Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1129

#251 | tgs2 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:05:52 AM | message detail
I think Gordon gives Leon a big scare. 40% on Tifa before Missingno shenanigans is still impressive even if he almost lost to Peach the round before.
#252 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/25/2013 11:06:08 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Big Boss is also a near-equal to Luigi, and he's just the Badass Version of Solid Snake. Dante can fail for reasons outside of crazy Smurf theories people


Big boss gets most of his popularity from the most popular MGS game MGS3(or 2nd most popular behind MGS1)

Also this badass thing. Can't include Snake. He actually has 2 groups of Fans. The smash which makes up for maybe 10% and 90% MGS. MGS is a beast of a series and would obliterate the likes of DMC/halo GoW etc..

Also snake is an actual character. Guys like MC, Dante and Kratos are just badass with little to no character depth or dialogue. Dante has a lot of cheesy dialogue, MC says cliche crap and Kratos is just angry and shouts. None of their games are story driven either which doesn't help. Unless you're a nintendo character.
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#253 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:06:40 AM | message detail
Shadow > Gordon could happen, Amaterasu has proven to be a decent opponent.
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#254 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/25/2013 11:06:51 AM | message detail
If their 2010 performances are any indication, Leon and Gordon might be close enough that the pic can make it close.

And while Shadow is junk, he does stand out there.

We've seen stranger things in this contest already
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#255 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/25/2013 11:07:42 AM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
I think Gordon gives Leon a big scare. 40% on Tifa before Missingno shenanigans is still impressive even if he almost lost to Peach the round before.


I'd say Leon/Gordon would be RE4/HL2. RE4 but around 53%.
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#256 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:07:49 AM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...


Also this badass thing. Can't include Snake. He actually has 2 groups of Fans. The smash which makes up for maybe 10% and 90% MGS. MGS is a beast of a series and would obliterate the likes of DMC/halo GoW etc..


Pikachu>Snake>Cloud confirmed

who am I kidding, Squirtle>Cloud #believe
#257 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 11:08:53 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2095

Almost forgot that Leon and Gordon met once before!
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#258 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:09:08 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
I also know there's no one to blame but SBAllen and the picsmiths (myself included; I actually wanted to make a Vinnie pic but got lazy), but hopefully this leads to everyone admitting that Mewtwo should have been the big favorite even with a normal Vincent picture.


I was ready to concede that with Cloud's subpar performance.

But hey, it's all for the greater good with Squall's rise to #1 FF character on the site
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#259 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:09:52 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
But hey, it's all for the greater good with Kefka's rise to #1 FF character on the site


fixed
#260 | ZFS | Posted 8/25/2013 11:10:21 AM | message detail
This Badass Decline thing applies as much to Dante and Kratos as it does Zack and Auron and Sephiroth. If you have to start separating characters who are badass but have character and badass but have no character you can probably think of a better reason for them getting weaker. And there are! Individually, most of these characters have had some poor releases lately, or are characters who would be most hurt by a decline in casual voters.
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#261 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:10:33 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2095

Almost forgot that Leon and Gordon met once before!


That match is what made me think Gordon beating Leon would be weird. He couldn't beat Leon fresh off of HL2, and he's gonna win when he's barely had anything since?

I guess if you think RE6 has negatively impacted Leon, but I think he'll be fine. I think he's still beloved enough in RE4 that it won't turn RE fans against him.
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#262 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/25/2013 11:12:03 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
It still boggles my mind that we got DmC instead of DMC5. You people talk about Resident Evil 6 bombing, but that was at least an earnest attempt by a developer to make a cool new game that just failed miserably. DmC was like a tactical nuke targeted directly at the DMC fanbase.


DmC was actually well-received by critics. Resident Evil 6, not so much.

But yeah I think DmC made Dante decrease. So let's look at this:

-Dante bombs after DmC.
-Lightning bombs after Final Fantasy XIII (I warned you guys! Not that I changed my Expert Challenge but still!).
-Big Daddy bombs after BioShock 2.
-The entire cast of PlayStation All-Stars has stunk the joint this contest.
-Ryu Hayabusa bombs after Ninja Gaiden III (though it seems he was still stronger than Altair and post-reboot Lara Croft, so all is not lost!)

