Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1140

#351 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:05:43 PM | message detail
God, fail harder, DK.
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#352 | spooky96 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:06:20 PM | message detail
The Owner of FF9 posted...
God, fail harder, DK.


DK is awesome.
#353 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/31/2013 10:06:48 PM | message detail
I think Zelda could have beat Bowser with near 55% personally.
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#354 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 10:07:19 PM | message detail
But there's no doubt in my mind that Zelda would win this match without rallies, so... this is awful. Charizard's pedigree was such that people were arguing he could blow Mega Man out of the water without Zero in the match. Remember that!
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#355 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 8/31/2013 10:07:28 PM | message detail
More stalling from Charizard. Interesting timing.
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#356 | spooky96 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:08:09 PM | message detail
Julian_Caesar posted...
More stalling from Charizard. Interesting timing.


Just when power hour...ended you mean?
#357 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 8/31/2013 10:08:11 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
But there's no doubt in my mind that Zelda would win this match without rallies, so... this is awful. Charizard's pedigree was such that people were arguing he could blow Mega Man out of the water without Zero in the match. Remember that!


I said no such thing!!!

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I don't think so, anyway!!!
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#358 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 8/31/2013 10:09:06 PM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
More stalling from Charizard. Interesting timing.


Just when power hour...ended you mean?


Oh, right. I wasn't thinking clearly. For some reason I thought Zelda was supposed to keep gaining for a couple hours.
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#359 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 10:09:08 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
But there's no doubt in my mind that Zelda would win this match without rallies, so... this is awful. Charizard's pedigree was such that people were arguing he could blow Mega Man out of the water without Zero in the match. Remember that!


Wait was this a thing this contest? I mean, I guess if you assume rallies it makes some sense, but...
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#360 | xp1337 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:09:25 PM | message detail
Man, if Charizard gets bailed out of this by rallies I'm going to be sad.

We had a legitimate upset going on here!
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#361 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:10:37 PM | message detail
MONSTER CUT
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#362 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 10:10:54 PM | message detail
Yeah, no kidding. Rallies tend to ruin things!
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#363 | xp1337 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:11:03 PM | message detail
augh
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#364 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 10:11:21 PM | message detail
Gross Pokemon is the worst
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#365 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/31/2013 10:11:33 PM | message detail
I don't see how he'll be rallied. It's really not that easy to rally a Pokemon, and Zelda would draw a lot of votes from attempts to rally, too.
#366 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 8/31/2013 10:11:42 PM | message detail
Charizard finally waking up?
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#367 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/31/2013 10:11:55 PM | message detail
Zelda power hour over, time for Charizard to come back
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#368 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 10:12:05 PM | message detail
Pokemon gets desperately, fiercely rallied EVERY single match from one of the biggest subreddits out there. It's a part of their intrinsic strength nowadays. If you could somehow shut out rallies they'd still be good but probably a half step below what they look like now.
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#369 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/31/2013 10:12:36 PM | message detail
ugh
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#370 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/31/2013 10:14:06 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Pokemon gets desperately, fiercely rallied EVERY single match from one of the biggest subreddits out there. It's a part of their intrinsic strength nowadays. If you could somehow shut out rallies they'd still be good but probably a half step below what they look like now.


Well, what the hell happened with Missingno? I'd have expected rallies to save his bacon, but that didn't materialize...
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#371 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/31/2013 10:14:38 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Pokemon gets desperately, fiercely rallied EVERY single match from one of the biggest subreddits out there. It's a part of their intrinsic strength nowadays. If you could somehow shut out rallies they'd still be good but probably a half step below what they look like now.


I don't see these rallies ever doing anything or lasting more than an hour. They always die when they're downvoted instantly to oblivion. The current one for Charizard has only a few comments and 0 points.
#372 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 10:14:42 PM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Pokemon gets desperately, fiercely rallied EVERY single match from one of the biggest subreddits out there. It's a part of their intrinsic strength nowadays. If you could somehow shut out rallies they'd still be good but probably a half step below what they look like now.


Well, what the hell happened with Missingno? I'd have expected rallies to save his bacon, but that didn't materialize...


Missingno was rallied ridiculously in both the Tidus match and the Squall match. It's just that weak.
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#373 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:15:32 PM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
MONSTER CUT

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#374 | Kyle Bowen | Posted 8/31/2013 10:15:52 PM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Pokemon gets desperately, fiercely rallied EVERY single match from one of the biggest subreddits out there. It's a part of their intrinsic strength nowadays. If you could somehow shut out rallies they'd still be good but probably a half step below what they look like now.


Well, what the hell happened with Missingno? I'd have expected rallies to save his bacon, but that didn't materialize...


Squall is too great for pokemon shenanigans.
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#375 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:16:00 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Missingno was rallied ridiculously in both the Tidus match and the Squall match. It's just that weak.


yeah I'm calling BS
#376 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 10:16:04 PM | message detail
Pokemon is truly the worst thing about this contest why every time
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#377 | spooky96 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:16:19 PM | message detail
Oh yeah Zard's coming back in the game. Stupid power hour, gave me a heart attack.
#378 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/31/2013 10:16:23 PM | message detail
Zard is keeping it close.
#379 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/31/2013 10:16:44 PM | message detail
I love how people are complaining about a rally for Charizard, when the recent cuts are all due to Zelda's vote totals dropping.
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#380 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 10:18:04 PM | message detail
And the downvotes don't mean much if users are clicking on the 'New' tab. Unless people actively make new threads to push the rally down below where people can't see it anymore, it doesn't impede the rally itself.

