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is it me or is the only match those pics might change adding an outside shot at DK>Zelda? --- "L-Block 2007 Character Battle Champion"Always remember "L-Block, shaped like a boot to kick your ass" |
Can't believe I just noticed missingno quote now And I wondered why Nick said Missingno>Squall before lol Another two cases of Pokeconspiracy coming up? (missingno quote and Zelda picture) |
All aboard the Squirtle > Cloud train! --- Not changing this sig until the Bengals, Bills, 49ers and Lions win the Super Bowl (10/10/10) Professional UotY Mentor to Leo3Leo, McFlubbin and Jeff Zero |
im317 posted... is it me or is the only match those pics might change adding an outside shot at DK>Zelda? Zelda is a tier above DK. Since neither character's power fluctuates much with their match picture, even a sabotage wouldn't give DK the boost he needs to beat Zelda. --- PSN - Aevio "I'm on a Goomba." - BlackMageJawa |
Missingno
should be stronger compared to last match (Pokemon look stronger this
round, 'quote' factor, day match)... but the gap between Tidus and
Squall is a phenomenal chasm (Squall 2010 gets over 64% on Tidus 2010
indirectly). Squall would have to fall off a cliff harder than the FF7
boys while Tidus somehow stayed constant or boosted to lose, assuming
nothing fraudulent. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Wow, that Zelda picture. Why. Missingno's is pretty full on joke mode. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
ZFS posted... Wow, that Zelda picture. Why. Who submitted that Zelda pic? The same guy who submitted that abomination (AKA, paulg)? --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
ZFS posted... Wow, that Zelda picture. Why. paulg --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Karma Hunter posted... ZFS posted...Wow, that Zelda picture. Why. Worst. Picsmith. EVAR. --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Karma Hunter posted... Missingno should be stronger compared to last match (Pokemon look stronger this round, 'quote' factor, day match)... but the gap between Tidus and Squall is a phenomenal chasm (Squall 2010 gets over 64% on Tidus 2010 indirectly). Squall would have to fall off a cliff harder than the FF7 boys while Tidus somehow stayed constant or boosted to lose, assuming nothing fraudulent. Pokemon, not Tales, is the example of a constant fanbase explains Pikachu round 1-->round 2 :P |
PAULG dammit The sabotage continues. Did no one else submit a good Zelda pic? Augh. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
1337gamerpr0 posted... Karma Hunter posted...Missingno should be stronger compared to last match (Pokemon look stronger this round, 'quote' factor, day match)... but the gap between Tidus and Squall is a phenomenal chasm (Squall 2010 gets over 64% on Tidus 2010 indirectly). Squall would have to fall off a cliff harder than the FF7 boys while Tidus somehow stayed constant or boosted to lose, assuming nothing fraudulent. If Missingno loses as much from R1 to R2 as Pikachu did from R1 to R2, it's going to lose. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
While not a recognizeable Zelda,she does kinda look like how..."Zeldas" should look So it's not THAT much of a sabotage |
it's only a tiny sabotage really Charizard was going to win anyway but he didn't need this --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
I'm all for blaming paulg but: FAHtastic posted... Aw, out of all the intentionally terrible pics I submitted, he only used my Zelda one? And it wasn't even the worst one I submitted. Meh well. Unless you mean paulg caused people to want to try and sabotage everyone, in which case you would be correct. --- ~FFDragon. (at Work !!) The Cream of Resident Evil Fanboyism. |
Crimson Dragoon posted... I'm all for blaming paulg but: I'm not saying it's not possible for two people to submit the same picture, but paulg already said that he submitted that particular Zelda earlier. Edit: Relevant post if you wish to judge for yourself - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67084312/755987467 --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
paulg is not a person. paulg is an affliction. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Wow, G Dubs is still going up. --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Blaming the person that submitted the picture is dumb Someone can submit 7 pictures all of each different form of Missingno and I wouldn't blame him if Allen decides to use one of them It's the admin fault,imo (for reference- http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/b7/Missingno.png) |
Karma Hunter posted... Crimson Dragoon posted...I'm all for blaming paulg but: This is Spirit Tracks Zelda,not Wind Waker I don't think Tetra was in ST |