The only games that haven't yet shown their ill effects are Resident Evil 6 and Metroid: Other M. Even then, an RE6 could very well doom Leon next round and the RE team allowing a 2013 character to break 20% in their match may not be good news. After that, I have a feeling that Samus SFFd both her R1 opponents. Remember how Link looked bad in every non-SFF match in 2003 and 2010? Bye-bye Samus, have a good time!

And I remember Ulti hyping Dante > Crono in 2011.
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#263 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 11:12:41 AM | message detail
I think Gordon may have boosted more from The Orange Box than HL2. Apart from a crummy original Xbox port that no one played, HL2 was exclusive to PC unti late 2007.
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#264 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/25/2013 11:13:34 AM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
The_Djoker posted...


Also this badass thing. Can't include Snake. He actually has 2 groups of Fans. The smash which makes up for maybe 10% and 90% MGS. MGS is a beast of a series and would obliterate the likes of DMC/halo GoW etc..


Pikachu>Snake>Cloud confirmed

who am I kidding, Squirtle>Cloud #believe


I think Snake>Cloud 1v1 wouldn't surprise anyone now. Pikechu gets way more of his votes from the smash fanbase. IF he was never in smash Pikachu would fall behind several pokemon.
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#265 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2013 11:14:10 AM | message detail
The Orange Box turned Gordon into a worldbeater, at least by his standards. I bought a 360 for The Orange Box.
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#266 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/25/2013 11:15:44 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
It still boggles my mind that we got DmC instead of DMC5. You people talk about Resident Evil 6 bombing, but that was at least an earnest attempt by a developer to make a cool new game that just failed miserably. DmC was like a tactical nuke targeted directly at the DMC fanbase.


DmC was actually well-received by critics. Resident Evil 6, not so much.

But yeah I think DmC made Dante decrease. So let's look at this:

-Dante bombs after DmC.
-Lightning bombs after Final Fantasy XIII (I warned you guys! Not that I changed my Expert Challenge but still!).
-Big Daddy bombs after BioShock 2.
-The entire cast of PlayStation All-Stars has stunk the joint this contest.
-Ryu Hayabusa bombs after Ninja Gaiden III (though it seems he was still stronger than Altair and post-reboot Lara Croft, so all is not lost!)

The only games that haven't yet shown their ill effects are Resident Evil 6 and Metroid: Other M. Even then, an RE6 could very well doom Leon next round and the RE team allowing a 2013 character to break 20% in their match may not be good news. After that, I have a feeling that Samus SFFd both her R1 opponents. Remember how Link looked bad in every non-SFF match in 2003 and 2010? Bye-bye Samus, have a good time!

And I remember Ulti hyping Dante > Crono in 2011.


I have to agree about DmC. It wasn't a bad game But it's an awful DMC game. RE6 is a bad game full stop. Bad action game bad RE game.
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#267 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/25/2013 11:15:44 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Kratos could've been hurt by God of War 3. It was an awesome game, but I think a lot of people hated the ending. Sure he got some somewhat recent prequel game or whatever, but GoW3's ending is the only thing I can think of for why Kratos would look so bad against Travis and Recette.


Eh what? Maybe my judgement is just clouded due to God of War III being the highest-ranked game in the series on unikgamer, but I still always get the vibe that that's the most highly-regarded game in the series.

I think Kratos and Sackboy both suffered the same fate as Master Chief: their franchises simply became less relevant. And again, PlayStation All-Stars may have hurt them both.

Anyone thinks Skyward Sword may have negatively affected the Zelda crew?

Oh and IIRC Snake's worst contest performances were in the years where MGS2 was getting most of its backlash. Although MGS2 broke 40% on Melee in the games contest so who knows.
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#268 | The Real Truth | Posted 8/25/2013 11:16:07 AM | message detail
That match pic for Leon is atrocious BTW
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#269 | anondum | Posted 8/25/2013 11:17:53 AM | message detail
the only important thing in this contest is squirtle > charizard
#270 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:18:51 AM | message detail
Whoa whoa,what was all that Pokemon hate here
Sure,I have to admit too many of them were nominated and it would be better without a few of them (I would totally throw Jigglypuff,Lugia and N outside of the window...although N was supposed to be a gen 5 representive,we can still do without him)
Hm..I might even prefer if Missingno was left out too..even though he gave us one of the best match in this contest..but Magikarp had to take it's place
...And it could be great,because Magikarp>Squall would totally happen

11 out of 243 made it in = 4.5%
8 of them made it into the second round,which has 81 characters = 9.8%
2 are already in the third round,with 4 more to go (Lugia failed and Missingno won't make it) = 6/27 = 22.2%
And...only one can make it into the fourth round (Charizard,unless my Mewtwo rally works) so there is nothing to cry about really
22.2% in the third round isn't THAT crazy
#271 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/25/2013 11:20:13 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Snake hasn't had any good competition yet this contest. I mean Alucard is decent enough, but I think that weird feminine eyes closed pic he got wasn't very good.


