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The Owner of FF9 posted...

Does everyone truly believe that Bacon is blatantly lying about the Draven match being legit?

I'd love to know how the entire world being blue is obvious stuffing. If it was really obvious cheating, wouldn't only a few countries be massively in Draven's favor?
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ok so uh now that PW has truly murdered Vincent and Marth who do you take him to beat one on one out of these:

Squall/Auron/Dante/Crono
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None?
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I just gave you math that shows you that Ryu+MMX were getting about 2.4% of the "rallied" votes at the same time when Jak + Chie were getting like 30% of them. That looks pretty obvious to me.

Well, not obvious obvious in that you have to do some math to derive it but yeah.

Should also be noted Draven has some stupid looking Marisa tier map regions if you look for them. Just saying.

Just for the record I think Draven wins the match either way but his legitimate percentage is more like 40% there. It doesn't matter this round but will next round.
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The Owner of FF9 posted...

Does everyone truly believe that Bacon is blatantly lying about the Draven match being legit?

I'd love to know how the entire world being blue is obvious stuffing. If it was really obvious cheating, wouldn't only a few countries be massively in Draven's favor?

There was a legit rally plus a large amount of stuffing; it's the logical explanation as to how MMX+Ryu were getting so few of the rallied votes compared to Jak+Chie.
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Phoenix is clearly able to tamper with the match pics. He'd be able to sabotage Dante with Donte and Squall with ol' Smiling.
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Phoenix will put all his opponents in suits.
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Hmm, did the Draven rally for the original thread happen to list Jak and Chie as his opponents? I know the one used yesterday (wisely) didn't mention who he was against.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

Marth is a Smash leech that gets some votes from his games, but probably not much. The older FE games with Marth in them never came to America, they basically suck these days, and nobody has played them. Even people going back through the Japan-only games with ROMs and translation patches generally just skip Marth's games and go straight to FE4 or later. The Shadow Dragon remake on DS came out in the west but it also sucked and was VERY negatively received by the fanbase and has the ratings and reviews to prove it. It might have even hurt him; in addition to the game sucking, Marth is pretty boring there, he's a required unit but pretty bad at combat, and "that guy from Melee and Brawl" might very well have preferable.

The Smash connection was a good draw for many people getting into Fire Emblem when FE7 first came to the west a decade ago, but I don't get the sense that anyone in the non-Japanese FE fanbase cares about Marth at this point. The only game we've gotten with Marth in it sucked. All he's got is the "Are Marth and Roy in this game?" joke meme.

Ness being about equal to Marth would not surprise me in the slightest. Pretty sure the FE fanbase is bigger than Earthbound's, but at least the Earthbound fanbase cares about their guy. Which means Phoenix is about equal to...2010 Big Daddy.

Joy for Phoenix.

This makes me think that if Roy got into one of these, he'd likely be the weakest FE character ever. Hell, I'd easily take Ness > Roy without thinking twice.

I would definitely take Ness > Roy too, but Roy being stronger than Lyndis and the Fire Emblem Awakening crew is plausible. Sonic doubling Dracula and Lucina getting 37.5% on Dracula would have Lucina worth exactly 25% on Sonic, not much better than Fei. High fodder at best and within Roy's likely range. Sonic/Kirby and Kirby/Rikku suggest Rikku is close to 37.5% on Sonic and she...doubled Lyndis.

Huh. Maybe non-Smash FE is generally worth ~25% on Sonic. We'll see how this works for Chrom. Since I'm not trusting an FFVII character to be consistent and trying to use anybody else in that ninepack is a terrible idea, maybe we'll be able to adjust Shepard's ninepack using Tharja!

...I bet nobody saw that coming pre-contest.
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Oh some other stuff to note with that data back there.

At 3:05 the Draven rally topic reached the /all/ reddit so that explains why MMX/Ryu had a slight increase at that time. The fact that the vote intake only spiked about 400 over the expected value given the natural decay of the rally tends to cast some doubt on getting ~2000 per half hour making anything resembling sense, if new exposure to the /all/ reddit can only net you 400 votes (that all but dissipate after one update more or less)
At 6:05 Draven took the lead vs Jak. To me that might explain why Jak + Chie spiked from ~12% to ~28% after that time. It's possible Draven was stuffed that match too and it was just stopped when he got the lead. The other theory that makes sense is that the Draven rally is legit that much stronger in Europe and that America waking up and seeing the diluted its strength a lot. Hard to say.
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Wait, what happened. I woke up and saw some guy on the front page and was confused because I thought this was Vincent match.

