Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1124

#201 | tgs2 | Posted 8/22/2013 12:35:24 AM | message detail
I think Seph does better than this if Barret and Vincent didn't already have their matches. I can see Cloud and Tifa similarly having bad performances due to people getting real sick of FF7 this round.
#202 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/22/2013 12:39:24 AM | message detail
Really hoping Big Boss beats Luigi now despite him not being my preferred character. I don't think either he or Kirby actually have a shot to beat Sephiroth, but it's going to be very lame if they don't get a fair chance to try and instead Sephiroth easily skates by on Nintendo LFF but probably looks kind of bad in doing so while we get a boring match for second we already saw in 2006. Hell, Sephiroth deserves the chance to prove he's still got some game against opponents of decent quality. I can't imagine his fans want him to get through the contest looking like THIS.

Nintendo fans, Metal Gear fans, Final Fantasy VII fans, and people who just want the possibility of a good match in Round 3 should all vote Big Boss next match. That way everybody wins!
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#203 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2013 12:40:46 AM | message detail
Tifa's the one FF7 character I just feel is incapable of looking bad this round. Shame, as she's my least favorite. Cloud I'm not that confident in either way, which is why he'll probably be my gauge for the round as I mentioned earlier.
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#204 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2013 12:41:32 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Really hoping Big Boss beats Luigi now despite him not being my preferred character. I don't think either he or Kirby actually have a shot to beat Sephiroth, but it's going to be very lame if they don't get a fair chance to try and instead Sephiroth easily skates by on Nintendo LFF but probably looks kind of bad in doing so while we get a boring match for second we already saw in 2006. Hell, Sephiroth deserves the chance to prove he's still got some game against opponents of decent quality. I can't imagine his fans want him to get through the contest looking like THIS.

Nintendo fans, Metal Gear fans, Final Fantasy VII fans, and people who just want the possibility of a good match in Round 3 should all vote Big Boss next match. That way everybody wins!


Year of Big Boss
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#205 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/22/2013 12:46:15 AM | message detail
Sabotage Kirby by giving him a picture from the American Kirby's Dreamland 2 commercial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVVG4FCq7w

Crash Bandicoot sails onward to Round 3.
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#206 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/22/2013 12:46:32 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Tifa's the one FF7 character I just feel is incapable of looking bad this round. Shame, as she's my least favorite. Cloud I'm not that confident in either way, which is why he'll probably be my gauge for the round as I mentioned earlier.


ya go my Tifa
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#207 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2013 12:59:04 AM | message detail
Somehow something stupid is going to happen like Boobs McGee becoming the strongest FF7 character by the end of this contest, I just know it.
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#208 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/22/2013 1:01:10 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Somehow something stupid is going to happen like Boobs McGee becoming the strongest FF7 character by the end of this contest, I just know it.


Squall gets to the finals alongside Cloud, fodderizes him and defeats Draven. Totally happening folks!
#209 | LOLContests | Posted 8/22/2013 1:01:25 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
We don't have a read on Morrigan since 2002 when she was probably helped out a ton by Mario anti-voting. And we probably still don't have a real read on her lol

Spyro we saw once more after 2002, when he did horrifically in 2007. Seph is 'expected' to 90/10 him based on that showing but lol if you think Seph can 90/10 anyone


In all fairness, we did see Spyro once more after that in a vote-in poll, and he didn't look completely horrible or anything, Not that that excuses Sephiroth's performance, but we do have some insight into his popularity.
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#210 | creativename | Posted 8/22/2013 1:15:25 AM | message detail
I'm surprised there hasn't been more Big Boss>Seph talk.

I suppose maybe because BB might lose to Luigi, but I doubt that. I think BB should be stronger than Luigi even without Ness there. This appears to be the year of MGS.

Do people expect Kirby to hurt BB by splitting the anti-Seph vote? Or maybe finally having 24 hour matches can save FF7.
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#211 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2013 1:18:48 AM | message detail
If Big Boss with Snake pictures functions as a Snake proxy, there's a bit of an argument that Kirby will undercut the SSB contingent of that Snake proxy. More likely is that Kirby undercuts the bandwagon. He did it in 2008 and almost cost Snake the match against Cloud.