Most of Alucard's SOTN art, and hell most of the character art in the Castlevania games from SOTN onwards until Dawn of Sorrow, is done in a very feminine way. I think I once heard a theory that it could be an homage to Metroid, which makes sense (I haven't played much of SOTN, but from what I've played I found a lot more Metroid-inspired stuff than I would have thought).
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#272 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:20:19 AM | message detail
Chart for the night match:

Time | Cloud | Frog | Lugia | Votes
0:05 | 39.64% | 26.25% | 34.11% | 560
1:00 | 44.39% | 28.94% | 26.66% | 5352
2:00 | 49.68% | 28.01% | 22.30% | 2995
3:00 | 48.63% | 27.71% | 23.66% | 2371
4:00 | 47.33% | 30.62% | 22.05% | 2100
5:00 | 50.47% | 26.65% | 22.88% | 1595
6:00 | 53.49% | 24.06% | 22.44% | 1417
7:00 | 55.41% | 23.80% | 20.79% | 1294
8:00 | 52.59% | 26.08% | 21.33% | 1580
9:00 | 50.36% | 27.85% | 21.79% | 1813
10:00 | 51.16% | 27.45% | 21.40% | 2248
11:00 | 51.21% | 27.82% | 20.97% | 2351
12:00 | 51.10% | 28.60% | 20.30% | 2143

Cloud starts off slow and rises the rest of the way. Frog stays pretty consistent except for a couple of hours. Lugia starts off strong and drops the rest of the way.

X-Stats:

Cloud Strife – 50.00%
Frog – 35.93%
Lugia – 31.54%
Prinny – 26.33%
Viewtiful Joe – 24.32%
Handsome Jack – 23.38%
Sly Cooper – 20.49%
Senator Steven Armstrong – 13.52%
Francis York Morgan – 10.58%

Cloud's prediction percentage was 85.56%
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#273 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2013 11:20:38 AM | message detail
Yes it is. I'll probably be supporting Link but if he goes down I'm getting behind Draven because as I said before ANYTHING is better than more goddamn Pokemon
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#274 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/25/2013 11:21:16 AM | message detail
ZFS posted...
ChenKenichiFan posted...
http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5239.jpg


Ha, what. Why is he so dark.


More like why is that entire picture so black?
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#275 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:22:24 AM | message detail
Current X-Stats:

Squirtle – 50.00%
Dante – 40.79%
Zidane Tribal – 35.69%
Ridley – 32.57%
Ramza Beoulve – 32.07%
Laharl – 24.42%
JC Denton – 17.30%
Raz – 15.69%
Spring Breeze Dancin’ – 6.62%

If there's a silver lining here, it's that this makes Ramza look pretty good!
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#276 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2013 11:23:50 AM | message detail
Frog's third best hour came at the end of the match! What the HELL Chrono Trigger
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#277 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/25/2013 11:23:54 AM | message detail
It's crazy how little these percentages have changed since the first update. Not only is Squirtle putting on a better R2 show than Cloud did, he's putting on a better one by no small margin.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I fully expect Cloud to win still. But I think Mega Man's starting to sweat about his R3 match.
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#278 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/25/2013 11:24:23 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
swordz9 posted...
Kratos could've been hurt by God of War 3. It was an awesome game, but I think a lot of people hated the ending. Sure he got some somewhat recent prequel game or whatever, but GoW3's ending is the only thing I can think of for why Kratos would look so bad against Travis and Recette.


Eh what? Maybe my judgement is just clouded due to God of War III being the highest-ranked game in the series on unikgamer, but I still always get the vibe that that's the most highly-regarded game in the series.

I think Kratos and Sackboy both suffered the same fate as Master Chief: their franchises simply became less relevant. And again, PlayStation All-Stars may have hurt them both.

