Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1126

#351 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/23/2013 1:09:20 PM | message detail
Makes you wonder how strong Luigi was to keep even with Big Boss with Ness in the poll.
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#352 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/23/2013 1:10:07 PM | message detail
There's no proof that really substantiates Ike > Marth. After watching Phoenix Wright, there's little doubt in my mind that he could have given Ike the same beating or worse.
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#353 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2013 1:11:26 PM | message detail
That's because we've had very few solid reads on either character.

(Phoenix would beat Epona, too, so this is an irrelevant tangent...!)
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#354 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 8/23/2013 1:13:05 PM | message detail
Man, did Phoenix roid up or what this year? Incredible showing.
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#355 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2013 1:13:22 PM | message detail
Ike would beat on Epona normally, not terribly concerned about that. Epona may overperform because of some joke votes (esp w/that quote) and the format, but that will just help GlaDOS. If she has any strength - this is debatable - it won't be a problem.
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#356 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/23/2013 1:13:29 PM | message detail
Epona is too far ahead of Ike/Marth for that to happen.
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#357 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2013 1:14:02 PM | message detail
TheCodeisBosco posted...
Man, did Phoenix roid up or what this year? Incredible showing.


He's had a ton of stuff since the last contest, so it makes sense.
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#358 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/23/2013 1:14:18 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
There's no proof that really substantiates Ike > Marth. After watching Phoenix Wright, there's little doubt in my mind that he could have given Ike the same beating or worse.


I'm sorry, but Phoenix wouldn't beat Ike. Vincent would have smashed Phoenix into the floor if he hadn't had his picture sabotaged.
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#359 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2013 1:14:42 PM | message detail
Still clinging to illusions of Mordin's strength, eh. Poor Mordin.
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#360 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2013 1:14:57 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Epona is too far ahead of Ike/Marth for that to happen.


Keep tellin' yourself that, bro!

I'll take 55% on Marth over 60% on Mordin.
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#361 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/23/2013 1:14:58 PM | message detail
Nintendo character putting up 26% on Mario vs. Nintendo character putting up 28% on Sephiroth

HMMMM.
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#362 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2013 1:15:44 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Still clinging to illusions of Mordin's strength, eh. Poor Mordin.


It's okay. Yoblazer will get his comeuppance for his SHAMELESS BETRAYAL of Mordin last round.

I HOPE IT WAS WORTH IT
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#363 | HyperSage | Posted 8/23/2013 1:16:01 PM | message detail
*Checks leaderboard and sees that rank hasn't changed despite having Crash in 2nd*

Oh do I love and hate how much of a hive mind the leaderboard is.

And Phoenix only went up after losing to Jecht, might even beat him now.
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#364 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/23/2013 1:16:48 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Makes you wonder how strong Luigi was to keep even with Big Boss with Ness in the poll.


Actually it makes me wonder why Big Boss was considered such a huge favorite
Luigi is a beast,really
He beat Bowser-that so many people consider a near-elite or something

I took Luigi in my expert with no second thought and was surprised Big Boss was considered the favorite...and until Big Boss reached the 150 barrier,I believed Luigi could make a comeback
#365 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/23/2013 1:17:40 PM | message detail
Nintendo character putting up 26% on Mario vs. Nintendo character putting up 28% on Sephiroth


You know for a Nintendo character Ike held up quite well considering he went even against Proto Man.
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#366 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/23/2013 1:19:33 PM | message detail
Actually it makes me wonder why Big Boss was considered such a huge favorite
Luigi is a beast,really
He beat Bowser-that so many people consider a near-elite or something

I took Luigi in my expert with no second thought and was surprised Big Boss was considered the favorite...and until Big Boss reached the 150 barrier,I believed Luigi could make a comeback


Big Boss got almost 37% on Mario which is pretty good, add Ness in the poll and it's no surprised people went with Big Boss.
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#367 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/23/2013 1:20:01 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Makes you wonder how strong Luigi was to keep even with Big Boss with Ness in the poll.


Actually it makes me wonder why Big Boss was considered such a huge favorite
Luigi is a beast,really
He beat Bowser-that so many people consider a near-elite or something

I took Luigi in my expert with no second thought and was surprised Big Boss was considered the favorite...and until Big Boss reached the 150 barrier,I believed Luigi could make a comeback


I took Luigi in my bracket, too, but I'm not very good at analyzing matches before the contest begins. Going into the match, Big Boss became the favorite because Earthbound has a dedicated enough fanbase to hold up under Nintendo SFF, which is going to sap Luigi far more than anything from the MGS series.
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#368 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/23/2013 1:23:09 PM | message detail
Honestly, despite 'lol fire emblem', the series is going to end up looking pretty good.

