Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1134

#401 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 11:45:17 PM | message detail
I haven't posted in this topic very much this contest, but really, I always reserve some possibility of a wildcard like Draven winning. And others do too (I know creativename does).

As for your belief that you can change match results to your liking if you try hard enough- well you're welcome to try, but you may find that particular lightning bolt doesn't strike twice.

Mind you, L-Block is probably still the underdog against Samus and Mario- he does need a substantial boost be it through rallying or bandwagoning or whatnot to beat them. That said, rally against L at your own peril!

P.S. I remember you talking about planning to stuff in MM/FFX. I hope you don't mean that you've learned how to get around the site's security and you can make your chosen character win by stuffing.
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#402 | Fr0zoN | Posted 8/28/2013 11:47:24 PM | message detail | (edited)
I usually like reading these topics but since Kanzaris has been back it's the same crap as before he was banned. So much arrogance, incredibly pointless arguments and e-peen reddit rallying that I'm just going to stop following them.

Yeah I'm not a regular poster and yeah I'm a crybaby but seriously I have no idea how any of you put up with him or even bother to talk to him.
#403 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 11:46:45 PM | message detail
oh look it's Kanz being contrarian as usual
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#404 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 11:52:09 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
I usually like reading these topics but since Kanzaris have been back it's the same crap as before he was banned. So much arrogance, incredibly pointless arguments and e-peen reddit rallying that I'm just going to stop following them.

Yeah I'm not a regular poster and yeah I'm a crybaby but seriously I have no idea how any of you put up with him or even bother to talk to him.


I never was banned, you know. And if I piss you off so much, you can always use the ignore button. I don't recommend that (there's really no point in ignoring someone, IMO), but if you see no other way to enjoy the stats topic otherwise, go ahead!

red sox 777 posted...
I haven't posted in this topic very much this contest, but really, I always reserve some possibility of a wildcard like Draven winning. And others do too (I know creativename does).

As for your belief that you can change match results to your liking if you try hard enough- well you're welcome to try, but you may find that particular lightning bolt doesn't strike twice.

Mind you, L-Block is probably still the underdog against Samus and Mario- he does need a substantial boost be it through rallying or bandwagoning or whatnot to beat them. That said, rally against L at your own peril!

P.S. I remember you talking about planning to stuff in MM/FFX. I hope you don't mean that you've learned how to get around the site's security and you can make your chosen character win by stuffing.


Of course not. What I mean is that I've done a bunch of research on the side since Draven's second match, because it opened my eyes to a couple things about how contests (or rather, polls) work. I've learned new things, and I feel confident enough about them that I am ready to use that knowledge if I see it is needed to shut L-Block down.

(Also, your memory is kinda faulty sox. I remember that discussion and eventually it was explained that what I was implying wasn't stuffing, it was asking a pal with access to a large set of computers that each had their own individual IP to let me at them for a second. But of course, people like to remember only the worst of others, not the best!)
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#405 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 8/28/2013 11:54:24 PM | message detail
Draven has the unfair advantage of being from a game that gathers a lot of people in one space. It's not like this means people care about him more. That's why you can't rally for Red Bird despite Red Bird being the face of a game even more popular than LoL – it's a single-player game. There's nothing to discuss online.
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#406 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/28/2013 11:54:49 PM | message detail
It's a dread visiting these stats topics when it's always that one particular user who thinks he's running the place and calling the shots. I miss the old days.
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#407 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 11:55:42 PM | message detail
ZinsanityCraze posted...
It's a dread visiting these stats topics when it's always that one particular user who thinks he's running the place and calling the shots. I miss the old days.


You mean when Ulti had free time and did that?
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#408 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 11:59:01 PM | message detail
Ulti never tried to turn every single topic into the same boring tired old discussion, so no, it's not like that.
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#409 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2013 12:00:28 AM | message detail
I remember that discussion and eventually it was explained that what I was implying wasn't stuffing, it was asking a pal with access to a large set of computers that each had their own individual IP to let me at them for a second.

