life is changed forever. |
Zelda
with her largest lead of the match again after Charizard's frantic push
earlier; must have been a quick dying rally attempt. --- Still smilin' :> |
KamikazePotato posted... Mario doesn't have an excuse. He's projected to crush Vivi in every set of stats there's ever been. If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, then he still gets as much against Vivi as Kirby did in 2010. It was also in a day match, and FF9 historically has one of the worst day votes there is. Rally or not, it may be the single most surprising result there's ever been in a contest. Isnt it the only match where 0% of Gurus got it outside Magus/Knuckles? --- Want any VNs pre-patched? PM me. List of VNs can be found by clicking on my username. |
Karma Hunter posted... What is most perplexing now, though... is Samus/Zelda II. Samus SFFed the bajeezus out of Zelda. SAMUS! That's really giving me pause on postulating any rSFF. Yes I don't understand these rSFF calls at all. Fayt_Esteed posted... Julian_Caesar posted...Fayt_Esteed posted...After this debacle, I'd say turd of the round has Charizard's name all over it. But...it was Vivi. Zelda is much closer to Zard than Vivi was to Mario. The Oracle preds had Mario almost doubling Vivi!!! And Ganon isn't even from Mario's franchise! Plus he was SFFed to death. I mean again - there was discussion about Zelda/Zard. NOTHING about Vivi/Mario, it was expected to be a blowout. Plus Vivi was rallied but that looked like it would have been a close match anyway. Mario was heavily rallied too. Though one thing in Mario's favor is that Zard would be losing to a Zelda who is probably being leeched by DK. In other words this probably wouldn't even be a match 1v1. --- |
KamikazePotato posted... Mario doesn't have an excuse. He's projected to crush Vivi in every set of stats there's ever been. If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, then he still gets as much against Vivi as Kirby did in 2010. It was also in a day match, and FF9 historically has one of the worst day votes there is. Rally or not, it may be the single most surprising result there's ever been in a contest. Clicking on the poll and seeing Vivi in the lead...still can't really describe how it felt. Hell I voted for Ganon because I was hoping he would beat Vivi :D --- Every day the rest of your life is changed forever. |
superange128 posted... KamikazePotato posted...Mario doesn't have an excuse. He's projected to crush Vivi in every set of stats there's ever been. If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, then he still gets as much against Vivi as Kirby did in 2010. It was also in a day match, and FF9 historically has one of the worst day votes there is. Rally or not, it may be the single most surprising result there's ever been in a contest. I think so, yeah. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
absolutely contest the idea that Zelda is 'absolutely' stronger than
Ganondorf. That is one of the reasons why this result is so surprising. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
creativename posted... Julian_Caesar posted...Fayt_Esteed posted...After this debacle, I'd say turd of the round has Charizard's name all over it. It might've been because I don't really venture outside the stats topics, but I never saw much talk about Charizard being a fraud (Hell, I was probably one of the very few people here who thought Charizard was going to flop). --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Julian_Caesar posted... Fayt_Esteed posted...Julian_Caesar posted...Fayt_Esteed posted...After this debacle, I'd say turd of the round has Charizard's name all over it. Mario DID blast Ganondorf though is the thing. Zelda isn't "leeching" votes from Charizard, the term only applies if the 3rd place character is damaging the second or first place one. In this case, Zelda is winning and isn't "leeching" anything. --- Still smilin' :> |
Fayt_Esteed posted... Mario at least was being leeched by Ganondorf. What excuses does Charizard have? None! LOL did you expect Charizard to be stronger than Mario or something? |
I'm
trying to figure out what Nintendo vs. Final Fantasy has to do with a
match that has three Nintendo characters in it. Why are people
referencing it? --- Still smilin' :> |
KamikazePotato posted... superange128 posted...KamikazePotato posted...Mario doesn't have an excuse. He's projected to crush Vivi in every set of stats there's ever been. If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, then he still gets as much against Vivi as Kirby did in 2010. It was also in a day match, and FF9 historically has one of the worst day votes there is. Rally or not, it may be the single most surprising result there's ever been in a contest. http://thengamer.com/guru/GOTD/stats.php?match=110 You forgot Star of the Contest. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