40% on The Boss
45% on Phoenix Wright
Tharja was always going to be bad and pretty much was but 30% on Aerith is way more than I expected from her
Ike remains to be seen, but 51% on Proto Man pretty much validates his good 2010
Lyndis didn't exactly look good by the end, but getting doubled by Rikku is alright even before factoring in that ? Block probably hurt her a lot more than it hurt Rikku.
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#369 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/23/2013 1:26:14 PM | message detail
I had Luigi in my bracket but wasn't sure about it and after what The Boss did it was really hard to still have faith in Luigi winning so I bailed for the expert.
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#370 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2013 1:27:22 PM | message detail
Luigi's strength is dependent on how many votes you wanna spot him from Ness. With 60%, he gets 51% in a day match and loses by a bit in a 24 hour match. With 70% he gets 52% in a day match and should win by a bit in a 24 hour match. With 80% he gets over 53% in a day match and has a close but comfortable 24 hour win.

From there, it's how strong you think Big Boss is.
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#371 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2013 1:37:18 PM | message detail
Oh, and Bayo's doing significantly better on Alucard than Magus did. That might not be too unexpected by people, but... yep, Magus.
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#372 | ZFS | Posted 8/23/2013 1:40:34 PM | message detail
I do think Luigi absorbs most of the Ness votes (80%), but I also think Luigi's up there in that near elite category of characters these days, so even with that, BB is up there.
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#373 | swirIdude | Posted 8/23/2013 1:41:13 PM | message detail
From tied with sonic to below bayonetta. The last decade has been bad for Magus.
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#374 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/23/2013 1:48:15 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2111

It would be really strange if 8 years of FFVII decline later Luigi couldn't turn that around or at least make it really close.
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#375 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/23/2013 1:49:36 PM | message detail
Yeah you gotta give Luigi the edge there. I'm not sure if any of the Square near elites can beat him now. Vincent sure as hell wouldn't, and I wouldn't risk it on Auron. It's all up to Squall.
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#376 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2013 1:51:00 PM | message detail
It's kind of funny that ten years later, Luigi would probably get a solid amount of support to beat Squall.

And when Squall beats him again, people would RAGE ALL OVER AGAIN

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#377 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/23/2013 1:52:50 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
It's kind of funny that ten years later, Luigi would probably get a solid amount of support to beat Squall.

And when Squall beats him again, people would RAGE ALL OVER AGAIN

The rebirth of Fanta Shokata let's do this


Luigi > Squall upset? Pfft.

Get on my level of stupid.

2006 Squall > Snake.

(Would've totally happened if it weren't for that meddling Brawl AND THAT GEAR)
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#378 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 8/23/2013 1:53:26 PM | message detail
I would still take Squall > Luigi without a second thought.
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#379 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/23/2013 1:53:35 PM | message detail
Brawl derailed two Noble Nine breaker moments for Squall

Brawl worst game ever
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#380 | ZFS | Posted 8/23/2013 1:54:03 PM | message detail
Luigi over Squall this sounds like a match
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#381 | JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/23/2013 1:55:58 PM | message detail
Would take Luigi to beat Tifa and Auron too. With that pitiful performance, Vincent is totally out of the question. Squall could pose a good challenge but in Year of Luigi, we believe!
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#382 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2013 1:57:08 PM | message detail
Luigi getting 80% of Ness's votes is a very high estimate, one that I would be very surprised by. Based on the difference between Luigi/Liquid in R1 of '08 and R2 of '08 (when Bowser was introduced), it looks like Bowser voters would have favored Luigi over Liquid about at a rate of 70/30, which would line up roughly with the first round match. I wouldn't expect Ness defectors to have more overlap with Luigi than Bowser.
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#383 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/23/2013 1:58:00 PM | message detail
If we get another 1v1 contest, I feel like Vincent is going to end up burning us. Whether it'll be by Magusing it up or being old Vincent I have no clue.

