Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1140

#251 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 8/31/2013 9:20:59 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
So Charizard is only down by 55, I just realized.

Shouldn't we be reserving judgment until he falls behind by a couple hundred, at least?


Unless this match is a total reversal of trends, if Pokemon isn't winning in the first hour, it's not winning.


You mean like this contest, right?

Or Alucard only barely beating Falcon with the night vote, then somehow winning with the morning vote?

I'm not being aggressive, I'm just pointing out that this contest is all kinds of screwy. Like I said a few posts ago, I just don't trust trends anymore.
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#252 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/31/2013 9:21:08 PM | message detail
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This is making me wonder how many of the Pokemon are frauds. What if Squirtle just caught some weird standout factor thing versus Dante/Zidane? What if Pikachu did the same? What if Red has just been blowing out complete weaklings?


ALL OF A SUDDEN SQUALL/VIVI HAVE A CHANCE
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#253 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 9:21:27 PM | message detail
Also - I think Celda is fine. Zelda doesn't get votes on design, or being in a particular game. She gets votes for being 'Zelda', not anything else.
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#254 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/31/2013 9:21:36 PM | message detail
Julian_Caesar posted...
You mean like this contest, right?

Or Alucard only barely beating Falcon with the night vote, then somehow winning with the morning vote?


There's a reason why Alucard did that.

Charizard could do it, too, but yeah.
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#255 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/31/2013 9:22:14 PM | message detail
I think all this proves is that you really, really don't f*** with Zelda if you are a non-Zelda Nintendo entrant. Charizard's performance against Riku in R1 was very strong.
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#256 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/31/2013 9:22:14 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
This is making me wonder how many of the Pokemon are frauds. What if Squirtle just caught some weird standout factor thing versus Dante/Zidane? What if Pikachu did the same? What if Red has just been blowing out complete weaklings?


I was thinking the same, more or less. If CHARIZARD turned out to be a complete fraud... who knows who else out of the other Pokémon entrants are overrated as well?
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#257 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 8/31/2013 9:22:35 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Julian_Caesar posted...
You mean like this contest, right?

Or Alucard only barely beating Falcon with the night vote, then somehow winning with the morning vote?


There's a reason why Alucard did that.

Charizard could do it, too, but yeah.


At this point I just wouldn't be surprised anymore. I consider the surety of Draven's victory over Link to be the best evidence in favor of Link winning.
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#258 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/31/2013 9:22:46 PM | message detail
We could end up with L-Block/Vivi/Zelda right now.

Imagine that pre-contest.
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#259 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/31/2013 9:22:58 PM | message detail
Missingno. = Mewtwo = Charizard = Pikachu = Squirtle = Magikarp is looking far more likely than it should..
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#260 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 9:23:18 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
I think all this proves is that you really, really don't f*** with Zelda if you are a non-Zelda Nintendo entrant. Charizard's performance against Riku in R1 was very strong.


This assumes that KH hasn't dropped in the 3 years since 2010. It probably has.
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#261 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/31/2013 9:23:34 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Missingno. = Mewtwo = Charizard = Pikachu = Squirtle = Magikarp is looking far more likely than it should..


Guess who's argued something along these lines LITERALLY SINCE 2010.
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#262 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/31/2013 9:23:38 PM | message detail
People were certain that Charles was going to win this?

I thought that this was up in the air since this was a pure Nintendo match. That, and people were saying that Charizard's victory over Bowser wasn't exactly legitimate anyway.
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#263 | pjbasis | Posted 8/31/2013 9:23:45 PM | message detail
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Charizard's performance against Riku in R1 was very strong.


?

Riku sucks. Sora has been unimpressive and is only going to squeak a win out (hopefully) because of Poke LFF
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#264 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 9:23:50 PM | message detail
Also, RBY held up like a champ to OoT twice in a row. Pokemon has never folded to anything before. Why now?