Fayt_Esteed posted... Wow, G Dubs is still going up. aha nice jinx btw, are there nomination totals for this contest (or any previous contest) |
I'm
hardly miffed at this point. Attempted sabotage is part of the game at
this point, and it's yet another factor to consider when making your
picks. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Nanis23 posted... Karma Hunter posted...Crimson Dragoon posted...I'm all for blaming paulg but: I can't tell the difference personally then. It's kind of a distinction without a difference, at any rate. Either one would seem to be equally unhelpful to Zelda! --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
1337gamerpr0 posted... Fayt_Esteed posted...Wow, G Dubs is still going up. Dang, that was mistimed --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Oh yeah I don't think there is a difference actually The artwork is from Spirit Tracks,but this is the same looking Zelda from Wind Waker (and seems like Minish Cap Zelda looks like this too) http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_Zelda |
Drake's made a couple of cuts on Blue, by the way. I still really don't think this is a good performance. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
No one's going to tell the difference between Super Mario Galaxy Mario and New Super Mario Bros. Wii Mario either. The difference between cel-shaded Link and Zelda is the same. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 |
If you really wanted to use Spirit Tracks Zelda, shoulda gone possessed Darknut --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 |
Yea
this performance by Blue is a tad underwhelming. I'm not entirely sure
what to make out of Drake. In anycase, I think Blue is a very easy 3rd
in his next match. --- http://i.imgur.com/32RNLnc.gif |
Not_Wylvane posted... Reminder: Drake was behind Link/Luigi SFF in 2010. Same with Amaterasu and The Boss, who both did much better than expected. Also, how would Fox be faring here? --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy II - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557012 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
Sorozone posted... Yea this performance by Blue is a tad underwhelming. I'm not entirely sure what to make out of Drake. In anycase, I think Blue is a very easy 3rd in his next match. Sora's switching to his SFF keychain, too. It deals extra damage to SFFed characters! --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Fayt_Esteed posted... Sorozone posted...Yea this performance by Blue is a tad underwhelming. I'm not entirely sure what to make out of Drake. In anycase, I think Blue is a very easy 3rd in his next match. Sora used LFF! But it failed! Pikachu used Super SFF! Critical Hit! Blue fainted! Sora fainted! |
1337gamerpr0 posted... Fayt_Esteed posted...Sorozone posted...Yea this performance by Blue is a tad underwhelming. I'm not entirely sure what to make out of Drake. In anycase, I think Blue is a very easy 3rd in his next match. Dammit XD But in all seriousness, if neither Pika nor Blue folds, they'll likely SFF each other out of contention. --- "Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
I
don't think either Pikachu or Blue would just up and die, since they
both represent different things. Pikachu is cute, he's the mascot of the
series, and he's in Brawl. Blue is the villain of one of the most
popular games on this site, and people remember him being one step ahead
of the player at every turn. They're both Pokemon characters, but
they're liked for different reasons. --- Currently playing: Divekick |
Funny to see Game and Watch rising to the heavens here against Drake and Blue. Definitely not what I would have expected! Though I suppose it was because the early voters knew what the "real" match was and later voters didn't care. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
The
natural strength difference may be too much between Pikachu and Blue
for Blue to resist folding. He did look relatively equal to Fox, though,
so he might deserve the benefit of the doubt. Fox is no slouch -
holding non-sprite Snake 2010 to a doubling is pretty good. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Big Bob posted... I don't think either Pikachu or Blue would just up and die, since they both represent different things. Pikachu is cute, he's the mascot of the series, and he's in Brawl. Blue is the villain of one of the most popular games on this site, and people remember him being one step ahead of the player at every turn. They're both Pokemon characters, but they're liked for different reasons. THIS is why Pikachu's probably screwed. if it was, say, Jigglypuff as the 3rd, it wouldn't mean anything. Pikachu would just pull out the Link-style and take what he needed. but Pikachu and Blue have completely different types of support. I could see Blue avoiding the Pika-doubling. Pikachu needs a rally or he needs Sora to lay an all-time turd. --- Leafs / Raptors / Blue Jays / TFC / Argos / Tottenham We'll get 'em next year. |