(3) Vincent vs. (6) Knuckles winner to face Squall (and then Tifa in the division finals) let's go with a comedy retro bracket Bacon.
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#384 | ZFS | Posted 8/23/2013 1:58:50 PM | message detail
Squall probably does win with 53%-ish, though. He strikes me as someone who isn't going to fall the same way the others have. Still a lot better than 2003!
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#385 | LOLContests | Posted 8/23/2013 1:59:20 PM | message detail
swirIdude posted...
From tied with sonic to below bayonetta. The last decade has been bad for Magus.


In all fairness, Alucard's probably dropped off some. He was dropping off in 2005/2006 prior to getting SOTN on XBLA, so now that that's even farther removed, he's probably started dropping again. And assuming an 18 BL ranking for Rydia his performance on her would only put him at 21 on BL.

I know some people will argue my Rydia point, but there's only so high you can take her unless you want to make her equal to Cecil. Or make Cecil higher and put Wrex ahead of Garrus.

Of course, in all fairness Bayonetta is also probably getting Obvious Last Place Factor'd.
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#386 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2013 2:01:06 PM | message detail
And remember, for every near-elite you comfortably take Luigi over you gotta take Big Boss! 53% is the absolute highest theoretical estimate you could give for Luigi there, and that's all day match (and no, yo, Luigi is not going to 60/40 BB with Ness out of the poll because BB stood out and caused a voter paradigm shift, he didn't even stand out compared to Luigi).
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#387 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/23/2013 2:03:47 PM | message detail
I have no issue with Big Boss being that strong, I had him ranked as a near-elite before this contest.
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#388 | ZFS | Posted 8/23/2013 2:04:08 PM | message detail
I don't really have a problem taking BB pretty high, too. He's come a long way, and MGS in general seem to be performing at their best, for whatever reason.
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#389 | JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/23/2013 2:04:21 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
And remember, for every near-elite you comfortably take Luigi over you gotta take Big Boss!


I don't see anything wrong with that personally. I would take Big Boss over a good portion of near elites.
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#390 | ZFS | Posted 8/23/2013 2:06:22 PM | message detail
Like, if we're talking about Snake beating Cloud and Sephiroth, it doesn't seem farfetched that Big Boss beats Tifa and Vincent.
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#391 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/23/2013 2:06:25 PM | message detail
Just once I want to see MGS3 Big Boss v.s Solid ****.
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#392 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2013 2:11:08 PM | message detail
It's very possible that a 24 hour 1v1 Big Boss/Luigi match could have played out in a manner similar to Snake/Bowser, so MGS3 Big Boss v Sprite Solid Snake could certainly be interesting... but the SFF probably ruins it.
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#393 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/23/2013 2:19:49 PM | message detail
So what do you guys think is more likely for next round:

Kirby in first
Kirby in third
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#394 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/23/2013 2:21:26 PM | message detail
Going to be an easy Seph>Boss>Kirby
#395 | LOLContests | Posted 8/23/2013 2:22:06 PM | message detail
Kirby in third. He probably wouldn't do much better on Morrigan 1v1 than Sephiroth did, and anti-votes get less powerful the stronger the opponent gets.
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#396 | creativename | Posted 8/23/2013 2:27:12 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Lyndis didn't exactly look good by the end, but getting doubled by Rikku is alright even before factoring in that ? Block probably hurt her a lot more than it hurt Rikku.

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LeonhartFour posted...
It's kind of funny that ten years later, Luigi would probably get a solid amount of support to beat Squall.

And when Squall beats him again, people would RAGE ALL OVER AGAIN

The rebirth of Fanta Shokata let's do this

Ahahaha, I loved those things!! Oh my god the memories. 2K3 was definitely the best contest ever.
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#397 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2013 2:43:20 PM | message detail
And Snake breaks 73% on Alucard. what now Link
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#398 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/23/2013 2:45:26 PM | message detail
Good thing Draven is in this contest for unpredictability and interesting matches.
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#399 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/23/2013 3:08:35 PM | message detail
So goong to sleep I decided on Epona>GlaDOS>Ike
Just because Draven happened and Phoenix>Vincent
This contest doesn't make sense anymore so let's do a stupid pick that would fit!!
Or maybe I should pick Ike for second for maximum stupidity?
#400 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/23/2013 3:19:04 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
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26------4------------0.00
25------10----------0.00
24------1------------0.00
23------3------------0.00
22------4------------25.00
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Omitted scores got it wrong.

Easy match for those at the top but those in the middle found it more challenging. I suppose even a few people near the top didn't have Kirby winning the match.

No one fell off the Top 49.
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