Then I looked at the name and saw it was Vincent.

Then I looked at the results and saw Vincent losing to Phoenix.

I kind of wish the pic was up before I left for the night!
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I hope whoever is stuffing draven next round gets him to 99.9% to see if bacon still claims it legit.

haha bacon, i mean sballen

Though I love how Vincent goes from beating to Crono to maybe having a debatable match with Magus
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Don't know if this has been discussed, but if you've got Dante > Squirtle, you might as well pack it in now.

If Bacon is going to accept that crap and be okay with the results, Dante's getting a DmC pic and that'll be the end of it.
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How long was the pic known about before the match started, exactly.

Did people have much time to change their experts?
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Donte/Leon Gaiden/Solid/Big **** all bets are off
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Alias1313 posted...

This is all purely hypothetical but an idea some may find appealing nonetheless. First of all, let's face it, if Draven gets a rally as large as the one he got this round (assuming it was legit) then Link has no chance of actually winning. As others have said before repeated rallies on Reddit or other sites would likely have diminished returns as the number of rallies increase. Though this idea would likely mess with the stats for other matches at least somewhat it may be an "acceptable loss" if it means making a Draven Rally next round less likely to succeed.

Essentially, go to the LoL SubReddit every day/multiple times a day and post a "Rally" for Draven specifically when he doesn't have matches. I could tell you that if I've seen twenty fake rally posts for Draven on Reddit between now and his next match I would stop paying any attention to them eventually. Obviously this isn't particularly fool-proof but I somehow doubt that it would hurt Link (or Shepard?) in any meaningful way no matter what.

Best of luck to all.

We've already spoke of doing that, it needs to be done.

And it won't work, since they won't be getting out of the new submissions page.

For a subreddit as large as LoL's, you need at least half a hundred net upvotes to earn a spot in the front page. A fake rally won't have that momentum build up since it would be downvoted to oblivion or reported to mods for misleading content.

Likewise with any ideas of downvoting the Draven rally thread. You don't know the time of day it'll be posted, and you'll have like ten minutes for the opportunity to crash it before it takes off. Short of a mass personal message to all board 8 redditors to downvote it within minutes, it's unlikely to coordinate a downvote against a Draven rally thread on the LoL subreddit.
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Also, the good news about keeping Phoenix in second here is that I take less damage than if I'd ran with Vincent > Mewtwo > Phoenix.

Although the fact that I wasn't here after the pic got revealed means it probably won't help me anyway since I imagine several people switched to Mewtwo.

And at least this pretty much guarantees Sonic wins next round, unless someone decides to sabotage him with a Werehog pic.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Also, the good news about keeping Phoenix in second here is that I take less damage than if I'd ran with Vincent > Mewtwo > Phoenix.

Although the fact that I wasn't here after the pic got revealed means it probably won't help me anyway since I imagine several people switched to Mewtwo.

And at least this pretty much guarantees Sonic wins next round, unless someone decides to sabotage him with a Werehog pic.

I changed Vincent to second when the match pic went up, but I didn't even imagine he'd lose to Phoenix Wright, so that's going to screw me over anyway,
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Oh, that's true. I guess people probably just swapped Vincent to second if they swapped at all.

So I might turn out okay.
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Also, on the subject of picture recognizability, I've always been rather amazed at how much Squall has benefited from Kingdom Hearts. His design is completely different (gunblade and scar aside), and he's never even called "Squall" in-game aside from a reference very early in the first game. I guess that means a lot of people read the Character Bios and made the connection!
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hey guys maybe we can sabotage draven with the match pic
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It seems like giving Draven the most badass pic possible would hurt him more than a goofy one.
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Quick someone get Riot to make a Cottontail Draven skin so we can use it to fool people into thinking he's Teemo
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you guys say this as if Draven's pic this round wasn't terrible
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They're going to be linked directly to the results page anyway
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Trend chart from the day match:

Time | Sonic | Dracula | Barret | Votes
0:05 | 48.99% | 22.82% | 28.19% | 298
1:00 | 50.04% | 23.82% | 26.14% | 5789
2:00 | 50.37% | 23.12% | 26.51% | 4036
3:00 | 50.25% | 23.72% | 26.04% | 3449
4:00 | 49.73% | 23.88% | 26.39% | 3149
5:00 | 49.80% | 24.76% | 25.44% | 2932
6:00 | 50.29% | 24.07% | 25.64% | 2742
7:00 | 49.90% | 23.68% | 26.42% | 2513
8:00 | 50.09% | 24.89% | 25.02% | 2318
9:00 | 48.73% | 24.39% | 26.88% | 2091
10:00 | 50.77% | 22.69% | 26.54% | 1952
11:00 | 50.15% | 24.34% | 25.51% | 1705
12:00 | 49.77% | 23.87% | 26.36% | 1529

Surprisingly stable match considering none of these guys have similar trends.