Anyone thinks Skyward Sword may have negatively affected the Zelda crew?

Oh and IIRC Snake's worst contest performances were in the years where MGS2 was getting most of its backlash. Although MGS2 broke 40% on Melee in the games contest so who knows.


No but a Wind waker remake might decline Link again.
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#279 | ZFS | Posted 8/25/2013 11:25:53 AM | message detail
Badass Decline Theory

Link declines because of Wind Waker
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#280 | swordz9 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:27:43 AM | message detail
Clearly just the thought of Wind Waker HD is putting people into a frenzy fueled by hatred and causing Link to look weaker.
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#281 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/25/2013 11:28:41 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Yes it is. I'll probably be supporting Link but if he goes down I'm getting behind Draven because as I said before ANYTHING is better than more goddamn Pokemon


The only pokemon I wouldn't mind winning is Blastoise. Allen should evolve Squirtle should he reach the final. He would Hydro Pump Draven out of the earth for sure.
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#282 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/25/2013 11:29:54 AM | message detail
And TPCi should do a MegaBlastoise reveal on the same day.
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#283 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:30:06 AM | message detail
Blastoise is pretty great and one of the few Pokemon I'd vote for with any sort of regularity. Squirtle's fine, too. Probably would've gotten my vote here if Zidane weren't in the match
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#284 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/25/2013 11:31:07 AM | message detail
ZFS posted...
This Badass Decline thing applies as much to Dante and Kratos as it does Zack and Auron and Sephiroth. If you have to start separating characters who are badass but have character and badass but have no character you can probably think of a better reason for them getting weaker. And there are! Individually, most of these characters have had some poor releases lately, or are characters who would be most hurt by a decline in casual voters.


What people are trying to describe as "badass character decline" should probably more accurately be called "casual appeal decline." The characters that are taking a hit are specifically the ones whose bulk strength are tied up in their badass character designs. They're the ones that the casual masses vote for because they're easily recognizable, especially against characters from niche games.
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#285 | AxemRedRanger (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/25/2013 11:31:49 AM | message detail
I've been lurking or posting in these threads since around the Character Battle VIII Contest and I don't think people have ever been as stirred up as they are now. It's like everything you know is wrong and nobody knows what is possible at this point.

Were it not for Draven (forget him winning; he's going to ruin some potentially awesome late contest results), the endless fodderific Round 1, and some of the stupidest LFF matches ever, this would be a great contest.
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#286 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:32:04 AM | message detail
Current match result is good one for Squall, says stats topic regular
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#287 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/25/2013 11:32:39 AM | message detail
I wish Charizard/Blastoise made Rivalry Rumble.

Not technically a "canon" rivalry, but c'mon. Anyone around for the initial Pokemon craze knows that s*** was a rivalry.
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#288 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:32:49 AM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Kibago posted...
Bulbasaur people just like him/want to finish the set, right? there's no way he's stronger than Charizard or Squirtle (and I'd be stunned if he beat Pikachu.)


Bulbasaur could be as strong as Squirtle. Blastoise may be stronger than Squirtle. Charmander should be stronger than Squirtle. Charizard should still be the strongest, though.

Nanis23 posted...
Anyone still doubt Mewtwo being the chance to stop Draven?
This is Squirtle with no rally beating the near-elite Dante and making him look like a joke
Just imagine Mewtwo with a internet-wide rally and be afraid


Draven faction holds a majority of the votes. Squirtle could be getting 100% here and would still be a lock to lose to Draven.


Squirtle could be getting 190% here and still wouldn't be enough,if the votals are the "high average" of 30k votes and Draven gets 58k like his last match
Gamefaqs power doesn't matter,rally power does
Which is why people that think Link is the best hope got no idea what they talk about..it doesn't matter if his base power here is the highest,his rally power is non-existent

Look,the Pokemon community is huge,ok? I know this because im from this very community so I know what im talking about
Pokemon is by far the most discussed video game franchise in the world - there are tons of subject to talk about - trading,battling,breeding,anime and manga discussion,TCG,Pokemon XY discussion and so much more
The Pokemon fanart is probably the biggest fanart in the world - with 649 Pokemon (and increasing) there are so many arts for every Pokemon it's crazy
There is also how many jokes can be made from Pokemon - just go to 9gag,it will be impossible to not encounter a Pokemon joke somewhere
Even random Pokemon like Magcargo can have it's own joke of being hotter than the sun
There are also so many Pokemon webcomics than any other franchise

