Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1129

#151 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 9:42:01 AM | message detail
It's kind of silly to complain about Link fans in the first place. We've seen more variance among Zelda than anything else. Everyone loves Link and they vote for him and he wins the contest. If they were drones then they would have never allowed Groose to be hilariously bad fodder or even Midna to be a lower-midcarder. Zelda is distinctly tiered - it's just that Link is the most popular guy we have in the contest save Draven.

And like I said, this is a part of the very nature of Pokemon. It doesn't make much sense to expect a clear tiering. The results over the past few contests have suggested a jumbled mess where any one of the RBY heavy hitters could be as strong or stronger than the others on any given day, and that's what we're getting once again here.

I've talked about a "vacuum theory" for multiway polls in which each match must be analyzed in its own little bubble before you turn to past stats as your guide. Well, that applies to Pokemon more than anything else.
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#152 | Sorozone | Posted 8/25/2013 9:42:14 AM | message detail
Good lord I was wrong about this match.
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#153 | pjbasis | Posted 8/25/2013 9:42:54 AM | message detail
So how does Ramza vs. Laharl go now




Or Laharal vs. JC
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#154 | Achromatic | Posted 8/25/2013 9:43:53 AM | message detail
So...

Squirtle versus Cloud.
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#155 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2013 9:43:56 AM | message detail
Pokemon has officially undergone a heel turn in this contest. I had fun rooting for them when they were the shiny new underdog stars, but they've become Cena (I don't know anything about wrestling, I'm going to assume that all makes sense).

I can't bring myself to vote against Charizard - OH WAIT, he has a ridiculously favorable circumstance against Mega Man. What a jerk.
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#156 | xp1337 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:43:57 AM | message detail
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
xp1337 posted...
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If it turns out to be a close match, rabid Pokemon fanbase will just rally behind Pikachu.

gg Crono

They better hope it's not close at the end!


Right? Nobody outstuffs CT in close matches, Pika better blow it up

mario

that guy

he looks so friendly and innocent but he's vicious.

>_>
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#157 | paulg235 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:44:29 AM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
So...

Squirtle versus Cloud.

If Sephiroth falls to Kirby, I'd definitely take it.
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#158 | xp1337 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:44:50 AM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
So...

Squirtle versus Cloud.

The flipside of Frog looking like a champ against Cloud is now "Do you think Squirtle could put up 65% on Frog?"
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#159 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 9:44:56 AM | message detail
Well yeah, Pikachu is going to have a ridiculously unfavorable circumstance against Sora.

oh my god can you imagine if he wins anyway
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#160 | Achromatic | Posted 8/25/2013 9:46:01 AM | message detail
Pikachu is still losing to Crono.

In for a penny in for a pound <_<.
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#161 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/25/2013 9:46:34 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Well yeah, Pikachu is going to have a ridiculously unfavorable circumstance against Sora.

oh my god can you imagine if he wins anyway


Imagine Sora getting last place in that match
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#162 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2013 9:46:41 AM | message detail
Pikachu is going to have a lead of 1298723982130912 votes after the board vote. Crono will have his work cut out for him.
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#163 | xp1337 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:47:08 AM | message detail
I wouldn't bail on Crono if Squirtle had 80%!

I would go down with this ship no matter the situation!
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#164 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:48:15 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Pikachu is going to have a lead of 1298723982130912 votes after the board vote.


huh, with that kind of board vote lead Draven is already dead! :lol

ChenKenichiFan posted...
Well yeah, Pikachu is going to have a ridiculously unfavorable circumstance against Sora.

oh my god can you imagine if he wins anyway


Blue>Pikachu>Sora
watch it somehow happen
#165 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 9:48:21 AM | message detail
Eh, I wouldn't even worry all that much about it. This is actually a























pretty good result for Crono.
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#166 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/25/2013 9:49:29 AM | message detail
Keep the faith, blazer
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#167 | Achromatic | Posted 8/25/2013 9:50:15 AM | message detail
Poor Dante. Every time you fail me, but usually you make it exciting.