What I remembered was you talking about stuffing and not doing it. But this....this literally is stuffing, is it not?
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#410 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/29/2013 12:01:24 AM | message detail
lol at all of the people who were saying joke entries were dead

now were talking about a final with Draven and L-Block

so much for that concept

the real question is if Missingno can keep up with L-Block's performance so far
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#411 | Fr0zoN | Posted 8/29/2013 12:03:29 AM | message detail
I would gladly ignore you Kanz but its impossible because you take over the whole topic as soon as you post because numerous people have to point out the flaws in your ridiculous arguments and it becomes an endless back and forth with a brick wall.

In my opinion you only seem to be here to gloat about your "part" in the Draven rally and to give other people the false sense that they can make a difference by rallying. You seem to only be out for yourself and seem to pride yourself on ruining the contest for a lot of people just because you can. In fact your attitude sucks.
#412 | Janus5000 | Posted 8/29/2013 12:08:49 AM | message detail
can't wait for the Draven/Pikachu/L-Block final
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#413 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2013 12:12:05 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I remember that discussion and eventually it was explained that what I was implying wasn't stuffing, it was asking a pal with access to a large set of computers that each had their own individual IP to let me at them for a second.

What I remembered was you talking about stuffing and not doing it. But this....this literally is stuffing, is it not?


No, stuffing is, for example, cycling through a set of dynamic IPs with a router that supports that, by unplugging and replugging it again and again. These were independent, individual computers, with their own IPs, used by individual people, which I was lent for a few minutes. There's kiiiiiiiind of a big difference between the two. Just a little.

Fr0zoN posted...
I would gladly ignore you Kanz but its impossible because you take over the whole topic as soon as you post because numerous people have to point out the flaws in your ridiculous arguments and it becomes an endless back and forth with a brick wall.

In my opinion you only seem to be here to gloat about your "part" in the Draven rally and to give other people the false sense that they can make a difference by rallying. You seem to only be out for yourself and seem to pride yourself on ruining the contest for a lot of people just because you can. In fact your attitude sucks.


Nonsense. You realize I was there before the first of Draven's matches started talking about stuff with everyone else, right? You're ascribing me a motive and method that flatly do not match reality. Unless, you think my cheery comment about the return of the Hylian Hammer in Link's first match was gloating about Draven, then you're seeing what you want to see, as opposed to what is there.
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#414 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2013 12:12:49 AM | message detail
hey remember when red sox said he didn't mind having Kanz around as long as he used logic

LOL
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#415 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2013 12:14:47 AM | message detail
Stuffing is one person casting more than 1 vote. The method doesn't matter.
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#416 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2013 12:15:09 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
hey remember when red sox said he didn't mind having Kanz around as long as he used logic

LOL


There's nothing to apply logic to at the moment, and it's the dead of night so nobody is in a mood to be logical anyway. So, why not shoot the bull a bit? I've got time to kill right now and this may as well be one of the eight things I'm juggling at the moment.
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#417 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2013 12:19:11 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Stuffing is one person casting more than 1 vote. The method doesn't matter.


That's nonsense and you know it. By this token, if I had told my buddy to make one of the votes, this would have been legitimate (even though it happened because I pulled a string). Likewise, if we'd set up a pop-up window to fire on startup telling people to click on the 'yes' button and follow some instructions leading to the frontpage, this would also have been legit, even though once again this wouldn't happen without coaxing. They all lead to the same result, they all have the same degree of effectiveness, and the latter in particular is more underhanded because it involves manipulating people who have absolutely no interest in the contest, and yet it 'counts' more in your eyes.
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#418 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/29/2013 12:19:57 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
hey remember when red sox said he didn't mind having Kanz around as long as he used logic

LOL

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#419 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/29/2013 12:21:46 AM | message detail
Yes, getting other people to vote is not stuffing. Casting multiple votes by oneself is. Really simple. Whether such methods are equally immoral or inefficient or whatever, I won't address.
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#420 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2013 12:29:04 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Yes, getting other people to vote is not stuffing. Casting multiple votes by oneself is. Really simple. Whether such methods are equally immoral or inefficient or whatever, I won't address.


