Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1132

#351 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 9:24:06 PM | message detail
I'm tempted to throw in the towel on Sonic if Sonic characters fold this much in the presence of Nintendo. It ain't like Bowser should be far off what Kirby scored on him in 2010, and Mewtwo is not gonna give a damn about the others. Consider it Charizard's warmup for killing Mario and Samus.
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#352 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:24:33 PM | message detail
Ezio was a brand new character in 2010.

In 2013, he's an established character who's had a very well received trilogy.

You can connect the dots from there.
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#353 | xp1337 | Posted 8/27/2013 9:24:51 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
SAMUS WHAT ARE YOU DOING

new theory

zss is actually a boost for samus.

tifa was just a monster in 2006 who would have beat samus under normal circumstances
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#354 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:25:51 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I'm tempted to throw in the towel on Sonic if Sonic characters fold this much in the presence of Nintendo.


Sonic didn't fold to Ganon or Kirby!

why does every contest end with everyone abandoning Sonic while I continue to support him beyond reason
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#355 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/27/2013 9:26:17 PM | message detail
ZSS was unfamiliar to a lot of people in 2006. That Brawl trailer was enough to boost Snake, but it probably wasn't enough to get everyone to react the same way to ZSS and regular ol' Samus.
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#356 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/27/2013 9:26:25 PM | message detail
zss is actually a boost for samus.

More like ZSS is holding her back, can't even break 80% on fodder.
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#357 | Sniperdog117 | Posted 8/27/2013 9:26:33 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
SAMUS WHAT ARE YOU DOING

new theory

zss is actually a boost for samus.

tifa was just a monster in 2006 who would have beat samus under normal circumstances


ZSS could help, as Brawl has made people aware that is Samus.
#358 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 9:27:00 PM | message detail
And now we have TWO big examples of Sonic folding disproportionately (as in, more than actual Nintendo characters) to Nintendo - this match and Link/Sonic. The Noble Nine's officially got a hit out on it now.
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#359 | ZFS | Posted 8/27/2013 9:28:42 PM | message detail | (edited)
So what are we saying with Pokemon? It seems like people give it the benefit of all Nintendo matches and SFF matches, so is it even, as far as the contests go, a 'Nintendo' thing or just 'Pokemon,' sort of its own deal? Sonic is screwed, though, if only because of Bowser.
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#360 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/27/2013 9:28:25 PM | message detail
But the thing with Sonic is that if he's truly a "Nintendo" character now, than as a Noble 9er, the face of a huge franchise, and Mario's freakin' rival, he SHOULD be strong enough to SFF Nintendo characters outright, and it didn't seem like he did that with Kirby. If Sonic does the same to Bowser and finishes with a 55/45 split, Mewtwo could reap the benefits and win.
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#361 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:28:47 PM | message detail
Sonic is the exception!

THE EXCEPTION

Regardless, there's a big difference between Link and Samus, and Bowser and Mewtwo. It's not like Bowser's held up like a champ to good Nintendo characters either. Remember that Mewtwo put up a really good number on him in 2007 simply because Toad was in the poll.

Mewtwo's just the wild card.
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#362 | xp1337 | Posted 8/27/2013 9:28:50 PM | message detail
Do I have to explicitly mark when I'm not serious? =(

I would have thought "ZSS is a boost!" would be self-evident!
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#363 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 9:29:07 PM | message detail
Pokemon is clearly Nintendo - it's severely hurt other Nintendo entities in the past. It just... resists SFF more than any other Ninty entity out there.
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#364 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/27/2013 9:29:19 PM | message detail
I doubt Sonic would fold to any Nintendo character outside of Link, Mario and Samus.

We've seen him beat guys like Ganondorf, Kirby and Luigi before. The major problem is if Pokemon is independent enough that him and Bowser hinder each other far more than they do Mewtwo.
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#365 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/27/2013 9:31:10 PM | message detail | (edited)
Ezio/L-Block's an interesting one. Ezio beat Tails by roughly the same margin that Kratos did in 2010, and Kratos outperformed L-Block on the Zard pretty heavily. But he's sharing the poll with Auron, a fellow male badass, which might let L get back in. BUT, jokes have been looking poor all contest, and even though he got 60% in R1, he did so against Teemo and Palutena.
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#366 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:30:17 PM | message detail
Yeah, the issue isn't really Sonic folding. It's Mewtwo being the most independent of the three, and Sonic and Bowser NOT folding to each other.
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#367 | ZFS | Posted 8/27/2013 9:31:36 PM | message detail
I dunno, it's just weird that in an all Nintendo match, Pokemon will often get treated as though it were completely independent, like a Square character almost. Doesn't seem like Pokemon runs into unfavorable circumstances, as far as these discussions go, unless there's another Pokemon there.
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#368 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/27/2013 9:32:27 PM | message detail
That's at least a change of pace from them being seen as the scrappy underdogs