Yeah, does anyone really think Ganon wouldn't be doing the same thing if he were here instead? Ugh, just the thought gives me chills. --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
vcharon posted... I'm trying to figure out what Nintendo vs. Final Fantasy has to do with a match that has three Nintendo characters in it. Why are people referencing it? because CHARIZARD IS A FRAUD, POKEMON GONNA FLOP /stats topic reassurance |
Big cut there. --- XBL Gamertag - Tiirshak |
Fayt_Esteed posted... It might've been because I don't really venture outside the stats topics, but I never saw much talk about Charizard being a fraud There were plenty of people (including me! Hence why I have Zelda winning this match in my bracket) who saw the incongruity between the Zard's first three matches and last two matches. So is "Who's the strongest Pokemon?" a debatable thing again? Replace Charizard with Pikachu and what happens? --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
We
also spent days talking about Mario being the most rally-resistant
entrant possible. And there was no reason to believe Mario dropped,
either. Luigi looked fine. Bowser looked fine. Mario himself annihalated
Duke in Round 1, and while there is a lot of reason to believe that
Duke dropped, he looked fine as well. The match simply made absolutely no sense in any respect. Vivi rocks. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
But... Charizard is a fraud. At least to some extent. There isn't much else of a way to spin this! Do I need to pull out all of the 'Charizard > Mega Man w/out Zero in the poll' stuff that was being thrown around??? --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
KamikazePotato posted... We also spent days talking about Mario being the most rally-resistant entrant possible. Well, Kanz was the only person who actually seemed to believe that. But yeah. --- http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9919/leonhart.png |
Julian_Caesar posted... Clicking on the poll and seeing Vivi in the lead...still can't really describe how it felt. My jaw literally dropped and a warm fuzzy feeling of giddiness filled my body. Because how can you not love Vivi? His entire character is that he's the ultimate underdog...and then he pulls one of the most shocking upsets of all time. Unreal. It was like the match was his story unfolding or something. Plus, that was, like, the only positive surprise of the entire contest! (damn you Draven) Fayt_Esteed posted... It might've been because I don't really venture outside the stats topics, but I never saw much talk about Charizard being a fraud (Hell, I was probably one of the very few people here who thought Charizard was going to flop). Oh there was quite a bit of it in here actually. And there would have been a lot more except for Pokemania running wild all over the rest of this bracket. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
All
the major Pokemon being the exact same strength is actually looking
pretty likely at this point. Even Magikarp might not be too far off. HIVEMIND --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Karma Hunter posted... But... Charizard is a fraud. At least to some extent. There isn't much else of a way to spin this! did you miss the POKEMON GONNA FLOP part |
1337gamerpr0 posted... Fayt_Esteed posted...Mario at least was being leeched by Ganondorf. What excuses does Charizard have? None! No. But with all the talk of Charizard upsetting Mega Man, I wouldn't have expected it to struggle against Zelda... --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Karma Hunter posted... Do I need to pull out all of the 'Charizard > Mega Man w/out Zero in the poll' stuff that was being thrown around??? Well, I was only saying it because of how hyper charged Pokemon had been all round. At normal levels, Mega Man beats Charizard. Bandwagon Charizard could win. I mean, we have direct matches against Mario that indicate this to be the case...! --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
Maybe Zelda can also beat Mega Man without Zero in the poll... HAHAHAHA no. --- Hey, its that SuperNiceDog! Congrats to the Guru 2011 winner |
This
is far from over, Zelda is gets a string of consistent updates but
Charizard's random pushes and rallies can eventually get him comfortably
in the lead if Pokemon's previous performances mean anything. --- Still smilin' :> |
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