Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1132

#151 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/27/2013 12:26:02 PM | message detail
Wow people still following this match?
*checks*
Why is G&W 18%???
I didn't predict single digits but this is like 5% more than he should have
#152 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/27/2013 12:31:53 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Wow people still following this match?
*checks*
Why is G&W 18%???
I didn't predict single digits but this is like 5% more than he should have


Because he's a Smash character. Hell, Sandbag came in over 20%.
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#153 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 12:40:20 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Has anyone brought up how Blue's easy win here makes things look even harder for Wrex? I have a very hard time seeing the krogan taking first now that we're seeing Blue triple G&W with ease. I doubt Red can muster the same kind of SFF-shellacking on a more prominent Nintendo character in Wario, but Red should be stronger than Blue anyway, and who knows if Wrex is stronger than Drake at all.


Yeah, Wrex is doomed.

While Wario is stronger than G&W, he's shown repeatedly that he'll fold in the face of Nintendo competition and fold hard.
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#154 | Seanchan | Posted 8/27/2013 12:45:46 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Why not give byes to the stronger seeds until later rounds ala domestic soccer cups. Round one is for new noms and fodder. Winners get to face midcarders in round 2. Winners there face near elites in round 3. Finally have the elites/noble 9 enter in round 4.

You get to keep more characters involved and have more interesting/close/debateable matches in each round.


The main issue is seeding does not directly translate into strength, just look at all the seeding upsets this contest has had.


The "seeding" would be based on strength not nominations. So someone like ryu wouldn't get put into round 1 because of low nominations. He would enter in round 3 because he'd easily beat 90-100% of round 1 and 2 entrants.
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#155 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 12:48:23 PM | message detail
Hey, I'm not convinced Wrex isn't significantly above Drake. Wario will probably hold up better than G&W, so Wrex has a chance depending how much he can beat Drake by.

...the more pressing issue is I've never bought Blue > Red or even Blue = Red, so that probably shuts it down right there.
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#156 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/27/2013 12:50:07 PM | message detail
I'm thinking Wario may fold worse than G&W to SFF, even if he's naturally stronger. No one actually likes Wario.
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#157 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 12:50:22 PM | message detail
Trend chart from the night match:

Time | Sora | Gilga | Yoshi | Votes
0:05 | 50.72% | 33.52% | 15.76% | 698
1:00 | 52.05% | 30.37% | 17.59% | 4515
2:00 | 50.49% | 31.08% | 18.43% | 2648
3:00 | 49.74% | 30.43% | 19.83% | 1952
4:00 | 46.82% | 31.41% | 21.77% | 1557
5:00 | 44.22% | 33.81% | 21.97% | 1393
6:00 | 45.31% | 33.55% | 21.14% | 1258
7:00 | 46.78% | 31.55% | 21.67% | 1477
8:00 | 48.14% | 32.97% | 18.89% | 1747
9:00 | 50.79% | 31.68% | 17.52% | 2020
10:00 | 48.81% | 32.03% | 19.16% | 2020
11:00 | 51.24% | 31.42% | 17.34% | 2018
12:00 | 49.68% | 30.79% | 19.53% | 1900

Stop me when you've heard this one before: Sora struggles with the night vote. Nobody's looking forward to 24 hour matches more than he is!

X-Stats:

Sora – 50.00%
Scorpion – 42.78%
Gilgamesh – 38.95%
Booker DeWitt – 32.34%
Aya Brea – 27.98%
Yoshimitsu – 27.95%
Lu Bu – 24.23%
Groose – 20.50%
Kaim Argonar – 14.19%

Sora's prediction percentage was 60.10%
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#158 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2013 12:50:41 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
This is a good result for Blue. People underestimate Pac-man's strength - Mewtwo got 'only' 62% on him back in 2008. Blue is currently getting 59% on a slightly stronger character, and that's with MGAW in the poll.

