Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1123

#1 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/21/2013 6:09:47 AM | message detail
I've been inspired by the Vincent pic to sabotage as many character pics in debated matches as possible. Quick, what's the derpiest pic of Crono I could use to ensure Pikachu gets over 50%?

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#2 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/21/2013 6:10:17 AM | message detail
Clearly Cronodoll zoomed in.
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#3 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/21/2013 9:17:15 AM | message detail
Sub-Zero's slowly getting away. Might end up being another close one for second.
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#4 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:18:28 AM | message detail
Oh man, quite a start for Sub-Zero. This I'm willing to say makes ME look kinda bad - The Boss is doing better than Garrus, in the daytime! Definitely a reevaluating factor for the upcoming Wrex upset, which suddenly looks a lot further off.

But meanwhile, um... The Boss/Sub-Zero or Barret/Dracula, who you got...?
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#5 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 8/21/2013 9:19:24 AM | message detail
Crono's mom with Crono's hair photoshopped on
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#6 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/21/2013 9:19:53 AM | message detail
You know who else looks abysmal if this isn't just a strange start?
Sora.
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#7 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/21/2013 9:20:00 AM | message detail
Updated Top 10

Top 10 Smallest Night Vote Gaps
1. Missingno – 11567 vs. Tidus – 11544 – Round 1 – 23
2. Lloyd Irving – 6223 vs. Big Daddy – 6177 – Round 1 – 46
3. Alucard – 10242 vs. Captain Falcon – 10139 – Round 1 – 103
4. Tharja – 11016 vs. Tiny Tina – 10753 – Round 1 – 263
5. Claptrap – 7483 vs. Lenneth Valkyrie – 7056 – Round 1 – 427
6. Captain Viridian – 3128 vs. Peacock – 2685 – Round 1 – 443
7. Tom Nook – 7496 vs. Pyramid Head – 7000 – Round 1 – 496
8. Nathan Drake – 9667 vs. Pac-Man – 8974 – Round 1 – 693
9. Isaac – 4443 vs. Tingle – 3463 – Round 1 – 980
10. Phoenix Wright – 8374 vs. Vincent Valentine – 7227 – Round 2 – 1147

Top 10 Most Popular Night Polls
1. Draven vs. Mega Man X vs. Ryu – Round 2 – 84778
2. Draven vs. Jak vs. Chie Satonaka – Round 1 – 39737
3. Yoshi vs. Solaire of Astora vs. Demi-Fiend – Round 1 – 30487
4. Tharja vs. Tiny Tina vs. Juliet Starling – Round 1 – 30420
5. Link vs. Isaac vs. Tingle – Round 1 – 28930
6. Missingno vs. Tidus vs. Banjo – Round 1 – 28503
7. Alucard vs. Captain Falcon vs. Rydia – Round 1 – 28202
8. Sephiroth vs. Midna vs. Little Mac – Round 1 – 28199
9. Tifa Lockheart vs. Chun-Li vs. Cirno – Round 1 – 28140
10. Mewtwo vs. Phoenix Wright vs. Vincent Valentine – Round 2 – 27997

Top 10 Least Predictable Matches
1. Draven vs. Mega Man X vs. Ryu – Round 2 – 9.20%
2. Yuna vs. Master Chief vs. Claire Redfield – Round 1 – 15.40%
3. Urdnot Wrex vs. Cecil Harvey vs. Pit – Round 1 – 23.71%
4. Mr. Game & Watch vs. Lee Everett vs. Meat Boy – Round 1 – 26.40%
5. Catherine vs. Neku Sakaruba vs. Vaas Montenegro – Round 1 – 30.43%
6. Pokemon Trainer Blue vs. Fox McCloud vs. Wolf O’Donnell – Round 1 – 32.98%
7. Mewtwo vs. Phoenix Wright vs. Vincent Valentine – Round 2 – 33.98%
8. Rikku vs. ? Block vs. Lyndis – Round 1 – 35.60%
9. Draven vs. Jak vs. Chie Satonaka – Round 1 – 38.19%
10. Wario vs. Creeper vs. The King of All Cosmos – Round 1 – 39.12%
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#8 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:20:33 AM | message detail
Although, that is an excellent picture of The Boss. Does anyone know where it's from?

