Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1132

#451 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 11:43:36 PM | message detail
Duke has done some impressive things in these contests, especially in multiways. He's beaten Gordon Freeman, Altair, avoided the doubling against Charizard... Catherine has beaten Neku Sakuraba. And is weaker than him without rallying! You're gonna have to make me buy one heckuva deboost to get Mario out of contention against Samus indirectly.
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#452 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 11:46:59 PM | message detail
and of course Snake has outperformed Link's projections (and Link directly) two rounds straight but does anyone give him any credit ;-;

Snake so underrated by B8 you all know it's true
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#453 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/27/2013 11:50:25 PM | message detail
Knux is in serious danger of losing this hour to Catherine if he's not careful.
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#454 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 8/27/2013 11:50:50 PM | message detail
I want a Tifa Samus rematch. This time instead of ZSS we use other m young samus with the haircut and giving a thumbs down.

Tifa>Samus>Cloud.
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#455 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 11:56:13 PM | message detail | (edited)
Knuckles, don't fall for Catherine's wiles just like you fell for Robotnik's preposterous disguise!

Edit: http://www.soniczone0.com/games/sonic3/angelisland/s3-aiz-boss2img4.png my goodness WHO COULD THAT BE????
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#456 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 8/27/2013 11:57:26 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Duke has done some impressive things in these contests, especially in multiways. He's beaten Gordon Freeman, Altair, avoided the doubling against Charizard... Catherine has beaten Neku Sakuraba. And is weaker than him without rallying! You're gonna have to make me buy one heckuva deboost to get Mario out of contention against Samus indirectly.


Which charizard we talking about here?? Because he grew in strength like l block only to a smaller degree in that contest. Went from getting 57% on kratos to beating bowser and getting 48% on mario.
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#457 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2013 11:59:18 PM | message detail
Avoiding the doubling against ANY Charizard is better than Neku getting 43% on a guy that then got 32% on Sora in a night match.
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#458 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 8/28/2013 12:01:31 AM | message detail
Duke is terrible now anyway. After forever people stopped voting for him.
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#459 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 12:03:20 AM | message detail
Good job, Knuckles. You lost an hour to Catherine.
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#460 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2013 12:04:05 AM | message detail
Terrible, sure. Terrible enough to lose to Neku? I'm not sure of that at all. I'm not saying Samus can't be indirectly stronger. I'm saying that tripling Knuckles is much less impressive when that same Knuckles just officially lost an entire hour to Catherine right now.
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#461 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 8/28/2013 12:10:21 AM | message detail
If only persona 4 got HD release on consoles.

Chie would have beaten draven.
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#462 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/28/2013 12:14:42 AM | message detail
...Huh. We can blame Draven not being put down early on board 8 nominating weak Persona characters.

Thanks board 8.
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#463 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/28/2013 12:16:27 AM | message detail
Should have nominated Teddie.
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#464 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/28/2013 12:18:27 AM | message detail
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Should have nominated Teddie.


If Chie and Yu didn't look so good... what makes you think Teddie WOULDN'T suck??
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#465 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 12:20:11 AM | message detail
Should've been Yukiko and Rise.
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#466 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/28/2013 12:21:17 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Should have nominated Teddie.


If Chie and Yu didn't look so good... what makes you think Teddie WOULDN'T suck??


I mean instead of Chie

Teddie has the added benefit of being adorable. He'd get Missilesque support.
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#467 | creativename | Posted 8/28/2013 12:24:41 AM | message detail
I don't buy Samus stronger than Mario indirectly in any year 2K5 or after.

In 2K2-2K4 she could have beaten him outright - people really forget how vulnerable Mario used to be. No one would have taken Samus>Mario if they knew how much he'd boost in 2K5. He was straight stronger than her, Samus would have needed rSFF to win.

I don't think Mario would have any issue matching this performance by Samus.

Karma Hunter posted...
I'm saying that tripling Knuckles is much less impressive when that same Knuckles just officially lost an entire hour to Catherine right now.

Indeed. Knuckles is embarrassing himself pretty bad here.

Karma Hunter posted...
and of course Snake has outperformed Link's projections (and Link directly) two rounds straight but does anyone give him any credit ;-;

Snake so underrated by B8 you all know it's true

Blame Draven. ApathyFAQs ruining what should be Snake's glorious reign.

Poor Snake, what should have been his year ruined by...reddit. Literally reddit.
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#468 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/28/2013 12:28:57 AM | message detail
Reddit sucks. That much is common knowledge
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#469 | IngmarBirdman | Posted 8/28/2013 12:31:27 AM | message detail
Jesus what happened to Knuckles. Considering I actually recognized the names Seifer and Celes I thought his R1 was fine. Snake still impresses me the most; almost 73% on Alucard is nuts. Samus is evidently just cruising through another round of fodder.
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#470 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/28/2013 12:32:47 AM | message detail
Snake will take the #1 spot sooner or later if he hasn't already done so.
This is the future of your contest, folks:
Snake > Link > Mario > Samus > A dozen or so Pokemon > Big Boss > Mega Man > Sonic

"Yay."
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#471 | -Zelmor- | Posted 8/28/2013 12:39:49 AM | message detail
Of all N9, Snake easily has the best performance in both rounds, though we have yet to see how Mario and MM perform, but i highly doubt anything changes. Not that it matters, Snake going up against Draven in the final.
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#472 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 12:41:00 AM | message detail
Great performance by the QUEEN OF SFF. See this Mario? Look upon this performance and remember when you are being roasted by a fire breathing dragon that fits in your pocket. Or by Squall Leonhart.
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#473 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 12:43:59 AM | message detail
Or, even better......Red > Mario. With an assist from Mario/Squall non-Pokemon LFF.