That implies Mewtwo had a fair match with Pac-Man, which is deceptive. Are you using the Mewtwo who faced Ness, or the Mewtwo who faced Midna?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3267
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3287

Mewtwo had handicaps too, and his leeches were stronger than Mr. Game And Watch. This is an fine win for Blue...but this isn't on Mewtwo's level.
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#159 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 12:51:02 PM | message detail
Hey, Wario *did* beat Captain Falcon in a Nintendo SFF fest.

...I'm utterly shocked that he did and am still kind of confused as to how that result happened, but he did it!
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#160 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 12:54:33 PM | message detail
Current X-Stats:

Pokemon Trainer Blue – 50.00%
Fox McCloud – 47.79%
Nathan Drake – 41.39%
Pac-Man – 39.85%
Mr. Game & Watch – 27.50%
Lee Everett – 26.57%
Steve – 26.25%
Meat Boy – 20.24%
Wolf O’Donnell – 13.86%
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#161 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 12:55:11 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Hey, Wario *did* beat Captain Falcon in a Nintendo SFF fest.

...I'm utterly shocked that he did and am still kind of confused as to how that result happened, but he did it!


While he was getting doubled by Fox, to boot!
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#162 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 12:55:46 PM | message detail
Although Wario probably won because Fox sapped Falcon's Smash support. He's a lot more tied to Fox than Wario is.
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#163 | Gooper Blooper | Posted 8/27/2013 1:03:20 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I'm thinking Wario may fold worse than G&W to SFF, even if he's naturally stronger. No one actually likes Wario.

I like Wario :<

As one of Nintendo's very few antiheroes, I find Wario to be an interesting change of pace from other Nintendo heroes. His games are pretty fun too. I always found it a shame Wario did so poorly in these contests.

Then again, I also like Vyse, Edgeworth, Laharl, Robotnik, and Ramza, so I'm used to seeing characters I like flop by now. At least Bowser does well.
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#164 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/27/2013 1:09:20 PM | message detail
Gooper Blooper posted...
red sox 777 posted...
I'm thinking Wario may fold worse than G&W to SFF, even if he's naturally stronger. No one actually likes Wario.

I like Wario :<

As one of Nintendo's very few antiheroes, I find Wario to be an interesting change of pace from other Nintendo heroes. His games are pretty fun too. I always found it a shame Wario did so poorly in these contests.

Then again, I also like Vyse, Edgeworth, Laharl, Robotnik, and Ramza, so I'm used to seeing characters I like flop by now. At least Bowser does well.


On the subject of Robotnik, I'm kinda shocked he didn't make it in again before this contest.
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#165 | swirIdude | Posted 8/27/2013 1:10:58 PM | message detail
Greyfeld posted...
I still think we need an Inanimate Object Contest!

Portal Gun vs. Gravity Gun, who you got?


Portal Gun

Is it sad that I want to see this contest? L-Block, ? Block and Portal Gun would be strong contenders for the title.
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#166 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/27/2013 1:11:06 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
This is a good result for Blue. People underestimate Pac-man's strength - Mewtwo got 'only' 62% on him back in 2008. Blue is currently getting 59% on a slightly stronger character, and that's with MGAW in the poll.

That implies Mewtwo had a fair match with Pac-Man, which is deceptive. Are you using the Mewtwo who faced Ness, or the Mewtwo who faced Midna?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3267
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3287

Mewtwo had handicaps too, and his leeches were stronger than Mr. Game And Watch. This is an fine win for Blue...but this isn't on Mewtwo's level.


I looked at that, and I think Blue is probably being hurt here more than Mewtwo was there, at least in relation to Pac-man. While Ness is a worse anchor than MGAW, Drake very much stands out in this poll as the only non-Nintendo, non-cutesy option, while Pac-man sorta overlaps with everyone. I don't think it makes a huge difference either way as Pokemon is traditionally just good at avoiding significant overlap period, but yeah.
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#167 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/27/2013 1:15:04 PM | message detail
Hey,Gravity Gun was the biggest thing before the Portal Gun
They can be pretty similar in strength...but I believe Portal Gun will SFF Gravity Gun into the ground in a direct match (yeah you heard it guns SFF each other)
#168 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/27/2013 1:23:45 PM | message detail
swirIdude posted...
Greyfeld posted...
I still think we need an Inanimate Object Contest!