It's time to accept our Pokemon overlords
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#369 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:32:31 PM | message detail
Well, Mewtwo will be affected. It's just a matter of how much. I think Sonic's a good bit stronger than Mewtwo 1-on-1 though.
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#370 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/27/2013 9:32:41 PM | message detail
Is anybody going to bother to rally for L-Block?
#371 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:33:37 PM | message detail
#372 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 9:34:03 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
I dunno, it's just weird that in an all Nintendo match, Pokemon will often get treated as though it were completely independent, like a Square character almost. Doesn't seem like Pokemon runs into unfavorable circumstances, as far as these discussions go, unless there's another Pokemon there.


Hey, I'm not saying it's fair! Pokemon obviously gets hurt to an extent but that's when it's getting leeched against truly independent entities like Square, MGS, etc. Against all-Nintendo opponents, that isn't a problem.
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#373 | ZFS | Posted 8/27/2013 9:34:18 PM | message detail
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
That's at least a change of pace from them being seen as the scrappy underdogs

It's time to accept our Pokemon overlords


I'm already bracing for the Mario loss to one of these dumb things Pokemon the crusher of dreams really what kind of champion is it
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#374 | creativename | Posted 8/27/2013 9:34:44 PM | message detail
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Holy crap, 61%? With that picture? What a god damn crusher. I really doubt this chick loses to Cloud 1v1 now.

Yeah, Samus has likely stayed constant (nobody played Other M so no deboost) while Cloud has tanked. Samus should have this even in a 24 hour match.

Cloud would have scored between 53%-53.75% on Samus in a 24 hour match last contest, but it looks very likely Cloud has dropped more than 4 points in strength.
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#375 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:34:57 PM | message detail
You should just root for Squall > Mario so you don't have to suffer the ignominy of losing to Pokeymanz
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#376 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 9:35:06 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Samus finally loses percentage.


All to Catherine. Knuckles is still dying.

How close is Catherine going to get to Knux
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#377 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/27/2013 9:36:37 PM | message detail
Only a matter of time before she cuts Knuckles
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#378 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/27/2013 9:36:42 PM | message detail
Knux getting trip
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#379 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/27/2013 9:37:22 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
I dunno, it's just weird that in an all Nintendo match, Pokemon will often get treated as though it were completely independent, like a Square character almost. Doesn't seem like Pokemon runs into unfavorable circumstances, as far as these discussions go, unless there's another Pokemon there.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3504

FFX advancing over RBY is commonly credited to OoT and SSBM hurting RBY.
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#380 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/27/2013 9:37:39 PM | message detail
Goddamn you Catherine
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#381 | LOLContests | Posted 8/27/2013 9:38:39 PM | message detail
Man, Samus hasn't had anything good in five years (six if you don't count Brawl). How is she still so popular?
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#382 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:40:59 PM | message detail
Trend chart from the day match:

Time | G&W | Drake | Blue | Votes
0:05 | 14.18% | 36.28% | 49.54% | 543
1:00 | 16.75% | 34.41% | 48.84% | 4705
2:00 | 18.14% | 34.33% | 47.53% | 3600
3:00 | 19.94% | 32.74% | 47.33% | 3085
4:00 | 18.82% | 33.77% | 47.41% | 2843
5:00 | 19.84% | 34.62% | 45.54% | 2666
6:00 | 17.92% | 33.27% | 48.81% | 2444
7:00 | 20.16% | 35.86% | 43.98% | 2292
8:00 | 20.40% | 33.94% | 45.65% | 2127
9:00 | 18.57% | 34.99% | 46.44% | 1869
10:00 | 18.84% | 35.24% | 45.91% | 1799
11:00 | 18.57% | 33.23% | 48.20% | 1691
12:00 | 19.91% | 31.86% | 48.23% | 1497

Trends here aren't really consistent, but I'd wager it's because these are all day characters.