Zard is just lookin' like a fraud.
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#265 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/31/2013 9:23:55 PM | message detail
A contest where Zelda makes it farther than Link
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#266 | Figgy20000 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:24:31 PM | message detail | (edited)
I think Celda looks great. Adds to her appeal really, her art in the other games isn't as nice. Especially in OOT
#267 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/31/2013 9:24:05 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
We could end up with L-Block/Vivi/Zelda right now.

Imagine that pre-contest.


I'm totally ok with that.

Honestly, its Zelda, Charizard is great and all, but out of all the crazy **** that has happened in Round 2, this one doesn't shock me as much as other things.
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#268 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/31/2013 9:24:24 PM | message detail
Man, imagine if Squirtle beats Cloud after this anyway.

THIS CONTEST
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#269 | Qwaar | Posted 8/31/2013 9:24:31 PM | message detail
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At least I didn't pick Charizard getting past Mega Man, so I am better off than those who picked Charizard to get past Mega Man. Of course, there's still a chance Zelda can take advantage of Mega Man/Zero LFF to beat Mega Man.


Yeah, I didn't check to see how many of the gurus had Char beating Mega Man. That's actually quite shocking.
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#270 | CP724 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:24:39 PM | message detail
This is making me wonder how many of the Pokemon are frauds. What if Squirtle just caught some weird standout factor thing versus Dante/Zidane? What if Pikachu did the same? What if Red has just been blowing out complete weaklings?

Going almost 50/50 with zelda doesnt make him a fraud. Bandwagoned Zard got 54% or whatever on bowser. This is perfectly reasonbale pre bandwagon zard strength. peopls expectations of him were ridiculous.
#271 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 8/31/2013 9:24:45 PM | message detail
From: GloryChaos | #262
I thought that this was up in the air since this was a pure Nintendo match

I'm pretty sure that literally everyone expected Charizard to easily win.
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#272 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 9:24:52 PM | message detail
Don't think it was ever in doubt, but Ganon did some big leeching on Mario, considering how well Zelda is doing.
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#273 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 9:25:45 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Man, imagine if Squirtle beats Cloud after this anyway.

THIS CONTEST


All the more reason for the Pokemon fans to rally around Squirtle!
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#274 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/31/2013 9:25:53 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
Missingno. = Mewtwo = Charizard = Pikachu = Squirtle = Magikarp is looking far more likely than it should..


Guess who's argued something along these lines LITERALLY SINCE 2010.

Guess you haven't been on the leaderboard FIVE TIMES by accident!
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#275 | spooky96 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:26:07 PM | message detail
Why is DK rising >_>
#276 | SnoicFactor | Posted 8/31/2013 9:26:20 PM | message detail | (edited)
Calling this for Charizard. No way Zelda won't plummet during the night.
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#277 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/31/2013 9:26:35 PM | message detail
Ganondorf takes down Mario to pave the way for Zelda.

It's like it's all part of the plan...!
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#278 | superange128 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:26:37 PM | message detail
Magikarp seems like a stretch but yeah I can see it for everyone else
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#279 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/31/2013 9:26:42 PM | message detail
I think Zelda is just being underrated here. She's close in relation to Link, and is likely one of the toughest Nintendo opponents.
#280 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 8/31/2013 9:26:46 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
People were certain that Charles was going to win this?

I thought that this was up in the air since this was a pure Nintendo match. That, and people were saying that Charizard's victory over Bowser wasn't exactly legitimate anyway.


Yeah, we were...well most of us anyway. Zelda is always OK in contests because it's Zelda, but Charizard is a fairly recognizable Pokemon, plus he's the most badass-looking of them. I just wouldn't have predicted her to beat him.

