Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1128

#401 | CP724 | Posted 8/25/2013 3:33:02 AM | message detail
A doubling, then it would just be "bad." Cloud was projected to get 71%+ on Frog. Stats aren't precise but this is either a horrific outing by Cloud, an amazing display by Frog, or probably a mix of the two.

I think Cloud would struggle to get 71% on chester to be honest.
#402 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 3:34:52 AM | message detail
This match says absultely nothing about Pikachu
Even if Lugia had 5% here it wouldn't change a thing
N lost to Bayonetta
Pikachu Charizard and Mewtwo failing to double her would be a huge underperformance
Blue would finish with 30% in this match

Yes im serious
#403 | Achromatic | Posted 8/25/2013 3:35:21 AM | message detail
CP724 posted...
A doubling, then it would just be "bad." Cloud was projected to get 71%+ on Frog. Stats aren't precise but this is either a horrific outing by Cloud, an amazing display by Frog, or probably a mix of the two.

I think Cloud would struggle to get 71% on chester to be honest.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3770
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3814
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#404 | Achromatic | Posted 8/25/2013 3:36:08 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
This match says absultely nothing about Pikachu
Even if Lugia had 5% here it wouldn't change a thing
N lost to Bayonetta
Pikachu Charizard and Mewtwo failing to double her would be a huge underperformance
Blue would finish with 30% in this match

Yes im serious


Chrono Trigger versus Pokemon means something

It might not mean what I think it does.

But it is fair to draw some conclusions here.
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#405 | CP724 | Posted 8/25/2013 3:36:46 AM | message detail
Ok he MIGHT break 73% on chester.
#406 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/25/2013 3:37:00 AM | message detail
CP724 posted...
A doubling, then it would just be "bad." Cloud was projected to get 71%+ on Frog. Stats aren't precise but this is either a horrific outing by Cloud, an amazing display by Frog, or probably a mix of the two.

I think Cloud would struggle to get 71% on chester to be honest.


Considering Cloud already scored 86% on Senator Armstrong, i doubt it.
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#407 | The Real Truth | Posted 8/25/2013 3:47:24 AM | message detail
All this match really says is "wow contests suck now." These vote totals are horrendous. You guys are trying to make sense of stats when vote totals are hardly even existent at this point.
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#408 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 3:48:38 AM | message detail
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#409 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 3:49:33 AM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Nanis23 posted...
This match says absultely nothing about Pikachu
Even if Lugia had 5% here it wouldn't change a thing
N lost to Bayonetta
Pikachu Charizard and Mewtwo failing to double her would be a huge underperformance
Blue would finish with 30% in this match

Yes im serious


Chrono Trigger versus Pokemon means something

It might not mean what I think it does.

But it is fair to draw some conclusions here.


Lugia 24% here is pure Pokemon proxy votes and nothing more
I would put Delibird in the 22-24% range here as well,to be honest
Lugia isn't really a Pokemon people care about...there is a clear difference between him and the likes of Squirtle Charizard and Mewtwo
Pikachu is different story though,he isn't that liked but he is the mascot of the series...since,you know,Pokeball isn't a character
#410 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/25/2013 3:51:24 AM | message detail
The Real Truth posted...
All this match really says is "wow contests suck now." These vote totals are horrendous. You guys are trying to make sense of stats when vote totals are hardly even existent at this point.


Yeah, we really should find some way to increase votals. Like a rally or something.
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#411 | Achromatic | Posted 8/25/2013 3:52:49 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Achromatic posted...
Nanis23 posted...
This match says absultely nothing about Pikachu
Even if Lugia had 5% here it wouldn't change a thing
N lost to Bayonetta
Pikachu Charizard and Mewtwo failing to double her would be a huge underperformance
Blue would finish with 30% in this match

Yes im serious


Chrono Trigger versus Pokemon means something

It might not mean what I think it does.

But it is fair to draw some conclusions here.


Lugia 24% here is pure Pokemon proxy votes and nothing more
I would put Delibird in the 22-24% range here as well,to be honest
Lugia isn't really a Pokemon people care about...there is a clear difference between him and the likes of Squirtle Charizard and Mewtwo
Pikachu is different story though,he isn't that liked but he is the mascot of the series...since,you know,Pokeball isn't a character


Uh, Lugia has a lot more common than those than he does Delibird. Starred in a movie, was on the cart of a mainline Pokemon game (and an offshoot to boot.) Not trying to make the case that Lugia is a god slayer but come on now.
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#412 | Lopen | Posted 8/25/2013 3:56:37 AM | message detail
Yeah Pokemon actually has a pretty low floor go take a look at Nidoran F's match way back when

Hell just look at Jigglypuff this contest for an example of a Pokemon that's weaker than Lugia
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#413 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 4:15:56 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Yeah Pokemon actually has a pretty low floor go take a look at Nidoran F's match way back when

Hell just look at Jigglypuff this contest for an example of a Pokemon that's weaker than Lugia


It was 2006 though!
Pokemon popularity boosted from 2008 and peaked at 2010
I would predict a 30% for Nidoran F on Samus nowdays
#414 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/25/2013 4:17:40 AM | message detail
30% for Nidoran F on Samus? That's crazy talk. Jigglypuff only managed 27% on MMX.