Bowser's also expected to 70/30 The Boss based on 2010 stats. Either he went down/was overrated or she went up.
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#9 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/21/2013 9:23:12 AM | message detail
Although, that is an excellent picture of The Boss. Does anyone know where it's from?

Bowser's also expected to 70/30 The Boss based on 2010 stats. Either he went down/was overrated or she went up.


MGS3 3DS boost
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#10 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/21/2013 9:24:29 AM | message detail
This seems like it will look more normal when all is over. Subby is pulling away.
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#11 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:24:42 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Although, that is an excellent picture of The Boss. Does anyone know where it's from?

Bowser's also expected to 70/30 The Boss based on 2010 stats. Either he went down/was overrated or she went up.


MGS3 3DS boost


Big Boss coming for Luigi's hea-

who am I kidding Instruction Manual Big Boss here we come
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#12 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 8/21/2013 9:25:58 AM | message detail
Bowser starting to fall faster
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#13 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/21/2013 9:26:01 AM | message detail
The hell. Did the boss just.....
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#14 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:26:25 AM | message detail
Maybe Sub will look relatively normal compared to Bowser, but this would still be kind of crazy from The Boss. It's a shame she keeps getting stuck in day matches, because she arguably has the worst day vote in the history of ever, even by MGS standards.

The Boss > Dracula probably seems safe now, I'd hope.
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#15 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/21/2013 9:26:51 AM | message detail
The Boss will not give up without a fight
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#16 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:27:40 AM | message detail
are you kidding me Boss

you don't have to have a surprising win against someone in EVERY contest
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#17 | tgs2 | Posted 8/21/2013 9:27:52 AM | message detail
The Boss might end up cutting bowser when the power hour is over at this rate
#18 | Qwaar | Posted 8/21/2013 9:29:29 AM | message detail
OK, if people could just stop voting for The Boss that would be swell.
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#19 | Sorozone | Posted 8/21/2013 9:30:48 AM | message detail
Reddit is the place to go.

http://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/1kt82b/the_boss_needs_you_vote_for_here_against_subzero/

Don't know if that is what is causing The Boss boost or what. In any case we'll find out with the updates.
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#20 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/21/2013 9:30:56 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Maybe Sub will look relatively normal compared to Bowser, but this would still be kind of crazy from The Boss. It's a shame she keeps getting stuck in day matches, because she arguably has the worst day vote in the history of ever, even by MGS standards.

The Boss > Dracula probably seems safe now, I'd hope.


Even compared to CT characters?
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#21 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/21/2013 9:30:58 AM | message detail
Yeah at this rate Sub-Zero will look fine against Bowser
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#22 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/21/2013 9:33:45 AM | message detail
ya go my boss
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#23 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:34:44 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Maybe Sub will look relatively normal compared to Bowser, but this would still be kind of crazy from The Boss. It's a shame she keeps getting stuck in day matches, because she arguably has the worst day vote in the history of ever, even by MGS standards.

The Boss > Dracula probably seems safe now, I'd hope.


Even compared to CT characters?


CT gets the bad rap nowadays, but before Snake got his SSB boost MGS's day vote was legendarily worse than Chrono Trigger's. It's what Crono used to put away Snake back in 2002.

The Boss is the last vanguard of that terrible MGS vote, because she gets her strength entirely from MGS3 and virtually nothing else. No SSB stuff, no Snake proxy... just MGS strength.

If she can keep this fight up it looks good for Metal Gear.
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#24 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/21/2013 9:35:36 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Maybe Sub will look relatively normal compared to Bowser, but this would still be kind of crazy from The Boss. It's a shame she keeps getting stuck in day matches, because she arguably has the worst day vote in the history of ever, even by MGS standards.

The Boss > Dracula probably seems safe now, I'd hope.


Even compared to CT characters?