Also look at those-
http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy
http://www.gamefaqs.com/gba
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ds

And
http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds
Pokemon in the top 10 EVER SINCE IT WAS ANNOUNCED

I really,really don't know why Pokemon was so weak before the 2008 contest- but look at the facts now-Pokemon is strong,and with an internet wide rally Mewtwo can be the only one to beat that ****ing Draven
#289 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/25/2013 11:33:35 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Clearly just the thought of Wind Waker HD is putting people into a frenzy fueled by hatred and causing Link to look weaker.


Don't worry. MM remake to be announced in September coming out for 3DS.
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#290 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2013 11:34:53 AM | message detail
Slicing the differences in stupidly low probabilities doesn't help your case. I will actively rally against Mewtwo or any other Pokemon going up to win the contest, even if it's for Draven. I'm sure I'm not alone.
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#291 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:36:18 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Yes it is. I'll probably be supporting Link but if he goes down I'm getting behind Draven because as I said before ANYTHING is better than more goddamn Pokemon


You know,that's a real shame
Everyone here is so surprised whenever a Pokemon is doing good/bad even though I predicted them easily
You are pretty much the only person here that also predicted everything about Pokemon perfectly...including Lugia free-falling and Squirtle win here
Real shame you don't support Pokemon though
#292 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:36:57 AM | message detail
you all said I was crazy in saying Pikachu had the best chance of slaying Draven

well who's laughing now

no one
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#293 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/25/2013 11:37:09 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
I've been lurking or posting in these threads since around the Character Battle VIII Contest and I don't think people have ever been as stirred up as they are now.


I started lurking here around the '09 Games Contest, and I agree. Between Draven, the seething Pokemon hate and other miscellaneous debacles (Vincentgate, LITERALLY A HORSE, etc), I've never seen this board so salty in my life.

Personally, I think this contest has been a lot of fun. Especially since Mr. G&W got to win a match!
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#294 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:38:55 AM | message detail | (edited)
It's always funny to see people who've only been around for a few years talk about how salty the board is.

Nothing these contests produce will EVER rival stuff we saw in the early years

CJayC literally implemented a Level 15 user cap after Squall/Luigi because so many people suicided after Squall won
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#295 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:40:58 AM | message detail
#296 | ZFS | Posted 8/25/2013 11:41:05 AM | message detail
Haha. Worst match! I will never forget the name nanasilencer because of that match.

I remember also thinking Luigi was going to get close to Link because that was the year of the fan favorites wrecking things. Magus > Crono good times. And then Squall happened, and then Magus got crushed.
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#297 | StarStormScream | Posted 8/25/2013 11:41:08 AM | message detail
TheCodeisBosco posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
I've been lurking or posting in these threads since around the Character Battle VIII Contest and I don't think people have ever been as stirred up as they are now.


I started lurking here around the '09 Games Contest, and I agree. Between Draven, the seething Pokemon hate and other miscellaneous debacles (Vincentgate, LITERALLY A HORSE, etc), I've never seen this board so salty in my life.

Personally, I think this contest has been a lot of fun. Especially since Mr. G&W got to win a match!


Just to let you know, Board 8 is rather tame these days, compared to the early years of the contests.

And really, Draven did suck a lot of enthusiasm from this year's battle. We've had some really awesome happenings in Round 2, but I think stuff like Snake's dominating win & Clinkeroth's disappointments would have gotten far more buzz here had that rally not happened the way it did.
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#298 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2013 11:41:30 AM | message detail
Pokemon is fine but it's oversaturated in the contest. Like, Pikachu and Charizard would be cool but instead we've got Pikachu and Charizard and Squirtle and Mewtwo and Lugia and Magikarp and Jigglypuff. It's like if we had put the entire cast of FF7 in 2003, you'd have seen half of the Sweet Sixteen being made up of FF7 potentially!
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#299 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 11:42:31 AM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Haha. Worst match! I will never forget the name nanasilencer because of that match.


I keep holding out hope that one of these days another Squall fangirl will find her way to Board 8
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#300 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/25/2013 11:42:33 AM | message detail
Squall/Luigi was something special, people were literally creating accounts just so they can suicide them right away.
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