Do it for Crono and the honor of silent protagonists everywhere.
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#474 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/28/2013 12:45:40 AM | message detail
Looks like Crono's latest loss has finally pushed red sox into full blown senility.

It's sad to see, really/
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#475 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 12:47:56 AM | message detail
I'm sorry, guys. I just can't muster up the will to follow this contest properly. Talking about years old theories is easier.
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#476 | creativename | Posted 8/28/2013 12:48:50 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Looks like Crono's latest loss has finally pushed red sox into full blown senility.

It's sad to see, really/

We need to stage an intervention.

We don't want him to end up like "Stan" from the Eminem song. Which at this point is looming as inevitable...
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#477 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 12:51:46 AM | message detail
I filled out my bracket in the last 10 minutes before the deadline, and made a bunch of expert contest picks at that which I never updated afterward. Since round 2, my expert contest picks have been made intermittently and I think now I've given up entirely on them.

Didn't join the Guru contest because I know my bracket sucks, made as it was in the last 10 minutes. And I haven't made any Oracle picks which is a shame.
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#478 | creativename | Posted 8/28/2013 12:54:51 AM | message detail
The Oracle is the only reason I even give a crap about these contests anymore.

And even that's been a mess this year too (to no one's blame, SE has put up a heroic effort that would make Crono proud).
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#479 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 12:59:43 AM | message detail
I would have made Oracle picks except that I forgot to make picks for the first day......and after that, there was little will to participate.
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#480 | creativename | Posted 8/28/2013 1:09:30 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
I would have made Oracle picks except that I forgot to make picks for the first day......and after that, there was little will to participate.

Hey I missed the first two matches (totally forgot the contest even existed) and I've still predicted everything since!

One could always go for average. And also number of top 5 picks. (I think I have two top 5's, including a number 1, and last I checked I was top 10 in average - though that was before Crono/Pikachu where I went fanboy and picked Crono even though I didn't actually think he'd win after Squirtle thrashed Dante so horrifically)

Never quit! Never surrender! Crono would be disappointed in you, red. SMH!

On a serious note, I hope you don't give up on these contests totally. I know a lot of the reasons for following them have vanished (stupid Reddit...and to a lesser extent the PokeHORDE), but you're one of the best posters here ever and if you vanished, we'd miss you dearly!
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#481 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/28/2013 1:22:49 AM | message detail
Thanks. I'm not sure that I'm capable of abandoning these contests entirely, despite the succession of horrific Crono losses. They've been part of my life for too long.
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#482 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/28/2013 2:48:09 AM | message detail
On one hand,this is great performance by Samus
On the other hand,Catherine sucks and Knuckles is barely winning over her...which means he sucks too so it's more like Samus is just killing some fodder

I also see PokeFEAR has taken full control of this topic
Let's get real now
Squall>missingno
Mario>Squall and Red (order for second place doesn't matter,Red can be ahead of Squall but it won't change a thing)
Charizard over Mega Man and Zero is still debateable...when it gets against Samus and Mario,he will finish dead last

I support Pokemon and I still consider Mewtwo>Sonic seriously but really now,Mario will not let a single Pokemon win over him
It just won't happen
#483 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 8/28/2013 3:36:43 AM | message detail
Considering the amount of games he has and spin offs and iconic appeal. Mario isn't all thAt strong. He has 3 top tier games in mario 64 world and smb3 including numerous smash appearances, kart and the galaxies. Yet he's barely stronger than Samus indirectly. I think it's down to appeal. Mario is iconic but he would be crushing everything if he didn't look like a fat plumber.
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#484 | Geiki Ganger | Posted 8/28/2013 4:05:59 AM | message detail
I've been away the last few weeks.

Was it considered a major upset when Vincent Valentine came third in his match?
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#485 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2013 4:07:57 AM | message detail
Mario is arguably our second strongest character directly and indirectly, and now looks to be our fourth strongest at worst. He gets plenty of respect here nowadays.
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#486 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/28/2013 4:14:34 AM | message detail
I was away too.Vincent was thought to win the match by most and even challenge Sonic.From what people told me the picture for Vincent was so bad that nobody recognized him,that is why he got owned.
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#487 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/28/2013 4:14:52 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Mario is arguably our second strongest character directly and indirectly, and now looks to be our fourth strongest at worst. He gets plenty of respect here nowadays.