Oh well, Squirtle is indeed awesome. I am on the squirtle > cloud hype train now.

Go Crono.
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#168 | xp1337 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:50:43 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
pretty good result for Crono.

squirtle is under 60% on dante

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/977

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#169 | homsar555 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:51:35 AM | message detail
One thought I had about a possible way for Draven to lose: What if one or two of the largest gaming news websites posted an article about the final right before it started? From what we've seen from unrallied Draven, it's unlikely that he'd receive a large percentage of the votes brought in from the article. Are any of those sites large enough to make a difference?
#170 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2013 9:52:22 AM | message detail
Considering Link is finally, finally, only took them 10 years finally getting anti-voted at the start of the match, I think he's lost his status the guy people will blindly vote for the most. The 'drones' have migrated.

Enjoy 10 more years of Pokemon domination, folks!
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#171 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 9:54:41 AM | message detail
I love the fact that Link gets anti-voted now. >_>

Believe it or not, he may have been the most popular character on the board back in 2002. We were ecstatic when he won.
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#172 | xp1337 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:56:07 AM | message detail | (edited)
KamikazePotato posted...
Considering Link is finally, finally, only took them 10 years finally getting anti-voted at the start of the match, I think he's lost his status the guy people will blindly vote for the most. The 'drones' have migrated.

Enjoy 10 more years of Pokemon domination, folks!

Being serious for a second, I think I'd find the Pokemon worse in a way because at least Link is just one guy.

Pokemon could easily do more "damage" with Charmander, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Charizard, Blastoise, Mewtwo, Pikachu. No single one of them is likely to be as strong as the very highest tier, but they can probably clear out anyone but the best of the best.

It's the numbers that are the problem to me! One or two of them, fine! But I get the feeling Pokemon impressing is just going to lead to, "Hey guys, let's get more in!"

This isn't even considering we're likely to see a bunch more weaker ones on the level of Lugia as "test cases" and such.
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#173 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/25/2013 9:55:46 AM | message detail
good to see KP has finally come around
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#174 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2013 9:56:30 AM | message detail
We could fill an entire bracket of Pokemon RBY characters and it's combined total strength would be higher than that of a normal bracket. Kinda crazy.

ChenKenichiFan posted...
I love the fact that Link gets anti-voted now. >_>

Believe it or not, he may have been the most popular character on the board back in 2002. We were ecstatic when he won.


War has changed.
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#175 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/25/2013 9:56:31 AM | message detail
RIP Final Fantasy always wins whiners

make way for Pokemon always wins whiners
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#176 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 9:56:58 AM | message detail
#177 | Sorozone | Posted 8/25/2013 9:57:49 AM | message detail
Binoculars Leon top tier picture.
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#178 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 9:58:28 AM | message detail
wait a minute... GORDON FREEMAN IS ALREADY WEARING GLASSES

TIME TO ADJUST EXPERT BRACKET IT'S HAPPENING
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#179 | swordz9 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:58:36 AM | message detail
You guy reveled in Lightning losing so you can suffer Pokemon domination tbh.
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#180 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/25/2013 9:58:54 AM | message detail
If only Leon had put on Ada's exploding glasses in RE4
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#181 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2013 9:59:07 AM | message detail
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
RIP Final Fantasy always wins whiners

make way for Pokemon always wins whiners


What can I say, I'm a trendsetter. This 'ugh Pokemon' complaining from the stats topic isn't gonna cut it! You have to take it to the next level!
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#182 | RPGlord95 | Posted 8/25/2013 9:59:37 AM | message detail
This is the most amazing result ever.