If BB can beat Luigi and get that pointing picture, though, we could be in for something.
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#212 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/22/2013 1:22:18 AM | message detail
I sent a feedback ticket over the Vincent match pic and got this response:

"The picture used was the only portait-style picture submitted - all of the other submissions were close-ups of his face. If you want a better match pictures, submit them!"
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#213 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/22/2013 1:35:48 AM | message detail
Again, lame response where he once again deflects blame and acts like he had no choice but to use it. Bacon has made match pictures when there were none that were acceptable by the standards he laid out.
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#214 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/22/2013 1:36:32 AM | message detail
And the whole "If you want [insert this here], do it yourself" is coming across in a very condescending manner, mostly because it's coming across as blame displacement.
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#215 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/22/2013 1:41:32 AM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
If Big Boss with Snake pictures functions as a Snake proxy, there's a bit of an argument that Kirby will undercut the SSB contingent of that Snake proxy. More likely is that Kirby undercuts the bandwagon. He did it in 2008 and almost cost Snake the match against Cloud.

If BB can beat Luigi and get that pointing picture, though, we could be in for something.


And to add to this, if there's one thing we've learned about Kirby over the years, it's that he absolutely will not fold under any circumstances. He had every reason to fold in Sephiroth/Sonic/Dante and instead he went out and beat Sonic. He had every reason to fold in Cloud/Snake/Seph and held up like a champ. He's .01% away from being the only character not named Link or Cloud to break 45% in every 1-on-1 match he's ever had.

Even in losing to L-Block with DK in the match in 2007, Kirby still put up 47% on the Block. If DK isn't there, Kirby likely eliminates L-Block before it has a chance to do anything.

Kirby fans are a hardcore bunch.
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#216 | Janus5000 | Posted 8/22/2013 2:08:43 AM | message detail
Can't wait for Kirby to put up 45% on Sephiroth.

(man after today that almost looks possible holy christ Seph)
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#217 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 8/22/2013 2:36:44 AM | message detail
Luigi > Big Boss
Luigi > Seph
Luigi > Draven
Luigi > Snake and Mario somehow

Year of Luigi
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#218 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/22/2013 3:00:16 AM | message detail
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#219 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/22/2013 3:07:50 AM | message detail
Y'know, I can forgive 64% on Morrigan. Whatever, she might well be decent - stranger things have happened this contest. But 70% on Spyro. That's tough. If Crash doesn't put in a really good showing too I'm abandoning Seph against Big Boss (assuming he wins).
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#220 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/22/2013 3:10:23 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Again, lame response where he once again deflects blame and acts like he had no choice but to use it. Bacon has made match pictures when there were none that were acceptable by the standards he laid out.


I just wonder what happens if suit Vincent doesn't get submitted. Does he just take a few minutes to correctly crop some FFVII art like he should have done, or does he take something that's *GASP* not portrait style?
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#221 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/22/2013 3:12:06 AM | message detail
What's up with all these Big Boss > Seph talks, that's just plain wishful thinking.

*Looks at results*

Wait, only 64% against Morrigan? Go Big Boss!!!!
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#222 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/22/2013 3:38:28 AM | message detail
Maybe if pic makers didn't suck at their jobs, we wouldn't have Vincent fans using his pic as an excuse for jobbing to Phoenix Wright.

If Big Boss wins today, I could easily see both him and Kirby beating Sephiroth. Luigi would have to SFF Kirby hard meanwhile to have a good shot.

I'd f***ing love to see Luigi win and beat Sephiroth despite Kirby, of course, but Big Boss is the better choice if you want to see Sephy job it hard.

Also, why are people talking about Sonic making the semis when we all know Mewtwo's going to school him and Bowser next round? This isn't just two super-fodder characters and then a horrible pic disadvantage, this is pure strength even without reddit rallies!
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#223 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 8/22/2013 4:12:17 AM | message detail
Even accounting for the picture, FF7 has looked freaking bad this contest.

LET'S GO KIRBY
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#224 | abdou | Posted 8/22/2013 4:49:18 AM | message detail
This contest is terrible and I will pretend it does not exists, especially when DRAVEN wins it.

hopefully we get a 1vs1 contest int the future without the LoL and Touhou etc crap.
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#225 | StarStormScream | Posted 8/22/2013 5:15:11 AM | message detail | (edited)
Heh, absolutely love that it took Seph 3 and a half hours to finally break 50%. Morrigan showing those SF morning trends though, lol. C'mon gurl, complete this awesome performance by cutting Seph once, I know you can do it! :)

Also, good show Spyro, anti-votes or not, you appear not to be quite the same garbage anymore.
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#226 | General_Zimbad | Posted 8/22/2013 5:08:46 AM | message detail
abdou posted...
This contest is terrible and I will pretend it does not exists, especially when DRAVEN wins it.

hopefully we get a 1vs1 contest int the future without the LoL and Touhou etc crap.