And yet you said something about Charizard over Mario and Samus
Change the format to 4 ways and throw Luigi in,I still don't think Charizard can beat Mario

Unless,of course,,that Zard>Mario>Samus talk was a joke
#488 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/28/2013 4:32:16 AM | message detail
The argument is a combination of Charizard having the same 2010-level bandwagon power that let him beat Bowser and give a hugely impressive performance against Mario, and Mario/Samus having more overlap than either with Charizard, thus hurting each other just enough to let Charizard slip through.

It's still f***ing Mario, though, and we know how hard he can crush Samus when he needs to. Plus, if there's anyone who can rival even f***ing Pokemon in the clutch, it would be the plumber. Just ask Crono.
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#489 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/28/2013 4:36:38 AM | message detail
I dunno,I don't believe too much in the "Pokemon resist SFF" theory
#490 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/28/2013 4:49:35 AM | message detail
Damn Knuckles is still only 600 votes up on Catherine. If she had an amazing TJF picture she might have been able to make a match of this.
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#491 | StarStormScream | Posted 8/28/2013 6:27:59 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
I was away too.Vincent was thought to win the match by most and even challenge Sonic.From what people told me the picture for Vincent was so bad that nobody recognized him,that is why he got owned.


The "challenge Sonic" ship sail when he let KOS-MOS get 40% on him. He likely wouldn't have beaten Mewtwo, but he "should" have beaten Phoenix. By the by, anybody know when this season's topics are going to be hitting the archives?
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#492 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/28/2013 6:52:56 AM | message detail
swirIdude posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Has anyone seem the match pic for the Charizard match?

Wind Waker. And I thought Zelda had a chance.


The only reason Zelda would lose to DK is some bizarre SFF situation where Charizard leeches Zelda harder than DK.

I can't imagine this happening since DK gets leeched by EVERYONE within Nintendo. He'll be an easy third place.


Actually, I was talking about the possibility of Zelda beating Charizard, which I have seem people discussing before.

Of course DK gets third place.
#493 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/28/2013 6:56:28 AM | message detail
Match CI: (2) Ezio Auditore da Firenze vs. (5) Auron vs. (8) L-Block

Previous Round

Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 45.51%
Miles “Tails” Prower – 31.19%
Bomberman – 23.30%

Auron – 45.56%
Revolver Ocelot – 32.90%
Roxas – 21.54%

L-Block – 60.70%
Palutena – 26.85%
Teemo – 12.45%

Analysis

L-Block is a bit of a wildcard in this match, it could finish in third or it could win the entire match. While multi-way matches in general help joke characters they all seem to have underperformed so far in this contest. While L-Block’s performance was decent it was against two weak characters making me doubtful that it could win this match.

While Auron did not look impressive there are a few reasons for the performance. For one Roxas was there LFF him, second Ocelot’s 2010 stats are likely underrated and third Metal Gear in general has looked decent in this contest. With the way Final Fantasy VII has fallen only Squall stands in Auron’s way on being the strongest non-Noble Nine Final Fantasy character. With the way jokes have been going and Ezio not impressing Auron should have no issue taking first.

Ezio did as expected while Tails may not have a lot of strength he is not a weakling. I feel the fight for second will be tough. Going by what L-Block is expected to get on Tails the match is expected to be close and should L-Block be weaker by more than the format helps Ezio will likely walk away from this match.

I am going to go with the upset and take Ezio for second. I do not have much faith in joke characters doing anything. L-Block may have a special spot for some people, but he has never looked the same ever since his magical run in 2007.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Auron > Ezio Auditore da Firenze and L-Block

charmander6000’s Prediction: Auron – 40.36%, Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 32.45%, L-Block – 27.19%
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#494 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/28/2013 7:53:50 AM | message detail
Samus is showing off a very powerful morning vote in this match, which is unusual since she isn't really known for having a good morning vote or day vote. She's gained over 1% since her low point after the Power Hour ended. And that's taking into consideration that Knuckles should also have a good morning vote as well.
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#495 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/28/2013 8:04:57 AM | message detail
I'd say there's a possibility that Samus has just been SFFing every character in sight so far, thus hiding any potential deboost. It's like how Link looked much better in all his SFF matches in 2003 and 2010.

Though Samus SFFing the likes of Isaac Clarke and Knuckles is kinda funny considering she's infamous for being unable to SFF anything. Then again, I have a feeling she SFF'd Lara Croft in 2004.
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#496 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/28/2013 8:07:57 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Duke has done some impressive things in these contests, especially in multiways. He's beaten Gordon Freeman, Altair, avoided the doubling against Charizard... Catherine has beaten Neku Sakuraba. And is weaker than him without rallying! You're gonna have to make me buy one heckuva deboost to get Mario out of contention against Samus indirectly.


Duke has done impressive things in these contests, that I agree. Problem is, that was all before Duke Nukem Forever came out.
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#497 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 8/28/2013 8:15:31 AM | message detail
Time to end this topic before the next match
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#498 | spooky96 | Posted 8/28/2013 8:16:47 AM | message detail
eaglesarebeasts posted...
Time to end this topic before the next match


Alrightty then.
#499 | spooky96 | Posted 8/28/2013 8:17:23 AM | message detail
Almost.
#500 | shane15 | Posted 8/28/2013 8:17:39 AM | message detail