Karma Hunter posted... The natural strength difference may be too much between Pikachu and Blue for Blue to resist folding. He did look relatively equal to Fox, though, so he might deserve the benefit of the doubt. Fox is no slouch - holding non-sprite Snake 2010 to a doubling is pretty good. Fox doubled Pikachu in 2003, Blue is safe /misusing stats (obligatory 2003 Magus is worth ~93% on 2013 Magus using constant Pikachu and no SFF adjustment) |
On this talk of 64 vs. 128 brackets, and 12 hour vs. 24 hour matches, I'd like to reiterate my former notion. Make the first round 3-ways with 192 characters. Avoid LFF/SFF like the plague. Also seed properly - for instance being an 18 seed in this contest was much worse than being a lower seed due to the silly bracketeering. The top seed should face the 26 and 27 seeds, not the 18 and 27. Then you have 64 characters moving on to round 2, with the chaffe being elimated. Also make round 1 12 hour matches. You'd eliminate 128 characters in the span of only 32 days. Second round onwards 24 hour matches. These matches are much more likely to have swings of momentum than 1st round matches, where they will either be complete blowouts, or the only close matches will be between weaker characters few care about. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Missingno definitely is going to win now |
StarStormScream posted... I made that type of suggestion a while back where we could have 192-Entry bracket, where only the first round would be 3-Ways, and after that, it would be a 64-entry 1v1 the rest of the way. I sent Allen a ticket over the weekend. He read it, but that's about it. *shrug* Oh, didn't see this. Great minds think alike! MegatokyoEd posted... With a 64 character bracket you're more likely to get guys like Yuri wasting spots while Tifa misses the contest. Agreed. Ideally we'd actually have a "Contest Czar" (someone like Ngamer would be a good choice) - where the bracket wasn't decided by pure seeding. Which it isn't now anyways - Bacon obviously rigged this format for the Noble Nine to be 1 seeds, and there's plenty of other blatantly rigged seedings as well. The Czar would make a list of the characters we *know* are strong, or newcomers with a decent shot at being strong. And just because a random weakass characters gets enough noms, doesn't mean they automatically make it if they've proven to be worthless (e.g. Jade Curtiss). So the bracket would be a mix of nominations based seedings, and just "common sense" based inclusions of strong characters. No way should characters like Ryu or Tifa miss a bracket, ever. There should be exemptions, like "Sponsor Exemptions" in golf. So we don't have strong characters missing the field in favor of fodder for stupid reasons. Of course none of this will ever come to pass! Bacon would never go for it. But it's interesting to discuss. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Karma Hunter posted... I'm hardly miffed at this point. Attempted sabotage is part of the game at this point, and it's yet another factor to consider when making your picks. I really am despising the fact that it is becoming that way, though I do suppose you should be able to factor that Red or a Zelda character might get a post-RB or Toon look at any time. Whereas something like Turks Vincent should have never made it into the submission box to begin with. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! The artist formerly known as greatone10. |
hmm,
in 2010 Link was #1 overall with 1853 nominations, with ~90k total
nominations and the cutoffs before vote-ins was 196 by Jak and Ocelot 2013 has 25602 nominations in total, how many did Link and the pre vote-in people get? |
_SecretSquirrel posted... Karma Hunter posted...I'm hardly miffed at this point. Attempted sabotage is part of the game at this point, and it's yet another factor to consider when making your picks. You can honestly predict mostly based on the usual picsmiths' personal favoritism and by looking at their Guru brackets (if they have one). There are patterns. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Good
job ruining another semi debatable match guys. Zelda just went from an
outside shot of winning to struggling to hold 2nd from DK. Seriously
wtf? Thankfully there's only 1 ridiculous picture but still it's not
needed at all. |
Karma Hunter posted... _SecretSquirrel posted...Karma Hunter posted...I'm hardly miffed at this point. Attempted sabotage is part of the game at this point, and it's yet another factor to consider when making your picks. paulg had Vincent winning in Round 2 in his Guru bracket. --- Pokemon VGC2013 US National - 39th place Pokemon VGC2013 Worlds LCQ - Top 32 |