X-Stats:

Sonic the Hedgehog – 50.00%
Barret Wallace – 34.28%
Dracula – 32.33%
Professor Layton – 26.33%
Lucina – 24.03%
Fei Fong Wong – 23.33%
Reimu Hakurei – 18.72%
Dan Hibiki – 16.95%
Caim – 6.62%
Spring Breeze Dancin’ – 4.13%
Chester – 3.54%

Chester stats project a 58/42 win for Sonic over Mewtwo, for the record.

Sonic's prediction percentage was 79.64%
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Also current X-Stats:

Mewtwo – 50.00%
Phoenix Wright – 40.85%
Marth – 36.67%
Vincent Valentine – 36.60%
KOS-MOS – 29.40%
Nightmare – 25.09%
Zero – 15.23%
Dunban – 12.11%
Chester – 4.12%

LOL Dunban
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And using Chester stats to combine the two ninepacks!

Sonic the Hedgehog – 50.00%
Mewtwo – 42.96%
Phoenix Wright – 35.10%
Barret Wallace – 34.28%
Dracula – 32.33%
Marth – 31.51%
Vincent Valentine – 31.45%
Professor Layton – 26.33%
KOS-MOS – 25.26%
Lucina – 24.03%
Fei Fong Wong – 23.33%
Nightmare – 21.56%
Reimu Hakurei – 18.72%
Dan Hibiki – 16.95%
Zero – 13.09%
Dunban – 10.40%
Caim – 6.62%
Spring Breeze Dancin’ – 4.13%
Chester – 3.54%

And here we all thought Barret's first round performance was terrible! He just outranked what many of us thought was the #3 FFVII character...!
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So do we chalk Barret up to Layton gaining a ton of strength or FF7 votes being sticky?
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Vincent Valentine is just a $@!#* Dracula wannabe so Barret being the stronger of the two shoulda been obvious after the last match.
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Layton > KOS-MOS is actually pretty funny.
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Holy s***, this match. I f***ing love it, pic sabotage or no.

I like fighting a rally with a rally, as it gets what Bacon wants: tons of new people visiting and perhaps sticking around the site. We could be getting 2007-level votals in a theoretical Draven/Mewtwo match. Downvoting Draven rallies just seems dickish and petty, which...oh wait, this is Board 8, of course people are in favor of that. At least you guys are too disorganized to pull it off!

That said, a rally falling apart for Mewtwo early on is not good news, though it's not like he needed it. Then again, Draven didn't need it either and still wrecked havoc across the day.

Also, I'm calling it now, Mewtwo > Sonic, even without a rally. The Noble Nine is going to be torn the f*** apart this contest. Sephiroth is going to get third in his R3 match, Pikachu's going to score over 50% against Crono and Magus, Missingno's going to take down Mario, Charizard > Mega Man 1 box art is a lock now, Laughing Kefka > Solid S***, Squirtle > Cloud, and L-Block's going to take out Samus on pure rally power.

League of Draven? More like the Pokemon League!
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Next round will just be a repeat of this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2870

Only without Toad.

Speaking of which, why have we never tried to get Toad back in to give him a fair shot?
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Also, I'm going to switch my Expert Bracket to Sub-Zero > Bowser now.

Because CONTEST OF CHAOS.

e: Spyro > Morrigan CHAOS

e2: NOT CRAZY ENOUGH

Squirtle > Zidane > Dante
Gilgamesh > Sora
L-Block > Auron
Missingno > Amaterasu > Squall
Cube > Zero > Rikku

F*** LOGIC
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LeonhartFour posted...

Next round will just be a repeat of this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2870

Only without Toad.

Speaking of which, why have we never tried to get Toad back in to give him a fair shot?

IIRC Toad was in the vote-ins.
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Sonic getting 58% on Mewtwo seems pretty reasonable. It's comparable to:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3740

And Ganon might of been able to SFF him a bit (or Mewtwo's just gotten stronger). Nintendo hierarchy and all that.