I actually like 3-ways. Expert challenge is pretty interesting, adds a lot more difficulty and makes matches which would have been boring (e.g. noble nine vs 2 fodder) interesting.

Plus with the setup we had this year I think the final would have been super interesting (Link/Snake/Mario). But now draven kinda wrecked that. I think link would have lost to snake tbh.
#227 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/22/2013 5:15:49 AM | message detail
Big Boss over Luigi means he is in the top 5 characters outside of the NN
Somehow I doubt it sorry
#228 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/22/2013 6:59:29 AM | message detail
Match LXXXIX: (2) Luigi vs. (5) Big Boss vs. (11) Ness

Previous Round

Luigi – 64.69%
Balthier Bunansa – 23.07%
Jade – 12.24%

Big Boss – 74.89%
Captain Viridian – 13.51%
Peacock – 11.60%

Ness – 47.01%
Locke Cole – 31.83%
CATS – 21.16%

Analysis

Pre-contest this match lost some hype because Ness was going to be in the match and could siphon enough votes from Luigi to give Big Boss the win. Ness has been quite unlucky running into Mario characters for a lot of his contest career. He also gets crushed by them too which is good news for Luigi as he will be hurt less by Ness. There is also the chance that he could be SFF even worse than what Bowser or Mario did after how badly Wolf and Falco were crushed which again will be helpful for Luigi.

Even with Ness in the poll Luigi always had a chance at winning. For one he has been given a large media campaign and games celebrating his anniversary. Luigi looked very good last round easily beating Balthier by more than what Ryu did in 2010. This could be because people are forgetting Final Fantasy XII, but it could also be a sign of a boost.

As impressive as Big Boss looked last round you cannot take much information on crushing fodder. Assuming Luigi did not get a boost I would have taken Big Boss over Luigi in a straight up match. Metal Gear characters have also been looking pretty good, including The Boss which could suggest a boost for Big Boss as well with his big game being Metal Gear Solid 3.

I am going to stick with Big Boss, but I feel Luigi can very easily win this match, especially if Ness is reduced to almost nothing. With the way Lightning fell against Donkey Kong I feel Balthier was more of a result of a drop than Luigi becoming a lot stronger.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Big Boss > Luigi and Ness

charmander6000’s Prediction: Big Boss – 45.73%, Luigi – 41.95%, Ness – 12.92%
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#229 | creativename | Posted 8/22/2013 7:15:02 AM | message detail
Oh hot damn, Seph skyrocketed up something fierce. Prior to this match when I saw the match pic I thought doubling Morrigan would be solid (as I said, I'm high on Morrigan's strength, I think people really underrate her), looks like he'll get that.

It seems that 24 hour matches might save FF7's bacon after all. The difference between 12 and 24 hours for them never ceases to surprise me. When Seph was only at like 63% hours into the match I didn't expect him to rise this much! I thought the doubling was out of the question, but man, FF7. They rarely fail to look absurdly pitiful early and godlike late.

I guess just like everyone else, I never learn!

Not_Wylvane posted...
Maybe if pic makers didn't suck at their jobs, we wouldn't have Vincent fans using his pic as an excuse for jobbing to Phoenix Wright.

Except that the pic maker for Vincent didn't suck at his job, that jackass sabotaged Vincent on purpose.

Also, why are people talking about Sonic making the semis when we all know Mewtwo's going to school him and Bowser next round?

...I can't tell if you're being serious or not. But the character who couldn't break 60% on Phoenix Wright isn't beating Sonic. Not unless Bowser LFFs Sonic something fierce.
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#230 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 8/22/2013 7:17:39 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
Oh hot damn, Seph skyrocketed up something fierce. Prior to this match when I saw the match pic I thought doubling Morrigan would be solid (as I said, I'm high on Morrigan's strength, I think people really underrate her), looks like he'll get that.