Which she may not do anyway. The night is young and we don't really understand these "trend" things anymore.
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#281 | xp1337 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:26:55 PM | message detail
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Why is DK rising >_>

he wants a turn at exposing charizard as a fraud too
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#282 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 9:27:04 PM | message detail
Zelda has another generic Nintendo icon in the poll. If you think WW art hurts her, there's that too. Charizard has brackets and momentum. He has no excuse here.
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#283 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/31/2013 9:27:10 PM | message detail
You can't really call this a Charizard "fold." Remember that Zelda can also very possibly defeat the Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi trio. There's nothing that really argues against it. KP, this is a pretty big overreaction from you, I think. Pokemon has dominated this contest. Not Charizard is getting 52/48'd by Zelda in a pure SFF match, and it's time to wonder how many Pokemon have been overrated all along? Doesn't make sense. They've torched through practically everything. If the Pokemon are overrated, then everything sans Draven is overrated too... oh wait we've actually been arguing this.

WELCOME TO THE YEAR OF DRAVEN
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#284 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:27:34 PM | message detail
Why is DK rising >_>

He deserves to rise, DKCR was like his first true game since the contests begun.
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#285 | Haste_2 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:27:42 PM | message detail
Charizard's long overdue for an HM01.
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#286 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/31/2013 9:28:09 PM | message detail
This is the Link in her quote factor at work
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#287 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 8/31/2013 9:28:29 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Don't think it was ever in doubt, but Ganon did some big leeching on Mario, considering how well Zelda is doing.


Good point.
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#288 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 9:28:35 PM | message detail
As far as Toon Zelda goes, I don't think it's a big negative in her corner, just not her optimal look. It's like Link - WW Link probably doesn't hurt him much, but you still don't want it against Draven.
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#289 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/31/2013 9:28:45 PM | message detail
Well, our options are the LAW is letting Zelda rSFF Charizard, DK is hurting Charizard more than he's hurting Zelda (ANIMAL LFF), or Charizard's just not as strong as we thought.

Or Link fans are just whetting their appetites for Monday, I dunno.
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#290 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/31/2013 9:29:35 PM | message detail
Charizard losing to the Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi trio would've been disappointing as well, considering his pre-contest expectations. Doing it after we saw Pokedomination almost across the board is crazy. You can't call this an SFF match because Pokemon basically doesn't get SFFd.
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#291 | im317 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:29:39 PM | message detail
this changes nothing. Red to the finals is still on
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#292 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 9:29:45 PM | message detail
It's the Link fans for sure it has been a week of prep time LINK will win
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#293 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/31/2013 9:30:43 PM | message detail | (edited)
Well, I thought it was going to be a 50-50 match back when I thought Lightning was going to be here and Zelda would get a decent pic. With changes in the latter two though, I thought Charizard was the heavy favorite.

Could just be that both of those things actually weren't huge factors
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#294 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/31/2013 9:30:45 PM | message detail
#295 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:31:09 PM | message detail
Charizard losing to the Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi trio would've been disappointing as well, considering his pre-contest expectations.

Did people honestly expected Charizard to beat the trio?

I guess so since most people had him over Zelda
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#296 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/31/2013 9:31:48 PM | message detail
People were talking about Charizard being a Noble Nine breaker, and most people don't consider that trio to be Noble Nine breakers, so yeah.
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#297 | spooky96 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:32:02 PM | message detail
Now that's an update, Zard. Keep up boy.

Some rally?
#298 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 8/31/2013 9:32:40 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Charizard losing to the Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi trio would've been disappointing as well, considering his pre-contest expectations.

Did people honestly expected Charizard to beat the trio?

I guess so since most people had him over Zelda


I would've picked him over Luigi and Yoshi...not by a lot but in a 1v1, sure. Probably not Bowser, though.
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#299 | ZFS | Posted 8/31/2013 9:32:58 PM | message detail
Do most people have Charizard here? Strange. I mean in the actual bracket, not the expert. Figured Zelda would have been more favorable pre-contest. I took her here, even with DK.
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#300 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/31/2013 9:33:16 PM | message detail
People were talking about Charizard being a Noble Nine breaker, and most people don't consider that trio to be Noble Nine breakers, so yeah.

Wasn't that just because Zero was in the poll?

I'd consider taking the trio over Crono though.
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