Another reason to rally for Mewtwo:

If Mewtwo ends up crushing Sonic and Bowser the way Draven crushed Ryu and X, then Phoenix Wright could end up being Top 10 in the x-stats.
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Best scenario: Luigi beats Big Boss thanks to pic sabotage, Kirby fans wisely give all their votes to Luigi to beat Sephiroth in a hugely biased pic that focuses on "YEAR OF LUIGI," Luigi becomes a favorite against the Draven and Mewtwo rally war and ends up getting most of the rallied votes, then he sweeps Epona and Missingno because people are sick of jokes at this point.

2003 Wylvane will suddenly be vindicated.
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From: creativename | Posted: 8/21/2013 12:19:07 AM | #097

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this contest is truly madness
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Well, I just switched my Expert pick to Boss>Subby, just because this contest refuses to make any sense.
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Match LXXXVII: (16) The Boss vs. (15) Sub-Zero vs. (7) Bowser

Previous Round

The Boss – 45.62%
Chrom – 29.78%
Heavy – 24.61%

Sub-Zero – 49.02%
Garrus Vakarian – 40.13%
Frank West – 10.86%

Bowser – 60.55%
Meta Knight – 24.08%
Archer – 15.37%

Analysis

This is the first uninteresting match of the second round. Bowser should have no issue winning this match, but at the same time he will not blow out his opponents. Bowser looked pretty good last round, SFF Meta Knight by more than Luigi though honestly SFF ability does not tell us much about a character’s strength.

Sub-Zero seems to be underrated by the board, while he is not a near-elite he does have a lot of strength. Of course it will not be enough to win over Bowser, but I can see him easily break 40% and could potentially go for 45% against Bowser. If he can break 40% on Auron he can do it against Bowser.

The Boss was expected to get doubled against Luigi in 2010 so a similar showing should be expected. There is a chance The Boss performs better though, if Chrom is stronger than Lucina by looking at Dracula’s performance on Sonic it would suggest The Boss should avoid the doubling against Bowser.

Chrom over Lucina does not have a huge consensus, but I believe it is true. Regardless I do not see any of the placing being threatened and everyone finishes a good distance from each other. There is a few people that believe Bowser has a chance against Sonic, if it is true this match will be the one to show it.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Bowser > Sub-Zero and The Boss

charmander6000’s Prediction: Bowser – 42.45%, Sub-Zero – 32.88%, The Boss – 24.67%
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The only reason Subby so low is MK has long since lost its pull.
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Next round should just be the pic sabotage round. Just use the worst possible picture for every character.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

Fayt_Esteed posted...

AxemRedRanger posted...

Marth is a Smash leech that gets some votes from his games, but probably not much. The older FE games with Marth in them never came to America, they basically suck these days, and nobody has played them. Even people going back through the Japan-only games with ROMs and translation patches generally just skip Marth's games and go straight to FE4 or later. The Shadow Dragon remake on DS came out in the west but it also sucked and was VERY negatively received by the fanbase and has the ratings and reviews to prove it. It might have even hurt him; in addition to the game sucking, Marth is pretty boring there, he's a required unit but pretty bad at combat, and "that guy from Melee and Brawl" might very well have preferable.

The Smash connection was a good draw for many people getting into Fire Emblem when FE7 first came to the west a decade ago, but I don't get the sense that anyone in the non-Japanese FE fanbase cares about Marth at this point. The only game we've gotten with Marth in it sucked. All he's got is the "Are Marth and Roy in this game?" joke meme.

Ness being about equal to Marth would not surprise me in the slightest. Pretty sure the FE fanbase is bigger than Earthbound's, but at least the Earthbound fanbase cares about their guy. Which means Phoenix is about equal to...2010 Big Daddy.

Joy for Phoenix.

This makes me think that if Roy got into one of these, he'd likely be the weakest FE character ever. Hell, I'd easily take Ness > Roy without thinking twice.

I would definitely take Ness > Roy too, but Roy being stronger than Lyndis and the Fire Emblem Awakening crew is plausible. Sonic doubling Dracula and Lucina getting 37.5% on Dracula would have Lucina worth exactly 25% on Sonic, not much better than Fei. High fodder at best and within Roy's likely range. Sonic/Kirby and Kirby/Rikku suggest Rikku is close to 37.5% on Sonic and she...doubled Lyndis.

Huh. Maybe non-Smash FE is generally worth ~25% on Sonic. We'll see how this works for Chrom. Since I'm not trusting an FFVII character to be consistent and trying to use anybody else in that ninepack is a terrible idea, maybe we'll be able to adjust Shepard's ninepack using Tharja!

...I bet nobody saw that coming pre-contest.

What...? I see almost no reason for Roy to be stronger than any of them. I'd sooner expect him to be Lucas level turbofodder.
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