X-Stats:

Pokemon Trainer Blue – 50.00%
Fox McCloud – 47.79%
Nathan Drake – 41.95%
Pac-Man – 40.39%
Mr. Game & Watch – 28.49%
Lee Everett – 27.52%
Steve – 26.60%
Meat Boy – 20.97%
Wolf O’Donnell – 13.86%

Blue's prediction percentage was 14.27%
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#383 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:41:18 PM | message detail
LOLContests posted...
Man, Samus hasn't had anything good in five years (six if you don't count Brawl). How is she still so popular?


Design and nostalgia.
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#384 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/27/2013 9:41:40 PM | message detail
dat Wolf
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#385 | ZFS | Posted 8/27/2013 9:43:06 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
You should just root for Squall > Mario so you don't have to suffer the ignominy of losing to Pokeymanz


I'm rooting for Squall to not lose to the glitch. That picture, man.
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#386 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:43:51 PM | message detail
I'm calling shenanigans if Squall loses
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#387 | creativename | Posted 8/27/2013 9:45:04 PM | message detail
LOLContests posted...
Man, Samus hasn't had anything good in five years (six if you don't count Brawl). How is she still so popular?

The last 7 years don't even exist to most of the people on this site.
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#388 | ZFS | Posted 8/27/2013 9:45:46 PM | message detail
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3504

FFX advancing over RBY is commonly credited to OoT and SSBM hurting RBY.


This is what it takes to disadvantage Pokemon - Smash Bros. and the most popular Zelda ever, and even then not enough to hurt it too much! Still in 3% range of winning. Pokemon. Does anyone else remember Xenogears?
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#389 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:46:06 PM | message detail
Current X-Stats:

Samus Aran – 50.00%
Knuckles the Echidna – 26.24%
Sandbag – 21.58%
Celes Chere – 20.90%
Catherine – 20.11%
Neku Sakuraba – 19.60%
Seifer Almasy – 17.54%
Isaac Clarke – 15.56%
Vaas Montenegro – 14.43%
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#390 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 9:46:39 PM | message detail
If Squall has remained constant (a... dicey proposition, but let's assume it for now), Mario needs to be scared to death of him if he gets past Missingno. Red is almost assuredly going to be in that match. The picsmiths are undoubtedly going to make sure he looks like the incarnation of RBY itself.

And he. Will. Not. Fold. How much damage can Mario take?
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#391 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:47:16 PM | message detail
Squall is the strongest FF character now, so I think he can do it.
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#392 | creativename | Posted 8/27/2013 9:47:28 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
You should just root for Squall > Mario so you don't have to suffer the ignominy of losing to Pokeymanz


I'm rooting for Squall to not lose to the glitch. That picture, man.

Bacon, you can quit rigging things in favor of Pokemon anytime now.

Really, anytime now.

I'm expecting a Keanu Reeves/Vincent Vega type pic for Sora now.

Quick - let's try to find the worst possible pics for Sora out there! Just so we are prepared for the inevitable.
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#393 | ZFS | Posted 8/27/2013 9:47:54 PM | message detail
Red sux Mario will put some red human SFF on that
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#394 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:49:04 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Quick - let's try to find the worst possible pics for Sora out there! Just so we are prepared for the inevitable.


http://images.wikia.com/kingdomhearts/images/archive/e/eb/20090716130435!Sora_(Atlantica)_CG.jpg
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#395 | ZFS | Posted 8/27/2013 9:49:24 PM | message detail
But you know the more I think about it, one more reason to get rid of multiways - it hurts everyone but Pokemon.
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#396 | creativename | Posted 8/27/2013 9:49:33 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Red sux Mario will put some red human SFF on that

Red seems to have better fashion sense than Mario though, could be rSFF.

I mean suspenders, come on now Mario.
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#397 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:50:28 PM | message detail
Good thing about Squall/Red/Mario is that Squall will stand out like crazy there.

BRIGHT RED CHEERINESS vs. DARK AND BROODING BLACKNESS
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#398 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 9:52:00 PM | message detail
And then if Squall gets by Mario, the titans of Samus and Charizard smash into each other, each refusing to budge an inch, and Squall Lionhearts his way through again.

All paving the way for - you guessed it...

Snake/Squall V: The Revengeancing
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#399 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 8/27/2013 9:52:04 PM | message detail
probably concept art sora

http://i.imgur.com/jYqyMFQ.png

or little babby sora

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maybe sick naked sora

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and my favorite: giant dice sora

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#400 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 9:52:51 PM | message detail