Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1134

#1 | paulg235 | Posted 8/28/2013 1:46:55 PM | message detail
Still shaped like a boot, still kicking your ass.

~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
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~*Character Contest Histories*~
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~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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~*Daily Vote Trends - An Explanation for Dummies*~
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~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 1:47:35 PM | message detail
#3 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 1:56:24 PM | message detail
Shaped like a boot to kick Draven's ass.
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#4 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/28/2013 1:56:59 PM | message detail
Looks like Wrex will have to save Gamefaqs.
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#5 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:07:25 PM | message detail
I'm trying to imagine Reddit trying to rally Draven against L-Block. This could.....this could work. Hail L.
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#6 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:19:10 PM | message detail
Reposting to see what everyone thinks:

Kanzaris
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It doesn't really matter if Auron trims it down because we know what'll happen when he does.


We post a topic on /r/gaming, upvote it en masse and see if that shuts L-Block down?

(Seriously considering doing this, but only if people are gonna show up and upvote it. This match is as good as any to see if the casualest big gaming group can be leveraged to vote for anyone at all.)


Thoughts? Since the match is already being influenced, do we use it as a testbed for how a non-LoL entity can do with reddit rallies?
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#7 | Scarlettail | Posted 8/28/2013 2:20:36 PM | message detail
Wahoo L-block.

This is sweet, but I'm not a fan enough to see it go past Samus.
#8 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:22:28 PM | message detail
Kanz why do you think Auron will benefit from a /r/gaming more than L Block?
#9 | Kibago | Posted 8/28/2013 2:23:03 PM | message detail
why would we test anything now when we can use missingno/squall
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#10 | WhiteLens | Posted 8/28/2013 2:23:11 PM | message detail
Any takers on Missingno beating Squall?
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#11 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:23:23 PM | message detail
L-Block is perhaps the single hardest character to rally against. I mean, it's a tetris piece. You're more likely to get people to vote for L.
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#12 | Kikoman589 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:24:55 PM | message detail | (edited)
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Thoughts? Since the match is already being influenced, do we use it as a testbed for how a non-LoL entity can do with reddit rallies?

I think it would be a nice experiment, but for another important battle.
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#13 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2013 2:24:12 PM | message detail
kanz hasn't been back one day and you're all already taking the bait just ignore him

L-Block has a much better chance of booting Samus's ass than Auron does of coming back here.
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#14 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 2:24:41 PM | message detail
WhiteLens posted...
Any takers on Missingno beating Squall?


Pretty sure lots of people are taking it after this result and Missingno's match pic.
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#15 | shane15 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:25:20 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
L-Block is perhaps the single hardest character to rally against. I mean, it's a tetris piece. You're more likely to get people to vote for L.


This is why joke characters should be banned.How the hell are you meant to rally when even the fanbase of what you're rallying would probably pick the joke anyway
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#16 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:25:59 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Kanz why do you think Auron will benefit from a /r/gaming more than L Block?


Because people care for Auron. L-Block is a meta-entrant. I know a dude who literally grinds Tetris The Grand Master 3 (also known as 'Invisible Ultraspeed Super Tetris') and he still wouldn't vote for L-Block because he doesn't care about contests or knows a thing about them, and he has played and loved FFX.

red sox 777 posted...
L-Block is perhaps the single hardest character to rally against. I mean, it's a tetris piece. You're more likely to get people to vote for L.


That works for me too, though! I mostly just want to see what kind of effect /r/gaming can have if you give a rally a big visibility push. So, are we doing this or not, gents?
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#17 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2013 2:27:50 PM | message detail
This isn't about jokes, it's about the format. L-Block is fine (though I don't particularly care for it) in a 1v1 contest. But when you use an undesirable format like multiways you shouldn't be upset if something screwy happens - that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.
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#18 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:29:00 PM | message detail
So there isn't vote stuffing?And when I made my bracket I wanted to take L-Block to reach the division finals but I thought nobody still cared for the block.I was wrong again.
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#19 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:30:08 PM | message detail
Kikoman589 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Thoughts? Since the match is already being influenced, do we use it as a testbed for how a non-LoL entity can do with reddit rallies?

I think it would be a nice experiment, but for another important battle.


Which one? Missingno/Squall? I wouldn't be opposed to that either, but in that case we prolly need to start preparing for it early. It's a gimme that a Missingno rally thread is gonna go up in /r/pokemon, so ideally both threads should hit the ground running with a huge bunch of upvotes to give them plenty of visibility.
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#20 | Avalionis | Posted 8/28/2013 2:31:40 PM | message detail
WhiteLens posted...
Any takers on Missingno beating Squall?