Couldn't agree more with this. Morrigan is criminally underrated by most and I can't for the life of me work out why.
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#231 | swordz9 | Posted 8/22/2013 7:18:25 AM | message detail
I thought Sephiroth would be looking a lot better than this. Morrigan and Spyro are making him look pretty bad.
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#232 | creativename | Posted 8/22/2013 7:19:39 AM | message detail
Swarles_Barkley posted...
I sent a feedback ticket over the Vincent match pic and got this response:

"The picture used was the only portait-style picture submitted - all of the other submissions were close-ups of his face. If you want a better match pictures, submit them!"

The even stupider thing is that close-ups of faces isn't too different from what all these other characters are getting.

There had to be some really awkward double standard there because SB's excuse makes no damn sense. He's losing it!

I blame Touhou. They must have infected his mind.
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#233 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/22/2013 7:23:43 AM | message detail
Mewtwo/Sonic/Bowser is right after Draven kicks Link's ass
If Mewtwo doesn't get Link proxy votes,this contest is doomed
I grow tired already of pointing out why only Mewtwo can beat Draven

But what do I expect..this board underestimate Pokemon for 3 years now,and it's not going to stop anytime soon
#234 | StarStormScream | Posted 8/22/2013 7:25:54 AM | message detail
ShatteredElysium posted...
creativename posted...
Oh hot damn, Seph skyrocketed up something fierce. Prior to this match when I saw the match pic I thought doubling Morrigan would be solid (as I said, I'm high on Morrigan's strength, I think people really underrate her), looks like he'll get that.


Couldn't agree more with this. Morrigan is criminally underrated by most and I can't for the life of me work out why.


Fighting characters not-named Ryu are typically underrated here. She's very popular within her own genre but most people that don't play fighters here don't seem to grasp that.

With that said, she's my favorite VG character and even I didn't envision her looking this good, anti-FF7 votes or no. Glad to see she's going out with a bang.
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#235 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 8/22/2013 7:26:00 AM | message detail
We can't have Mewtwo beat Draven. Think of what it would do to Chester in the x-stats!
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#236 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/22/2013 7:30:26 AM | message detail
ShatteredElysium posted...
We can't have Mewtwo beat Draven. Think of what it would do to Chester in the x-stats!


Screw Chester
The only characters I really care about in this contest are Mega Man characters and Pokemon
And X is below Chie
The x-stats are ruined and I want a Pokemon character to take revenge for X
Even though I like Pokemon I swear i'm being objective about Mewtwo being the only chance (if he gets Link votes,of course) since he is the easiest character to rally
#237 | creativename | Posted 8/22/2013 7:31:14 AM | message detail
ShatteredElysium posted...
Couldn't agree more with this. Morrigan is criminally underrated by most and I can't for the life of me work out why.

Indeed, and people for some reason always want some excuse as to why she did well. e.g. "Oh it's just a TJF pic". As if it's even possible for Morrigan to not have a great pic. (I guess paulg could pull it off...)

The worst was "she did well due to Mario anti-votes" way back in the day. Like, really now?? You can use that for Servbot but not Morrigan, she's always been strong.

Nanis23 posted...
Mewtwo/Sonic/Bowser is right after Draven kicks Link's ass
If Mewtwo doesn't get Link proxy votes,this contest is doomed
I grow tired already of pointing out why only Mewtwo can beat Draven

But what do I expect..this board underestimate Pokemon for 3 years now,and it's not going to stop anytime soon

LOL at Mewtwo being the one that can beat Draven :) Underestimating Pokemon? People here have been drinking the Pokemon Kool-Aid all contest! But Metwo? That's crazy talk and nothing more.
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#238 | creativename | Posted 8/22/2013 7:34:00 AM | message detail
Mewtwo is not even close to being the easiest character to rally...Mario and Snake are easier to rally for. Mewtwo also lacks the strength to actually do anything other than fold horribly. Hell Kirby is probably a better bet.

This notion of Mewtwo being our lord and savior is poppycock, friend! ;)
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#239 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/22/2013 7:34:02 AM | message detail
Underestimate Pokemon? Have you not heard of the term Pokefear
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#240 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/22/2013 7:36:37 AM | message detail
The strongest argument for Morrigan being not worth much was that it's been 11 years since her only contest match, and it's not like we don't have a history of female characters (either fighting game OR Capcom) who did well in 2002, vanished for a while, and came back as far, far weaker (Kasumi and Claire).

I mean, Morrigan was never losing to Spyro, and we still can't really judge anything from this because lol FFVII.
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#241 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/22/2013 7:36:41 AM | message detail
Mewtwo wouldn't be so bad of a plan if it weren't for the giant katana in the way.