CT gets the bad rap nowadays, but before Snake got his SSB boost MGS's day vote was legendarily worse than Chrono Trigger's. It's what Crono used to put away Snake back in 2002.

The Boss is the last vanguard of that terrible MGS vote, because she gets her strength entirely from MGS3 and virtually nothing else. No SSB stuff, no Snake proxy... just MGS strength.

If she can keep this fight up it looks good for Metal Gear.


I see.
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#25 | CrushDavis | Posted 8/21/2013 9:35:44 AM | message detail
This may end up being one of Subbys best performances if he can maintain 40% plus on Bowser here.
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#26 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:37:53 AM | message detail
I do think the Power Hour favors Boss though, so her chances are slim at best... she's gotta hold out hope that Sub-Zero should be doing worse relative to her based on like expert picks, or something.

But, moral victories, for sure.
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#27 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/21/2013 9:39:41 AM | message detail
This may end up being one of Subbys best performances if he can maintain 40% plus on Bowser here.

He'd have to do better, he's broken 40% against Auron twice (including in 2006 KH2 boost) and broke 45% on pre-Brawl announcement Sonic.
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#28 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/21/2013 9:44:06 AM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
This may end up being one of Subbys best performances if he can maintain 40% plus on Bowser here.

He'd have to do better, he's broken 40% against Auron twice (including in 2006 KH2 boost) and broke 45% on pre-Brawl announcement Sonic.


Speaking of which, something bothers me about Sub-Zero breaking 45% on Sonic. How come he only did it in round 1? Because that just smells like a fluke to me, even if Sonic Team sucked in multi-way polls.
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#29 | ViviffTheMBA | Posted 8/21/2013 9:43:36 AM | message detail
If this Mewtwo rally garbage doesn't happen, I like Bowser's chances next round
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#30 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/21/2013 9:43:50 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
charmander6000 posted...
This may end up being one of Subbys best performances if he can maintain 40% plus on Bowser here.

He'd have to do better, he's broken 40% against Auron twice (including in 2006 KH2 boost) and broke 45% on pre-Brawl announcement Sonic.


Speaking of which, something bothers me about Sub-Zero breaking 45% on Sonic. How come he only did it in round 1? Because that just smells like a fluke to me...
Well, Sonic did get announced for Brawl between rounds!
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#31 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/21/2013 9:45:20 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
charmander6000 posted...
This may end up being one of Subbys best performances if he can maintain 40% plus on Bowser here.

He'd have to do better, he's broken 40% against Auron twice (including in 2006 KH2 boost) and broke 45% on pre-Brawl announcement Sonic.


Speaking of which, something bothers me about Sub-Zero breaking 45% on Sonic. How come he only did it in round 1? Because that just smells like a fluke to me...
Well, Sonic did get announced for Brawl between rounds!


Okay. That said, however, I seem to have issues thinking he'd be able to do it again 1-on-1.
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#32 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/21/2013 9:46:19 AM | message detail
Yeah Brawl announcement was the only thing stopping Squall (and probably even Sora, with both in the poll) from defeating him in 2007.
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#33 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/21/2013 9:47:22 AM | message detail
I expected better from Subby than this, though I'm sure he'll keep rising after the power hour.

Boss doing better than expected can't help either.
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#34 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:49:59 AM | message detail
The Boss is doing 8% better than she's projected to right now on Bowser, in the Power Hour. Something's up with one, two, or all three of these characters, but I have no idea what yet.
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#35 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/21/2013 9:51:23 AM | message detail
Clearly Sub-Zero and Bowser are Casual Fighting Game LFFing.
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#36 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/21/2013 9:52:59 AM | message detail
Votals aren't that high, either.
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#37 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/21/2013 9:53:45 AM | message detail
I mean on the other hand Marth is stronger than Vincent so Chrom is clearly about as strong as Donkey Kong.

You are realizing that this result means a somewhat vaguely remotely viable argument can be made for Chrom beating Lightning.
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#38 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/21/2013 9:54:28 AM | message detail
Well, The Boss's 2010 value goes through Weighed Companion Cube/Luigi. That match could very easily be untrustworthy.