So let's see if I get it - even though stuffing is actually more specific than what you say it is about (because it's not just casting multiple votes, it's trying to vote more than once while bypassing the rules laid down by the contest organizer, which is one vote per IP address and machine, etc. etc. etc., as laid down in the rules section of each contest), and this is not stuffing since by definition it does not jive with what stuffing is marked as, you say it is? And if an intangible factor that can't be supervised, controlled, verified or given any relevance as far as the contests are concerned goes one way (for example, me and a friend are both sitting down in front of his computer and I tell him to go vote in the character battle. He goes to the frontpage, we have a random conversation, and since he's distracted and got up to go get some drinks or make some toast or whatever I go ahead and select an option and press Vote), then it's stuffing and it isn't otherwise? Man, sometimes I don't get the way people think, at all.
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#421 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/29/2013 12:52:18 AM | message detail
If the finals ends up with L Block/Snake/Draven and it will turn it GameFAQs vs 4chan reddit vs LoL reddit...with Snake crushed under the might of reddit massive amount of voters,will people still think that this bull**** is not worth complaining over?
I really don't want to see the finals decided by 2 external communites and making GameFAQs look irrelevant
#422 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2013 12:54:53 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
If the finals ends up with L Block/Snake/Draven and it will turn it GameFAQs vs 4chan reddit vs LoL reddit...with Snake crushed under the might of reddit massive amount of voters,will people still think that this bull**** is not worth complaining over?
I really don't want to see the finals decided by 2 external communites and making GameFAQs look irrelevant


The question then becomes, how do you get GameFAQS to care? Because make no mistake, the userbase hasn't shrunk at all since CB8 or earlier. In fact it's bigger than ever, IIRC. It's just that we live in an era where the frontpage is entirely irrelevant since you can just google and get where you need to be, most of the time. Maybe use the old Qualtrics survey system to generate pop-ups that link to the frontpage or allow you to vote directly? That could ratchet the votals up something fierce.
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#423 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/29/2013 12:59:04 AM | message detail
L-Block managed to do it.Amazing.Rallies in this contest have done wonders.
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#424 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/29/2013 1:05:57 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Nanis23 posted...
If the finals ends up with L Block/Snake/Draven and it will turn it GameFAQs vs 4chan reddit vs LoL reddit...with Snake crushed under the might of reddit massive amount of voters,will people still think that this bull**** is not worth complaining over?
I really don't want to see the finals decided by 2 external communites and making GameFAQs look irrelevant


The question then becomes, how do you get GameFAQS to care? Because make no mistake, the userbase hasn't shrunk at all since CB8 or earlier. In fact it's bigger than ever, IIRC. It's just that we live in an era where the frontpage is entirely irrelevant since you can just google and get where you need to be, most of the time. Maybe use the old Qualtrics survey system to generate pop-ups that link to the frontpage or allow you to vote directly? That could ratchet the votals up something fierce.


They won't care
This community is the community of defeatists
Can't beat a game by themselves so they go and read a walkthrough
They want other people to do the job for them

But im different. I will try,even if there is no chance,I will do whatever possible to stop the monster you created!
Who is with me?!?!
(yeah...the community of defeatists)
#425 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/29/2013 1:08:11 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
L-Block still could've won.


Probably not. In fact, I estimate there were around 3000 rallied votes for L-Block. Without those votes, L-Block finishes around 36%. So Auron would have won by at least 1500 votes without any rallies at all.
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#426 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2013 1:09:15 AM | message detail
If you're willing to back Mario, you've got my sword, my vote, my knowledge and my faith. I won't back Pokemon because I don't believe in them, but I will gladly back a more sure alternative (Snake would also be acceptable, as would Sonic).
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#427 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/29/2013 1:16:43 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Nanis23 posted...
If the finals ends up with L Block/Snake/Draven and it will turn it GameFAQs vs 4chan reddit vs LoL reddit...with Snake crushed under the might of reddit massive amount of voters,will people still think that this bull**** is not worth complaining over?
I really don't want to see the finals decided by 2 external communites and making GameFAQs look irrelevant


The question then becomes, how do you get GameFAQS to care? Because make no mistake, the userbase hasn't shrunk at all since CB8 or earlier. In fact it's bigger than ever, IIRC. It's just that we live in an era where the frontpage is entirely irrelevant since you can just google and get where you need to be, most of the time. Maybe use the old Qualtrics survey system to generate pop-ups that link to the frontpage or allow you to vote directly? That could ratchet the votals up something fierce.