It'd make Nidoran F a high fodder/low midcard character, too.
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#415 | -Zelmor- | Posted 8/25/2013 4:28:59 AM | message detail
Statheads, what's Crono projected to score on Frog based on past years data.
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#416 | Achromatic | Posted 8/25/2013 4:29:48 AM | message detail
-Zelmor- posted...
Statheads, what's Crono projected to score on Frog based on past years data.


66.42%
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#417 | Whupassman | Posted 8/25/2013 4:34:39 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Yeah Pokemon actually has a pretty low floor go take a look at Nidoran F's match way back when

Hell just look at Jigglypuff this contest for an example of a Pokemon that's weaker than Lugia


Jigglypuff = Joke factor.
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#418 | -Zelmor- | Posted 8/25/2013 4:37:39 AM | message detail
Thanks a lot, bro.

Just did some calculation, if i am not wrong, Cloud is currently scoring 63.5% on Frog. While I still don't buy the idea of Crono beating Cloud, i think he would at least score 45-48% in a one on one fight these day.
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#419 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/25/2013 5:03:28 AM | message detail
*wakes up, checks poll*

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#420 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/25/2013 5:38:34 AM | message detail
Also, when's the last time Dante actually won a debated match? He choked against Yoshi, he choked against Ryu, he's gonna choke again against Squirtle. Stop placing your faith in this dude.
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#421 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 5:45:51 AM | message detail
Contests can be a challenge
This match can seem impossible
It's never easy
When so much
Is on the line
But you can make a difference...if you rally for Lugiaaaaa

Or not lol!!
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#422 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/25/2013 5:49:19 AM | message detail
Yep, Dante/Vergil also lost a close match to Sora/Riku. If you search "opposite of clutch" you get a picture of Dante.
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#423 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/25/2013 6:09:01 AM | message detail
A vote for Squirtle is a vote for Black Turtle, you know you don't wanna do it.
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#424 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/25/2013 6:11:12 AM | message detail
ZinsanityCraze posted...
A vote for Squirtle is a vote for Black Turtle, you know you don't wanna do it.


God damnit, the lamest f***ing joke ever popped into my head.

"Squirtle is actually blue."
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#425 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 6:15:14 AM | message detail
ZinsanityCraze posted...
A vote for Squirtle is a vote for Black Turtle, you know you don't wanna do it.


Since when BT likes Pokemon...since when BT likes anything other than Mega Man...?
Im even surprised he likes something
#426 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 6:17:36 AM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
ZinsanityCraze posted...
A vote for Squirtle is a vote for Black Turtle, you know you don't wanna do it.


God damnit, the lamest f***ing joke ever popped into my head.

"Squirtle is actually blue."


Oh...
#427 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/25/2013 6:40:54 AM | message detail
Two random questions?

1) How well would Metal Gear REX fare if it ever got into a Character Battle? I think it would be a solid midcarder, maybe stronger than The Boss (it beat The Boss in Konami's character battle anyway...).

2) What would be the best Plants vs. Zombies rep to get in, and would that rep be stronger than Red Bird?
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#428 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/25/2013 6:44:41 AM | message detail
ZinsanityCraze posted...
A vote for Squirtle is a vote for Black Turtle, you know you don't wanna do it.


A vote for Dante is a vote for Kanz, you know you don't wanna do it.
#429 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/25/2013 6:56:01 AM | message detail
Match XCV: (2) Dante vs. (5) Squirtle vs. (11) Zidane Tribal

Previous Round

Dante – 60.08%
Laharl – 25.59%
Raz – 14.33%

Squirtle – 59.47%
Ramza Beoulve – 28.08%
JC Denton – 12.45%

Zidane Tribal – 51.50%
Ridley – 43.23%
Spring Breeze Dancin’ – 5.26%

Analysis

This match has been getting some hype. Zidane is the odd man out in this match, while he won over Ridley by more than most of us expected he is nowhere near the level of Dante or Squirtle. He may have come a long way since getting tripled by Crono, but he is no world beater.

I am not convinced that Squirtle is around the strength of a near-elite. His performance on Ramza showed that he does have strength, assuming Ramza did not take a drop in strength, but it does not place him above the level of Dante. For example both Ramza and Laharl had a match against each other in the past and while a lot has changed since then it does not make Squirtle look any better that Dante easily outperformed him.

The major concern I had about Dante was if he took a hit in strength due to the new Devil May Cry game. While he was not in the game characters have taken drops and rises for the same reason. After his first round match I feel Dante is around his usual strength which makes me feel confident that he will win this match.

Dante is starting to get a bit of a reputation on being a choker. I personally feel he has just been on the wrong side of a couple of close matches. If he does lose this match it may provide more support that he is a choker, likely due to people voting for his design and then abandoning him when a character they recognize goes up against him.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Dante > Squirtle and Zidane Tribal

charmander6000’s Prediction: Dante – 39.56%, Squirtle – 36.48%, Zidane Tribal – 23.96%
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#430 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 6:58:41 AM | message detail
Either Peashooter or Sun Flower
Peashooter can actually get Bellsprout votes
#431 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/25/2013 7:01:03 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
The major concern I had about Dante was if he took a hit in strength due to the new Devil May Cry game. While he was not in the game characters have taken drops and rises for the same reason. After his first round match I feel Dante is around his usual strength which makes me feel confident that he will win this match.