My favourite Pokemon is a god here!
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#183 | swordz9 | Posted 8/25/2013 10:03:58 AM | message detail
I think Final Fantasy might have more losses than wins this year, but I haven't bothered to count.
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#184 | im317 | Posted 8/25/2013 10:04:43 AM | message detail
Leon>?>? or will Leon even win?
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#185 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2013 10:05:41 AM | message detail
I'm more worried about Gordon losing to Shadow than I am about Leon dropping that match.
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#186 | AxemRedRanger (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/25/2013 10:06:31 AM | message detail
Guys, this isn't all Squirtle. Forget the pokemon for a moment.
Look at Dante vs. Zidane.
LOOK AT IT.
This would be a completely terrible Dante performance 1-on-1.
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#187 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2013 10:07:46 AM | message detail
Dante is pretty non-transitive at this point. He would probably beat Zidane as badly as Squirtle is 1 v 1, then go and drop it to Lugia in the next match.
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#188 | swordz9 | Posted 8/25/2013 10:09:18 AM | message detail
Dante/Zidane being close this match just means a DmC Dante pic would've caused Dante to be last place for sure.
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#189 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/25/2013 10:10:06 AM | message detail
who are these Shadow voters in 2013
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#190 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 10:11:14 AM | message detail
R2 bonus match needs to be law firm intern Vincent vs Donte vs Lugia with "I HAVE FAILED" for its match pic.
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#191 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/25/2013 10:12:08 AM | message detail
RPGlord95 posted...
My favourite Pokemon is a god here!


Squirtle: Squirtle squirt squirt (Translation: Hurry up with my damn crossaints!)
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#192 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/25/2013 10:12:23 AM | message detail
im317 posted...
Leon>?>? or will Leon even win?


I'm thinking Leon>Shadow>Freeman. Leon seems like a lock for first, and since Freeman/Shadow are 55/45 in 2010, I'm banking on Freeman losing enough votes to Leon for Shadow to slip into second.
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#193 | Sorozone | Posted 8/25/2013 10:12:47 AM | message detail
I'd be on suicide watch if Leon blew his match.
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#194 | Whupassman | Posted 8/25/2013 10:13:10 AM | message detail
For those B****ing about Pokémon

A) Vote for your fave non-Pokémon characters against them (not necessarily stuff)
B) Get over it

You have a choice, this isn't one of those countries where they kick you in the head for expressing opinions!
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#195 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/25/2013 10:14:18 AM | message detail
I've also got Leon > Shadow > Freeman but that's probably changing. I don't feel very confident in anything tonight and am afraid just what that RE6 picture may do to Leon. RE6 was so terribly f***ing received by the fanbase that Chris Redfield couldn't even get in a 243 character bracket.
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#196 | Sorozone | Posted 8/25/2013 10:17:27 AM | message detail
Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Leon would probably be the most resistant to the RE6 backlash, and Chris would be the easiest target for it. Leon's at least felt like a solid RE game, Chris's...well, didn't.
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#197 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/25/2013 10:17:55 AM | message detail
I still don't get this "you don't have to vote for all the pokemon".

Err... it's because I like the game? I don't have to vote for anyone, but I like pokemon, but I'm voting for them if there isn't anyone I like more than them.
#198 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/25/2013 10:20:01 AM | message detail
Whupassman posted...
For those B****ing about Pokémon

A) Vote for your fave non-Pokémon characters against them (not necessarily stuff)
B) Get over it

You have a choice, this isn't one of those countries where they kick you in the head for expressing opinions!


To most members of this board, this applies to everyone not named Draven.
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#199 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/25/2013 10:22:13 AM | message detail
Oof, no good from Dante at all. Looks like my instincts on Ramza vis-a-vis Laharl were right! This is pretty poor, though - people like to rag on him but he was in contention with Yoshi and Ryu all day, conceivably even winning a 24 hour match against the latter. Him doing this poorly not just on Squirtle, but being relatively close to Zidane speaks volumes, it looks like he's weakened. lol DmC

Cloud barely drilled Frog down to 36% last night. That would put him at Mega Man 2010's level in a 12 hour match assuming Frog hasn't increased or dropped... so he should be safe against this Squirtle, bandwagons notwithstanding.
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#200 | The Real Truth | Posted 8/25/2013 10:23:15 AM | message detail
Poor Dante. I was worried after Kratos looked bad. This should have been easy to predict after how characters like Phoenix Wright have looked.
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