The proof is in the pudding, anyway - look at the trends, look at the votals! It's clearly being rallied.
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#381 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/31/2013 10:19:47 PM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Pokemon gets desperately, fiercely rallied EVERY single match from one of the biggest subreddits out there. It's a part of their intrinsic strength nowadays. If you could somehow shut out rallies they'd still be good but probably a half step below what they look like now.


Well, what the hell happened with Missingno? I'd have expected rallies to save his bacon, but that didn't materialize...


Missingno was rallied ridiculously in both the Tidus match and the Squall match. It's just that weak.


Well... gahahahahaha Missingno. Going from upending Crono to being given a scare by Tidus... wow. (To be fair, though, it had Crono in a day match and the FF dudes in night matches, so there's that)
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#382 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:18:49 PM | message detail
There is a rally for Charizard on /vp/ right now with over 60 replies but the majority of them are people saying they're voting Zelda.
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#383 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/31/2013 10:18:52 PM | message detail
If you consider Missingno to be more of a legit Pokemon entrant, then it increased its strength tremendously between rounds (it had to in order to go from tying Tidus to getting tantalizingly close to Squall). It makes more sense to just chalk it up as a joke character with jokey, non-transitive trends.
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#384 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 10:19:39 PM | message detail
Notice, too, how Charizard's vote intake has actually gone UP post-Power Hour while Zelda's and DK's are dropping off normally.
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#385 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/31/2013 10:19:48 PM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
There is a rally for Charizard on /vp/ right now with over 60 replies but the majority of them are people saying they're voting Zelda.


This is why I don't think Charizard can be rallied very well here. Zelda is a pretty big draw.
#386 | spooky96 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:19:52 PM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
There is a rally for Charizard on /vp/ right now with over 60 replies but the majority of them are people saying they're voting Zelda.


People who vote for something else are the ones who comment.
#387 | Wanglicious | Posted 8/31/2013 10:20:20 PM | message detail
it's not like Zelda's night vote is that good normally. rallies for 'zard are part of his strength really. still, it shouldn't be this close unless something's terribly wrong with the belief that Pokemon is highly resistant to SFF. what's the worst that Pokemon has faced? Charizard with the Bowser/Mario combo? the game of the decade matches? Mario SFFs most Nintendo, but it's possible that he couldn't do it to Pokemon and that's just even. Pokemon mooching from other series more would explain some results too (there was a Ness match somewhere, right?). but Zelda series trumps all Nintendo on this scale. Zelda > Mario = Pokemon > The rest, makes sense?
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#388 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/31/2013 10:20:37 PM | message detail
Zelda beat him back there.
#389 | spooky96 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:21:20 PM | message detail
Now what <_<
#390 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 8/31/2013 10:21:54 PM | message detail
Ugh Zelda just crumble ffs.
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#391 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/31/2013 10:22:21 PM | message detail
Wanglicious posted...
it's not like Zelda's night vote is that good normally. rallies for 'zard are part of his strength really. still, it shouldn't be this close unless something's terribly wrong with the belief that Pokemon is highly resistant to SFF. what's the worst that Pokemon has faced? Charizard with the Bowser/Mario combo? the game of the decade matches? Mario SFFs most Nintendo, but it's possible that he couldn't do it to Pokemon and that's just even. Pokemon mooching from other series more would explain some results too (there was a Ness match somewhere, right?). but Zelda series trumps all Nintendo on this scale. Zelda > Mario = Pokemon > The rest, makes sense?


I definitely think Zelda is the toughest match for Pokemon. Pokemon can beat Mario characters, but Zelda is top tier. Even I was uncertain of who I would vote for here as a big Pokemon fan.
#392 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:23:00 PM | message detail
Could Red be stronger than Charizard? Find out tomorrow when MMX beats Mario!
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#393 | creativename | Posted 8/31/2013 10:23:34 PM | message detail
Oh god don't tell me this match is going to be decided by the presence of friggin' Donkey Kong.

He already changed history when he prevented Kirby from eliminating L-Block during L-Block's run, isn't that enough??
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#394 | nkansas13 | Posted 8/31/2013 10:24:01 PM | message detail
Another 100-vote stall war. Yay.
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#395 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 10:24:41 PM | message detail
X might win tomorrow's poll. Mario just lost to Vivi and Crono just lost to Pikachu. it took 50,000 votes to bring down X.
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#396 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2013 10:24:52 PM | message detail
And the variance, too! Fluctuating votals, elevated votals in an SFF match... you'd have to be blind to not see that Pokemon gets significantly rallied. Look at Missingno's match and the ridiculous fight it put up against losing the lead during one of Squall's best times of the match. I'm not sure why all the people who usually actively rally for Pokemon are arguing that it doesn't have any effect, either!

(spoilers it's because they don't want to draw attention to it)
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#397 | SnoicFactor | Posted 8/31/2013 10:25:05 PM | message detail
*Charizard uses Seismic Toss*

*Board 8 doubters take critical damage*
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#398 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/31/2013 10:26:12 PM | message detail
But...but he was losing by over 100 votes...

How did he come back from that so easily?
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#399 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/31/2013 10:26:39 PM | message detail
Wait, Charizard's only down by 100? This is still anyone's game.

In a fair match, do you take Zelda to beat any, some, or all three of the Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi trio?
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#400 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/31/2013 10:27:21 PM | message detail
Just lots of stalling out.