DmC Dante isn't Dante?
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#432 | Kibago | Posted 8/25/2013 7:01:27 AM | message detail
I'd take the Sunflower over Red Bird on this site with these votals. it would still be pretty weak, though.
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#433 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 7:03:28 AM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
charmander6000 posted...
The major concern I had about Dante was if he took a hit in strength due to the new Devil May Cry game. While he was not in the game characters have taken drops and rises for the same reason. After his first round match I feel Dante is around his usual strength which makes me feel confident that he will win this match.


DmC Dante isn't Dante?


No
It's like different universe or something
#434 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/25/2013 7:05:14 AM | message detail
For the purposes of the contest, they are considered the same character though, unless there were two Dantes in the nomination database.
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#435 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/25/2013 7:06:42 AM | message detail | (edited)
Maybe the hatred for new Dante will get fans to band together and show more support for old Dante!
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#436 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 7:15:16 AM | message detail
I think that in order to have a different character,it must have different name as well as being...a unique character
Which explain why Mega Man X is allowed and many species characters such ad Yoshi and Pokemon,but we can't have "toon Link"
or many versions of the Prince of Persia,Dante etc
#437 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 8/25/2013 7:17:49 AM | message detail
So I still think Crono can 65/35 Frog. What percentage does Crono need on Pikachu for people to consider him over Cloud?
#438 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/25/2013 7:20:46 AM | message detail
Another thing is that Mega Man X is actually a different character from Mega Man Classic, and the same is true of DmC Dante vs. "normal" Dante. On the other hand, the various Links are all incarnations of the same character. Same with the various Zeldas. Heck, some old theories stated that the Link in the NES games is the same as the Link in the N64 games.
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#439 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/25/2013 7:24:20 AM | message detail | (edited)
Kibago posted...
I'd take the Sunflower over Red Bird on this site with these votals. it would still be pretty weak, though.


Red Bird would be immediately recognizable. Sunflower, I have no idea.

I'd take Peashooter > Red Bird with ease though. But yeah they'd all be weak. At least the game wasn't one of the worst of the worst in Game of the Decade, though it could have been helped by joke votes.

I think Skies of Arcadia is projected to get 57% on Plants vs. Zombies, but I could be wrong.

And yet the character with actual potential - Metal Gear REX - gets no discussion. REX is easily the strongest character not to make the field this year. I'd take REX over Liquid Snake.

Then again I suppose it isn't too likely that REX beats Jecht, and even Ken/Liquid/Chris would be tossups. Oh well.
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#440 | SoulDynasty | Posted 8/25/2013 7:23:33 AM | message detail
TheOneAboveAll posted...
So I still think Crono can 65/35 Frog. What percentage does Crono need on Pikachu for people to consider him over Cloud?


50.01%
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#441 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 7:30:04 AM | message detail
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#442 | Kibago | Posted 8/25/2013 7:32:59 AM | message detail
TheOneAboveAll posted...
So I still think Crono can 65/35 Frog. What percentage does Crono need on Pikachu for people to consider him over Cloud?


45%
for next year after Pikachu makes the finals
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#443 | abdou | Posted 8/25/2013 7:33:54 AM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
charmander6000 posted...
The major concern I had about Dante was if he took a hit in strength due to the new Devil May Cry game. While he was not in the game characters have taken drops and rises for the same reason. After his first round match I feel Dante is around his usual strength which makes me feel confident that he will win this match.


DmC Dante isn't Dante?


classic Dante is half demon half human, DmC Dante is half demon half angel , they are definitely not the same person
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#444 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/25/2013 7:36:23 AM | message detail | (edited)
Either Opera Mini is the worst mobile brower or this site mobile versions sucks
Double post everytime
#445 | ZFS | Posted 8/25/2013 7:40:19 AM | message detail
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FFX is now the #1 FF game on this site


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#446 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 8/25/2013 7:41:02 AM | message detail
Auron vs. Cloud, who do you pick?
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#447 | Whupassman | Posted 8/25/2013 7:42:39 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Either Opera Mini is the worst mobile brower or this site mobile versions sucks
Double post everytime


This is site is a B**** to post on in mobile mode especially during busy times.
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#448 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/25/2013 7:51:58 AM | message detail
Yeah, the mobile site sucks.
#449 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/25/2013 8:18:29 AM | message detail
Argh no REX discussion.

It's not necessarily that I'm peeved about no REX discussion. It's that I'm peeved about no REX discussion in favor of dumb crap.

Although I guess that dumb crap is more relevant right now. Still, we should be looking towards the future and not completely stuck in the present.
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#450 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/25/2013 8:18:51 AM | message detail
I would never take REX over Liquid, and that's coming from someone who has absolutely no faith in Liquid. Now, Gray Fox on the other hand... nah, probably not either.
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