Karma Hunter posted... _SecretSquirrel posted...Karma Hunter posted...I'm hardly miffed at this point. Attempted sabotage is part of the game at this point, and it's yet another factor to consider when making your picks. As a picsmith, I'm fully aware that my favorites and bracket upsets do give me greater interest, but the attitude should be to give your upsets and favorites a boost with good artwork, not to sabotage the enemy. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! The artist formerly known as greatone10. |
Man, way too many characters have been swagger-jacking Crono's "..." quote. L-Block looks pretty fantastic. And Zelda...blah. Any chance she had just went out the window. Nanis23 posted... I don't think there needs to be a rule for what characters to be "locked" in a new bracket Such a limit wouldn't hurt Final Fantasy. Not even FF7 can get 7 characters into a contest even with 192 entrants. No other FF game can get more than 3-4. Unless you're lumping all FF games together, which would just be plain silly because they are totally unrelated. As I said before, if Mario/Zelda games were labeled under a "Nintendo I/II/III..." franchise, it would be the same thing. "Final Fantasy" is a meaningless umbrella term, except for the direct sequels. Also Pokemon limits by generation is a very bad idea. ALL Pokemon should be from RBY with 0 from any other generation. If you want a per-game cap, 6-7 is reasonable, and RBY is the only game it should effect. No other single game is going to pull in that many characters on noms alone. In general I think company/franchise caps are a terrible idea because some companies/franchises are so much bigger than others. A per game cap might be reasonable...but I don't think it would matter much because even RBY might have some trouble getting 6-7 characters in via noms alone. So yeah, caps are either a bad idea, or won't be able to make an actual difference. And any per-game cap wouldn't save us from worthless non-RBY Pokemon. Hence the Contest Czar notion being the best possible, most ideal solution - even if it would never happen. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Match C: (1) Samus Aran vs. (22) Catherine vs. (9) Knuckles the Echidna Previous Round Samus Aran 68.51% Sandbag 18.86% Isaac Clarke 12.63% Catherine 39.84% Neku Sakuraba 37.87% Vaas Montenegro 22.29% Knuckles the Echidna 46.21% Celes Chere 30.59% Seifer Almasy 23.20% Analysis This is one of the easiest matches to predict of the entire round. Samus placed a dominate performance, but we cannot take much information from the match. Isaac is an entirely new character and Sandbag was possibly SFF, not to mention joke characters have not looked impressive this contest. Still Samus would have to drop quite a bit before she is in danger of missing the fourth round. Catherine is in contention as one of the weakest characters to reach the second round. Needing a rally to defeat a character that lost to Laharl is not impressive. Regardless if she is the weakest character to reach the second round she is going to go for the lowest, non-SFF percent of the round. At least the other weakest character contenders avoided one of the strongest characters in the bracket. Knuckles could be a bit of wild card in this match. Even taking an Old Square boost into consideration his performance against Celes was pretty bad. We have not really had a decent read on Knuckles since 2005 and even in this match with Samus we may still not get a proper read on him. With that said I really doubt he will be anywhere close to losing against Catherine. Depending where Knuckles is ranked we could see Samus pushing into the high 50s and one of the largest blowouts of the entire round. It is likely Celes really is that strong and Knuckles will hold relatively well against Samus, provided he does not go get himself SFF, not that Samus is good at SFF most Nintendo characters. charmander6000s Bracket: Samus Aran > Knuckles the Echidna and Vaas Montenegro charmander6000s Prediction: Samus Aran 55.32%, Knuckles the Echidna 30.56%, Catherine 14.12% --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 98/129 Today's Picks: Sora and Fox McCloud |
I'm a bit torn. On the one hand, Samus has historically been just no good with SFF (although she did manage to SFF Zelda
last contest). On the other hand, Sonic characters have, especially
recently, proved AMAZINGLY susceptible to Nintendo SFF, more than actual
Nintendo characters. Samus tends to overperform in these setups so I'll
lean toward her doing so, ZSS and all. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
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