Portal Gun vs. Gravity Gun, who you got?


Portal Gun

Is it sad that I want to see this contest? L-Block, ? Block and Portal Gun would be strong contenders for the title.


No matter how many blocks you enter into the contest, Master Sword will always end up winning.

Of course, going 55-45 in the finals with Materia :P
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#169 | pjbasis | Posted 8/27/2013 1:24:24 PM | message detail
Catching up on Chester stats

Aya and Yoshimitsu are the first two characters not in the same match that needed to be rounded to the fourth decimal.

Leon - 4.35’
Gordon - 3.67’
Shadow - 2.94’
Wesker - 2.39’
Simon - 2.05’
Yu - 1.93’
Oliver - 1.76’
Kat - 1.04’
Hades - 1.00’

Pikachu - 9.86’
Crono - 8.47’
Lloyd - 4.40’
Big Daddy - 4.37’
Magus - 2.62’
Missile - 2.59’
Kerrigan - 2.39’
Otacon - 1.86’
Jade - 1.00’

Sora - 7.04’
Scorpion - 5.26’
Gilgamesh - 4.49’
Booker - 3.19’
Aya - 2.73(4)’
Yoshimitsu - 2.73(1)’
Lu Bu - 2.09’
Groose - 1.58’
Kaim - 1.00’
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#170 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 1:24:37 PM | message detail
3-ways with a Buster Sword, Masamune, and Master Sword final

Master Sword wins via FFVII LFF
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#171 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/27/2013 1:29:20 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
3-ways with a Buster Sword, Masamune, and Master Sword final

Master Sword wins via FFVII LFF


I don't know, Masamune was also Frog's sword in CT. Could get a double fanbase boost!
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#172 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/27/2013 1:49:58 PM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
That's true. No matter the bracket size, fodder's bound to worm its way in.


We've had Guybrush make his way into 64 character brackets before, so even a 64 character bracket won't keep the fodder out. A 64 character bracket would really punish FF7 characters besides Cloud and Sephiroth. Vincent, Tifa, and Aeris would have a difficult time getting into a 64 character bracket if they are splitting nominations with all the other FF7 characters, while they have an easier time getting into a 128 character bracket.
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#173 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/27/2013 1:58:24 PM | message detail
Whether it's a 64 or 128-character or game bracket, every entrant who is above the fodder-line should automatically get in. It should be announced before the nominations begin who/what is automatically in. The rest should be determined by nominations. I don't know how seeding would be determined for automatic entrants, maybe based on previous results somehow.
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#174 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 1:58:52 PM | message detail
Greyfeld posted...
I don't know, Masamune was also Frog's sword in CT. Could get a double fanbase boost!


Depends on the match pic!

Masamune could get hurt because people saw a picture of Frog's Masamune on the front page and they were like "It looks nothing like Sephiroth's Masamune! Who's responsible for this pic sabotage?!"
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#175 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/27/2013 1:59:00 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Division Finals and onward are 24 hours, that's 71 days not counting bonus matches


I would prefer to start the 24-hour matches in round 4 (the Division Finals) because that's only a 71 day contest. If we started the 24-hour matches in round 3, it results in a 79 day contest, which I think is a little too long.
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#176 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 2:00:41 PM | message detail
#177 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/27/2013 2:12:18 PM | message detail
I'd rather have them happen sooner than later
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#178 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/27/2013 2:14:27 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Greyfeld posted...
I don't know, Masamune was also Frog's sword in CT. Could get a double fanbase boost!


Depends on the match pic!

Masamune could get hurt because people saw a picture of Frog's Masamune on the front page and they were like "It looks nothing like Sephiroth's Masamune! Who's responsible for this pic sabotage?!"


lol are you sure that many people would even recognize it? Seems like the name itself would garner the bulk of the votes.

I really think this sort of contest could be interesting. There are going to be some power houses (Master Sword is obviously going to be a Link proxy), but there are a lot of items that could shake things up.