MissingNo, a Pokemon character, verses Squall, a Final Fantasy character? Yeah, my money's on the pokemon. I imagine Pikachu or Charizard will make it to the Final 3, along with Link, and either L Block, or Cube.
#21 | swordz9 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:32:49 PM | message detail
Dammit L BLock you were supposed to roll over and die when Auron got ahead of you earlier.
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#22 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:32:51 PM | message detail
Avalionis posted...
WhiteLens posted...
Any takers on Missingno beating Squall?


MissingNo, a Pokemon character, verses Squall, a Final Fantasy character? Yeah, my money's on the pokemon. I imagine Pikachu or Charizard will make it to the Final 3, along with Link, and either L Block, or Cube.


There is no god and GameFAQS needs to give its contests over to something like NeoGAF if Mario doesn't make the finals. Plumber supremacy or bust!
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#23 | xp1337 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:33:19 PM | message detail
Alternatively we could leave Squall/Missingno alone and see what happens.
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#24 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:34:12 PM | message detail
This match makes no sense
I believe L-Block to be weaker than in 2010,where Charizard put 60% on it (pre HGSS boost)
Is Auron really that weaker than Charizard or the L-Block boosted for god knows what reason?
Or is it because it's 3 ways?
But...also Pikachu owned L-Block in 4 ways in 2008...so...I don't get it
There is no reason for L-Block to beat Auron unless it boosted
#25 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:34:16 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
Alternatively we could leave Squall/Missingno alone and see what happens.


Who wants to watch Squall 60-40 the entire poll though?

(It's me, I'm the guy who wants to watch that)
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#26 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:34:46 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
This match makes no sense
I believe L-Block to be weaker than in 2010,where Charizard put 60% on it (pre HGSS boost)
Is Auron really that weaker than Charizard or the L-Block boosted for god knows what reason?
Or is it because it's 3 ways?
But...also Pikachu owned L-Block in 4 ways in 2008...so...I don't get it
There is no reason for L-Block to beat Auron unless it boosted


Low votals and a radicalized userbase. It explains pretty much everything wrong with this contest no matter who your favorite characters are.
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#27 | xp1337 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:34:55 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
xp1337 posted...
Alternatively we could leave Squall/Missingno alone and see what happens.


Who wants to watch Squall 60-40 the entire poll though?

sounds like a plan
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#28 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:35:07 PM | message detail
I'd hate to ruin Squall's shot at Mario with Red before it happens, when we can already get a Pokemon and/or joke to the finals to face Draven even without Missingno.

But after Crono losing I almost don't care anymore. And there aren't many opportunities left for this testing before Link/Draven.
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#29 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:35:27 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
This match makes no sense
I believe L-Block to be weaker than in 2010,where Charizard put 60% on it (pre HGSS boost)
Is Auron really that weaker than Charizard or the L-Block boosted for god knows what reason?
Or is it because it's 3 ways?
But...also Pikachu owned L-Block in 4 ways in 2008...so...I don't get it
There is no reason for L-Block to beat Auron unless it boosted


L-Block has returned to put a stop to the madness known as Draven
he'll succeed where Mega Man X failed

(lol I dunno)
#30 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:37:04 PM | message detail
I don't understand why we need a "test" rally
If it works..great
If it fails..so what? it means we won't do another rally in the Link/Draven? (or other match)
There is no reason to check if a rally can work in an unimportant match
#31 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:37:30 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
I don't understand why we need a "test" rally
If it works..great
If it fails..so what? it means we won't do another rally in the Link/Draven? (or other match)
There is no reason to check if a rally can work in an unimportant match


if it messes up, you know what to fix
#32 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:37:39 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I'd hate to ruin Squall's shot at Mario with Red before it happens, when we can already get a Pokemon and/or joke to the finals to face Draven even without Missingno.

But after Crono losing I almost don't care anymore. And there aren't many opportunities left for this testing before Link/Draven.


My thoughts on this are thus: I'm pretty sure Nanis can confirm that a Missingno rally thread is gonna go up on the Pokemon subreddit. Given that, there's no harm done in putting one up in /r/gaming too - they both have big userbases and, at worst, an already stompy match will get stompier. At best, they will balance out and the match will play as it would have without interference, but with much higher votals. Sounds like a win/win to me.
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#33 | xp1337 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:39:08 PM | message detail
The idea that any rally attempt at all isn't going to be to Squall's detriment is just silly.