Seph just isn't going to fold like that.
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#242 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 8/22/2013 7:41:07 AM | message detail
I think I prefer my characters having terrible board votes and constantly go up through the day. It's always fun seeing FFVII characters skyrocket after the first hour.
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#243 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/22/2013 7:45:33 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
ShatteredElysium posted...
Couldn't agree more with this. Morrigan is criminally underrated by most and I can't for the life of me work out why.

Indeed, and people for some reason always want some excuse as to why she did well. e.g. "Oh it's just a TJF pic". As if it's even possible for Morrigan to not have a great pic. (I guess paulg could pull it off...)

The worst was "she did well due to Mario anti-votes" way back in the day. Like, really now?? You can use that for Servbot but not Morrigan, she's always been strong.

Nanis23 posted...
Mewtwo/Sonic/Bowser is right after Draven kicks Link's ass
If Mewtwo doesn't get Link proxy votes,this contest is doomed
I grow tired already of pointing out why only Mewtwo can beat Draven

But what do I expect..this board underestimate Pokemon for 3 years now,and it's not going to stop anytime soon

LOL at Mewtwo being the one that can beat Draven :) Underestimating Pokemon? People here have been drinking the Pokemon Kool-Aid all contest! But Metwo? That's crazy talk and nothing more.


OK,so who?
Link will lose in the third round
Fourth round it will be Draven/Sonic/Sephiroth(or Luigi and Big Boss if you are crazy enough)
Sonic and Sephiroth has no chance to win where Link failed,and Big Boss is a weaker version of Solid Snake-again,no chance
Luigi? if Nintendo decides to go crazy and "wow cool Luigi in Gamefaqs character battle during Year of Luigi! let's put a giant ad and ask for people to vote for him!" then yes we got our Draven Killer right here
But it won't happen in million years

So..Draven advance..and then he meets...
Snake/Cloud/Pikachu/Crono/Blue/Sora/Samus/Mario/Squall/Missingno/Red/Megaman/Charizard/Zelda

Charizard and Pikachu are stronger than Mewtwo,but at this point if Draven beat Mewtwo easily because everyone decided he is not worth rallying,then Pikachu and Charizard won't get rallied as well
The same goes for Red and Blue

Squall and Sora are weaker versions of Sephiroth- if he lose,they lose too
Mario,Samus and Snake are the last hope - but can they really make it where Link failed...? only Mario,but at this point there is no way Draven fans will let him lose

Also-there is the problem I mentioned 1000 times already-YOU CAN'T RALLY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN POKEMON
Just look
http://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/search?q=sonic&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on&t=all
http://www.reddit.com/r/FinalFantasy/search?q=final+fantasy&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on&t=all
http://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/search?q=Metal+Gear+Solid&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on&t=all
http://www.reddit.com/r/Metroid/search?q=metroid&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on&t=all
http://www.reddit.com/r/Mario/search?q=mario&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on&t=all

And now
http://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/search?q=pokemon&sort=relevance&restrict_sr=on&t=all
SEE?
#244 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/22/2013 7:46:06 AM | message detail
I'm for the all-of-the-above option when it comes to the attempt to defeat Draven. Rally Link, and if that fails, rally Mewtwo, and if that fails, rally Mario.
#245 | Achromatic | Posted 8/22/2013 7:47:23 AM | message detail
I wouldn't want to meet Missingno in a dark alley if I was Draven.
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#246 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/22/2013 7:49:14 AM | message detail
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that if Missingno reach the finals somehow we got ourself a champion
But it won't happen because people are tired of "the joke"
#247 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/22/2013 7:50:24 AM | message detail
If Missingno/Draven happened Snake/Cloud/(Pikachu?Epona?Hell if I know) is gonna get sub-10%.
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#248 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/22/2013 8:01:53 AM | message detail
so the idea is to throw Mewtwo and Mario at Draven if Link fails
#249 | xp1337 | Posted 8/22/2013 8:12:10 AM | message detail
Huh, before I left I was thinking I was being a bit too hard on Seph and that he could reach 51% and get to about 65% on Morrigan.

I come back to see him near 52% and over 66% on Morrigan. That's something at least!
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#250 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 8/22/2013 8:25:11 AM | message detail
Seph about to hit 52% next update
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