Phoenix Down vs. 1-Up Mushroom

Samus' Power Suit vs. Halo Armor

Gold Ring (Sonic) vs. Gold Coin (Mario)

Pokeball vs. Blitzball

Admittedly, the naming scheme would have to be tweaked a bit for recognizability, since some of the in-game item names are a little generic when pulled out of context.
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#179 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/27/2013 2:14:57 PM | message detail
Whether it's a 64 or 128-character or game bracket, every entrant who is above the fodder-line should automatically get in. It should be announced before the nominations begin who/what is automatically in. The rest should be determined by nominations. I don't know how seeding would be determined for automatic entrants, maybe based on previous results somehow.

In my younger days I always felt that if you can make it to the third round you deserve to return, even if your 4-pack was weak.
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#180 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/27/2013 2:21:12 PM | message detail | (edited)
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
That's true. No matter the bracket size, fodder's bound to worm its way in.


We've had Guybrush make his way into 64 character brackets before, so even a 64 character bracket won't keep the fodder out. A 64 character bracket would really punish FF7 characters besides Cloud and Sephiroth. Vincent, Tifa, and Aeris would have a difficult time getting into a 64 character bracket if they are splitting nominations with all the other FF7 characters, while they have an easier time getting into a 128 character bracket.


The first part is no different from what I'm saying. As to the rest, that only proves that people should focus more nominations on certain characters.
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#181 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/27/2013 2:47:48 PM | message detail
Pikachu is worth more Chesters than all others?
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#182 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/27/2013 3:21:25 PM | message detail
Basing whether characters return on past performances is idiotic. What about old Square, for instance? They've gone from stinking up the joint to dominating! And then there's Pikachu, who was pathetic before 2007 came around.

And that's before we go into weird matches and SFF fests! I mean, X and Ryu certainly don't look like they deserve to return next contest!
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#183 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/27/2013 3:21:27 PM | message detail
Is it just me, or is Blue dropping? Also, what percent does he currently have on Drake?
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#184 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/27/2013 3:22:22 PM | message detail
Yes, Blue is dropping due to normal trends. I'm sure you can work out his percentage on Drake yourself.
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#185 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/27/2013 3:31:15 PM | message detail
Seanchan posted...
The "seeding" would be based on strength not nominations. So someone like ryu wouldn't get put into round 1 because of low nominations. He would enter in round 3 because he'd easily beat 90-100% of round 1 and 2 entrants.


this is incredibly arbitrary, how do we determine "strength"
#186 | swirIdude | Posted 8/27/2013 3:39:11 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Seanchan posted...
The "seeding" would be based on strength not nominations. So someone like ryu wouldn't get put into round 1 because of low nominations. He would enter in round 3 because he'd easily beat 90-100% of round 1 and 2 entrants.


this is incredibly arbitrary, how do we determine "strength"


With X-Stats that are clearly not flawed in any way.
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#187 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/27/2013 3:47:53 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Yes, Blue is dropping due to normal trends. I'm sure you can work out his percentage on Drake yourself.