All this rally stuff is getting pretty tiresome to me!
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#34 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:39:19 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
I don't understand why we need a "test" rally
If it works..great
If it fails..so what? it means we won't do another rally in the Link/Draven? (or other match)
There is no reason to check if a rally can work in an unimportant match


Because it if it succeeds, it means that you can get people to care about non-LoL characters and it might be possible to parlay that into heightened interest in the contest throughout the rest of its run. That's what everybody wants, really.
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#35 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2013 2:40:36 PM | message detail
The more rallies you put up, the worse Squall will do. This is pretty indisputable. If you want that, it is in your interests to do so. If not, stop listening to kanzzzz
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#36 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:40:44 PM | message detail
Does L-Block has a change against Samus?It will be a 24 hour match so there can be a big rally.
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#37 | transience | Posted 8/28/2013 2:40:54 PM | message detail
I assume there's some kind of rally going on? these updates are really random.
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#38 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:41:29 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
The more rallies you put up, the worse Squall will do. This is pretty indisputable. If you want that, it is in your interests to do so. If not, stop listening to kanzzzz


I want to hear the basis of this. 'Popular character from popular series does worse as the casual userbase increases' seems pretty illogical to me.
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#39 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:41:46 PM | message detail
transience posted...
I assume there's some kind of rally going on? these updates are really random.


/v/ rallying the block, ayup.
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#40 | Kinglicious | Posted 8/28/2013 2:43:24 PM | message detail | (edited)
L Block understands that Link can't do job. He's been beaten down, proving he's the best, and is tired. L Block stood on top once, he thought once was enough and was letting someone else stand in his place. He proved his point.

But now Link is challenged like never before. He's a bit rusty, but he's got one more run in him to prove that when it comes to kicking asses in a match, nothing tops the tetromino boot.
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#41 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 2:43:18 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
I want to hear the basis of this. 'Popular character from popular series does worse as the casual userbase increases' seems pretty illogical to me.


You know exactly why

And as such it's completely illogical to actually respond to this so please nobody do it
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#42 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:44:38 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
I want to hear the basis of this. 'Popular character from popular series does worse as the casual userbase increases' seems pretty illogical to me.


You know exactly why

And as such it's completely illogical to actually respond to this so please nobody do it


why are you even responding and quoting his posts
#43 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:45:56 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
I want to hear the basis of this. 'Popular character from popular series does worse as the casual userbase increases' seems pretty illogical to me.


You know exactly why

And as such it's completely illogical to actually respond to this so please nobody do it


No, I actually don't. Why do we assume people care about Missingno if they're casual and not into the contest? Like actual IRL jokes, contest jokes get weaker with each new outing because they become stale. Are you assuming a huge nostalgia pull for Missingno? If so it does not make any sense to assume a GameFAQS only slugfest is gonna help Squall, because this site is absolutely stuck in the past and loves to cling to Pokémon's nuts. Introducing new and younger voters who might not know the characters makes it a battle of character design, and Squall and Ammy have Missingno beat on that.
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#44 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:48:39 PM | message detail
Why do we assume people care about Missingno if they're casual and not into the contest?

Really?
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#45 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 2:49:41 PM | message detail
I only quoted that post just so people realize Kanz is intentionally trolling and thus there's no reason to bother responding to anything he says

Because he's not so stupid that he doesn't understand why rallying for FF will backfire wherever you go.
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#46 | pjbasis | Posted 8/28/2013 2:50:58 PM | message detail
Yeah I think casuals only help Squall.
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#47 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/28/2013 2:51:43 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I only quoted that post just so people realize Kanz is intentionally trolling and thus there's no reason to bother responding to anything he says

Because he's not so stupid that he doesn't understand why rallying for FF will backfire wherever you go.


Ah, so the argument is that FF going downhill in the last decade-ish has poisoned the goodwill for it. Yeah, that actually sounds believable...but then I look at GameSpot's Best Series contest and I start to doubt. It doesn't seem to pass the eyeball test for me.

charmander6000 posted...
Why do we assume people care about Missingno if they're casual and not into the contest?

Really?


Yeah. Younger voters who didn't play RBY, think about those. Why would they care about Missingno?
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#48 | DSRKVRTheDealer | Posted 8/28/2013 2:52:21 PM | message detail
lol

I have L-Block winning this match in my bracket. Have Auron > L > Ezio in Expert. >_>
#49 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:53:20 PM | message detail
Personally I think rallying on a neutral place is pretty much risky for every character
We don't know /r/gaming population
They can be like...the oppostie of Gamefaqs- hates Nintendo,Final Fantasy,Pokemon...and like westren games like Call of Duty
Maybe 90% of them plays LoL
Maybe "Dragonborn" is Noble Nine material there

We just don't know,that's why it's risky to rally there for anyone really
Unless someone from here visits that subreddit often and can tell us what they like the most?
#50 | pjbasis | Posted 8/28/2013 2:53:34 PM | message detail
Oh but the question is about rallying.

No, rallying on internet boards is an easy way to just get joke votes
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