We've tried this before. After we heard SBAllen claim that site traffic had actually increased despite vote totals tanking, someone from here started a petition on Site Suggestions. Pretty sure this was sometime in 2011 or 2012. The idea was to make the Poll of the Day show up on other pages of the site or something of that nature in order to hopefully increase vote totals.

The petition was fairly popular and well-received, but then Bacon came in, basically said "I don't see the point of this," and closed it.

And then there are also people who think he's lying about site traffic being fine. Either way it looks like he's just not going to do it so the point seems moot.

SBAllen ruins everything confirmed.
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#428 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/29/2013 1:22:06 AM | message detail
Man, that's kind of silly. I think it might be worth trying again, but it baffles me that Bacon would think that. I wonder what his reasoning for it is. And people say my logic is impenetrable...
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#429 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 8/29/2013 1:29:50 AM | message detail | (edited)
Allen is clueless. We need a better admin on this site.the guy couldn't be bothered to crop a a picture. Lazy as hell.
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#430 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/29/2013 1:48:46 AM | message detail
I have hard time believing this site traffic is the same
There are less FAQs and reviews than before by FAR
I barely find answers to my questions in this site anymore
Also,it's the age of wikis and Youtube
Most popular games got a wiki up and it's more detailed than the current FAQs here
Walkthroughs are useless- I prefer to watch a LP video to pass the part where im stuck rather than read it in text form
Games are also much simplier today,and the only thing worth checking is how to get certain achievments - which,again,Youtube is the better site for this along with some achievments sites

This site is dead,text FAQs are no longer useful and even if GameFAQs decides to make video walkthroughs mainstream,there is no reason to watch those videoes here instead of Youtube
#431 | xp1337 | Posted 8/29/2013 1:49:56 AM | message detail
Just saw the trend chart for L-Block

that wasn't even necessary
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#432 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 8/29/2013 1:59:22 AM | message detail
These damn low votals make rallying so easy.
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#433 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/29/2013 2:05:41 AM | message detail
I prefer to read text in most games...Okay in some games you need a video in order to find hidden stuff,but if you want to just have a general strategy a text faq is nice.
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#434 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/29/2013 2:06:58 AM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
Just saw the trend chart for L-Block

that wasn't even necessary


I know right
Third of L Block lead was just from the final hour
The hell was that
#435 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 8/29/2013 2:14:12 AM | message detail | (edited)
Faqs aren't as popular as 10 years ago. that's a fact. Gamefaqs should allow user made video walkthroughs though.


The best thing about GFaqs is its the only site on the net that has high volumes of activity for almost any game. Including niche rpg releases. If i want to discuss skyrim or gtav I can go to many places or for LoL. But for stuff like persona 4 golden or tales of Xillia. GFaqs is the best. You won't other places that has dedicated boards to specific games or as much traffic
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#436 | lightning-02 | Posted 8/29/2013 2:29:54 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
L-Block still could've won.


Probably not. In fact, I estimate there were around 3000 rallied votes for L-Block. Without those votes, L-Block finishes around 36%. So Auron would have won by at least 1500 votes without any rallies at all.


As the person who made all the rally threads on /v/ I'd say your numbers are a little out. I had done estimates during downtimes on the rally and what seemed like natural so I could calculate what a safe time was to ease off and I reckon without interference Auron would have won with 900 votes. /v/ gathered roughly 1400 to leave L at around 500 clear which is where I backed off, the later hours was Reddit adding another ~1100 by themselves. So about 2500 net gain for L-Block although of course a lot more rallied votes were taken in that went to the other characters and cancelled out.
#437 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/29/2013 3:31:16 AM | message detail
Yuna isn't doing so bad.She beats Dragonborn easily 1vs1.And man MC will look really weak on X-stats...
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#438 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/29/2013 3:42:21 AM | message detail
Why is everyone always so god damn negative around here?

I'm switching to Kanz's side. Delusional or not, his rantings are more entertaining than all the sad sack soliloquy that's been filling up this topic and board the past month or so. "WAH, A CHARACTER I DON'T LIKE MAY WIN, BAWWWWW."