Isn't it a "day match" currently?
I know Pokemon is supposed to drop during the night but this is a day match we are talking about
#188 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/27/2013 3:56:47 PM | message detail
Day matches being at noon, the height of the day vote. Without a real ASV anymore, day characters tend to drop as a day match progresses.
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#189 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/27/2013 4:01:45 PM | message detail
Looks like Blue won't be looking good coming out of this...
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#190 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/27/2013 4:19:31 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
116----1------------100.00
115----0------------0.00
114----0------------0.00
113----2------------100.00
112----2------------100.00
111----1------------100.00
110----8------------100.00
109----7------------85.71
108----13----------100.00
107----29----------96.55
106----45----------100.00
105----57----------100.00
104----74----------97.30
103----65----------96.92
102----78----------100.00
101----86----------93.02
100----91----------92.31
99------93----------92.47
98------116--------91.38
97------151--------90.07
96------156--------83.97
95------173--------80.92
94------216--------82.41
93------234--------81.20
92------271--------82.29
91------337--------79.23
90------371--------75.74
89------399--------80.20
88------427--------76.35
87------455--------72.75
86------531--------72.32
85------541--------71.72
84------536--------69.96
83------532--------67.48
82------535--------70.28
81------526--------66.35
80------531--------67.42
79------496--------63.91
78------468--------62.18
77------509--------57.76
76------445--------54.16
75------413--------50.12
74------349--------53.58
73------365--------48.77
72------351--------47.29
71------278--------44.60
70------278--------49.28
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68------246--------41.06
67------220--------40.91
66------196--------41.33
65------165--------35.76
64------163--------38.65
63------194--------41.24
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61------162--------35.19
60------177--------33.90
59------132--------31.06
58------125--------36.00
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55------94----------22.34
54------112--------29.46
53------86----------19.77
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51------74----------32.43
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49------63----------26.98
48------53----------26.42
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46------51----------21.57
45------57----------29.82
44------45----------11.11
43------48----------20.83
42------21----------14.29
41------30----------20.00
40------30----------26.67
39------32----------21.88
38------19----------5.26
37------26----------19.23
36------23----------17.39
35------22----------13.64
34------12----------25.00
33------12----------0.00
32------8------------12.50
31------13----------15.38
30------7------------0.00
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28------3------------0.00
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25------11----------9.09
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18------1------------0.00
17------1------------0.00
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15------0------------0.00
14------1------------0.00
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Omitted scores got it wrong.

Strong support for Sora in the top tiers and still quite good in the middle tiers. More or less as expected.

1 person fell off the Top 49. Tirofog did not have Sora winning.
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#191 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 8/27/2013 4:30:27 PM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Is it just me, or is Blue dropping? Also, what percent does he currently have on Drake?


58 ish.

2k10 Red vs 2k10 Drake is a 61/39 affair. So I guess it depends on how much Drake has boosted (if at all) as to whether this is bad or not. If Drake is static then it puts Blue at aroun the Zidane/Marth/Yuna/Altair 2k10 area.
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#192 | Whiskey_Nick | Posted 8/27/2013 4:32:38 PM | message detail
Missingno > Squall

DAT PIC
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#193 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/27/2013 4:33:16 PM | message detail
Speaking of no ASV:
Gilgamesh was stable with the morning vote and ended very close to his peak percentage. His U.S. percentage was less than 1% behind worldwide, but his Canadian percentage was way above it and he did fairly well in Latin America too. Asia going to sleep would have been good for Gilgamesh and bad for Sora. Sora was gaining a little towards the end but almost all of it was coming out of Yoshimitsu.

Without a notable ASV anymore, is there much reason to think Sora would have notably improved with a 24 hour match? Even if he finishes at 62.5% on Gilgamesh instead of 61%, that still sounds really bad.
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#194 | Kibago | Posted 8/27/2013 4:33:23 PM | message detail
Missingno YES
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#195 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 4:42:09 PM | message detail
Kibosh officially put on the Zelda upset, as if Charizard needed any more help. And ZSS + blonde ditz LFF! C'mon, Knuckles, you can pull a miracle out of your spines, right...?
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#196 | im317 | Posted 8/27/2013 4:42:33 PM | message detail
well im sure the ASV is far less then it used to be, it should be noted that not all schools have started yet
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#197 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/27/2013 4:43:02 PM | message detail
Reminder: Drake was behind Link/Luigi SFF in 2010. Same with Amaterasu and The Boss, who both did much better than expected.
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#198 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/27/2013 4:43:18 PM | message detail
Catherine stands out..not like it matters though
L-Block "faceshot" lol
Yuna looks like she is from hentai or something
Missingno...like L-block,I lold
Wrex..I never played ME but he looks bad? don't know if Red picture is good or not..I liked it
What the hell is that Zelda picture? I wouldn't call it sabotage but..from what game is this artwork? Charizard looks amazing
#199 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/27/2013 4:45:41 PM | message detail
Wait,does Charizard ever say..Charizard? it's random growling from what I remember
#200 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/27/2013 4:48:01 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Wait,does Charizard ever say..Charizard? it's random growling from what I remember


He doesn't as far as I know.
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