Or maybe Luigi is a potential Noble Nine breaker and Sonic barely outperforming him on Link wasn't as bad as it looked.
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#39 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 9:57:52 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Well, The Boss's 2010 value goes through Weighed Companion Cube/Luigi. That match could very easily be untrustworthy.

Or maybe Luigi is a potential Noble Nine breaker and Sonic barely outperforming him on Link wasn't as bad as it looked.


Luigi being that high in the stratosphere means that Amaterasu could potentially beat Bowser based on her match in 2010 with Luigi.
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#40 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/21/2013 9:58:29 AM | message detail
Amaterasu > Squall confirmed.
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#41 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/21/2013 9:59:18 AM | message detail
Clearly Shadow's always been at 2003 levels and he's just been making it look like he's not that strong.
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#42 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/21/2013 9:59:33 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
The Boss is doing 8% better than she's projected to right now on Bowser, in the Power Hour. Something's up with one, two, or all three of these characters, but I have no idea what yet.


If you're projecting on 2010, I thought it was agreed that Bowser was massively overrated due to Charizard.
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#43 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/21/2013 9:59:45 AM | message detail
Boss simply boosted through the roof. This shouldn't be all that surprising, considering the amount of rereleases MGS3 has had since the last contest: MGS3D, MGS HD collection, MGS Legacy. That's almost FFIV tier.
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#44 | tgs2 | Posted 8/21/2013 10:01:40 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
Well, The Boss's 2010 value goes through Weighed Companion Cube/Luigi. That match could very easily be untrustworthy.

Or maybe Luigi is a potential Noble Nine breaker and Sonic barely outperforming him on Link wasn't as bad as it looked.


Luigi being that high in the stratosphere means that Amaterasu could potentially beat Bowser based on her match in 2010 with Luigi.


Not too hard to think about it if you think someone like Bowser can lose a step from oversaturation since he isn't as... iconic as Mario/Player 2 in that sense?
#45 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 10:02:33 AM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
Well, The Boss's 2010 value goes through Weighed Companion Cube/Luigi. That match could very easily be untrustworthy.

Or maybe Luigi is a potential Noble Nine breaker and Sonic barely outperforming him on Link wasn't as bad as it looked.


Luigi being that high in the stratosphere means that Amaterasu could potentially beat Bowser based on her match in 2010 with Luigi.


Not too hard to think about it if you think someone like Bowser can lose a step from oversaturation since he isn't as... iconic as Mario/Player 2 in that sense?


...no, Amaterasu beating Bowser is very hard to imagine for me.
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#46 | superange128 | Posted 8/21/2013 10:03:36 AM | message detail
so this makes Chrom kinda look good

sweet
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#47 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/21/2013 10:03:40 AM | message detail
Using what she's expected to get against Luigi and making them equal she's overperforming by about 6% on Bowser

I guess most of us would take Luigi > Bowser, but not by that much.
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#49 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/21/2013 10:05:01 AM | message detail
so this makes Chrom kinda look good

Looks like he's around high to borderline fodder right now.
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#50 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 10:06:11 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
AxemRedRanger posted...
Well, The Boss's 2010 value goes through Weighed Companion Cube/Luigi. That match could very easily be untrustworthy.

Or maybe Luigi is a potential Noble Nine breaker and Sonic barely outperforming him on Link wasn't as bad as it looked.


Luigi being that high in the stratosphere means that Amaterasu could potentially beat Bowser based on her match in 2010 with Luigi.
Is that still the case if you assume Mario/Charizard and Charizard/Bowser were normal and linear results?

I mean, Charizard got about what he needed to in Round 1 to prove his strength, RIGHT?

(It's probably Luigi vs. joke character being wonky and/or lots of MGS3 remakes.)


It's not actually based on Charizard or Bowser in 2010. It's based on Luigi's direct match with Amaterasu and Luigi/Cube + Cube/The Boss. Ammy is expected to 60/40 Boss and she's up to 38.5% right now on Bowser... and rising.
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