It's behavior like that that's encouraging the LoL rallyers more than anything. Maybe if you guys weren't whining about video game character popularity contests all the god damn time, people wouldn't treat this board like such a f***ing joke.
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#439 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/29/2013 4:04:30 AM | message detail
I don't get it either
Im here for contests only,and lurk here in the off season
Some people here follow those contests for 11 years,doing predicitions,submitting pictures,creating alts for more brackets and calculate stats like crazy
I don't do any of these and I still care enough to try and rally my favorites when the time comes

I still believe this is not because they lost intesrt,more like they admitted defeat and it annoys me
Have some faith guys!
And yes stop hating on Kanz for trying to give "false hope" it's better than ApathyFAQs
#440 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/29/2013 5:25:37 AM | message detail
Let's get out of this nonsense and into some happy thoughts.

How bad does Master Chief look today? I'm thinking Dragonborn would still kill him.
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#441 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/29/2013 5:59:54 AM | message detail
I see Tetrisphere has taken over again.
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#442 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/29/2013 6:51:36 AM | message detail
Match CIII: (1) Mario vs. (6) Vivi vs. (9) Ganondorf

Previous Round

Mario – 69.47%
Duke Nukem – 20.12%
Fawful – 10.41%

Vivi – 62.18%
Adam Jensen – 23.87%
Marisa Kirisame – 13.95%

Ganondorf – 65.18%
Guybrush Threepwood – 18.06%
Max Payne – 16.76%

Analysis

All three characters had impressive performances, but they were all up against weak characters. Mario will have no issue winning this match, he is one of the strongest characters in the bracket and while his opponents are no slouches Mario is just that much stronger.

In a regular match Ganondorf would be able to defeat Vivi, but with Mario and the possibility of SFF Ganondorf pretty much has no chance at advancing. While he has held up against SFF in the past against Samus she tends to struggle to SFF characters and even if Mario fails to hurt him Vivi is close enough to Ganondorf that even LFF would place him over the top.

This entire third of the division was quite boring with only Guybrush and Max Payne making things interesting. I expect Mario to SFF Ganondorf which will give Vivi second place. Mario is of course safe from Vivi, heck he has a decent chance at breaking 50% against the two characters.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Mario > Vivi and Ganondorf

charmander6000’s Prediction: Mario – 48.54%, Vivi – 28.74%, Ganondorf – 22.72%
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#443 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/29/2013 7:10:49 AM | message detail
Is there any chance Ganon resist SFF enough to beat Vivi?
I don't know,almost all of the round 2 matches has some sort of unexpected result or "gimmick"
Even Knuckles>Catherine that made perfecr sense was kinda close
#444 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/29/2013 7:16:33 AM | message detail
Well, charmander did just pick Vivi > Ganondorf, so I say there's a pretty big chance
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#445 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/29/2013 7:20:27 AM | message detail
Ganon is going to get killed. I don't think Ganon has ever done well in a SFF scenario whether he is the stronger or weaker character.
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#446 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/29/2013 7:50:41 AM | message detail
Vivi has some strength so Ganondorf would have to resist a lot of SFF and then hope LFF doesn't kill him anyways
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#447 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/29/2013 7:54:55 AM | message detail | (edited)
LeonhartFour posted...
oh look it's Kanz being contrarian as usual


I'm still not sure why people are responding. I get being amped up on the day of Draven/Ryu/X but we've all had time to cool off and push Kanz to the side, to put him in the Strahax/Guiga/MWC etc box of "not worth taking seriously on basically any level". Certainly I have.
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#448 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/29/2013 7:55:30 AM | message detail
We have seen plenty of SFF situations that cost the stronger character their deserved second place. Ganondorf certainly has a shot, but I lean towards Vivi as the only non-Nintendo guy.
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#449 | lightning-02 | Posted 8/29/2013 7:56:48 AM | message detail
Maybe yourself and Leonhart should make a thread for your playground politics instead of constantly heckling people posting on topic.
#450 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/29/2013 8:01:25 AM | message detail
I think the only case of a "SFF/LFF don't matter" in the contest was the Kefka match