Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1122

#351 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/20/2013 11:20:08 PM | message detail
What a match to exist. I suspect charmander's list of characters who could beat Link just expanded.

There's a likely drop for Vincent according to KOS-MOS, but this bad picture is also pretty legendary. Vincent looks like he's cosplaying as Phoenix Wright...and that's not a good look when facing Phoenix with OBJECTION in his pic. I don't have an explanation for Mewtwo though, unless KH cheated.
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#352 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/20/2013 11:20:37 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I'm actually more displeased with this than the Draven rally - that's something the contest rules tell you has the potential to happen right off the bat, and if it is I may dislike it, but so be it.

But a rigged result like this is poor form. It's like Bacon sticking a thumb in the eye of the fans. And now I'll never really know if my crazy upset would have 100% pulled it off in a fair match!


It's because you can't rally FF7. Bacon wants rallies.
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#353 | creativename | Posted 8/20/2013 11:22:41 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I'm actually more displeased with this than the Draven rally - that's something the contest rules tell you has the potential to happen right off the bat, and if it is I may dislike it, but so be it.

But a rigged result like this is poor form. It's like Bacon sticking a thumb in the eye of the fans. And now I'll never really know if my crazy upset would have 100% pulled it off in a fair match!

I think it's safe to say Mewtwo>Vincent would have happened, even though Mewtwo isn't really looking that hot compared to Phoenix here.

I suppose you can say there's some gray area, as Solid **** causes Snake to underperform about 10 points, and this is even worse than Solid **** so it's possible it's hurting Vincent 15 points. Unlikely IMO though.

I could see Donte hurting Dante to the level of 15 points though, so such a thing may not be impossible.
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#354 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/20/2013 11:22:47 PM | message detail
Oh yeah good luck with the Link rally
We are talking about 64 online people at the subreddit,which is 1/15 of the current online in the Pokemon one,which is 1/15 of the LoL one but whatever
Or maybe go rally in the most popular Zelda forums in Zelda Universe,it got a whopping 163 online people! (130 guests)...which Serebii forums got 700+ now
When will you realize that the power of Gamefaqs is not enough and we need a character that is easy to rally..?
#355 | 14_and_counting | Posted 8/20/2013 11:24:40 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Who are the idiots that t-down the reddit rally?
OK I was not mad before when Draven owned X who is one of my most liked characters but im mad now
I don't care how much pic sabotaged Vincent got,he was supposed to be the clear favorite and some "elites" laughed at everyone that said "Mewtwo>Vincent"
This is actually happening and might happen even with fine picture for Vincent
But we want to check the power of reddit,and instead some people FROM HERE doesn't want it to happen
Fine,go on,go cry again when Draven beat the whole contest
Go and cry that reddit is not fair,when you could use it to your advantage but refused
This is trully annoys me because the people that try to destroy the rally are from this board
LoL fans don't care about other matches so it's not them


NO ONE ELSE CAN WIN. We have one shot at this, and it is the demi god himself. We need to T-Down their Draven rally, and rally LINK everywhere we can on the net. That is the ONLY way Draven doesn't win, no Pokemon, or (other) Nintendo character, or Square character, or ANYTHING ELSE, has the strength (even boosted) to survive the insanely blatant cheating that BSAllen is allowing here. And by god that means T downing EVERY other rally this board puts up on Reddit that hinders Link's efforts.
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#356 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/20/2013 11:25:55 PM | message detail
If Mewtwo > Vincent in a fair fight, maybe Vincent is lucky to get this picture. It's gives him a convenient excuse for losing.
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#357 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/20/2013 11:27:04 PM | message detail
I look forward to reading the B8 Wiki in about half a year. I can't imagine the **** that is going to be written about this contest. Draven winning! Age of reddit rallies! The worst match pic since Sprite Snake! And I'm sure there is more craziness yet to come!
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#358 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 11:27:36 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I'm actually more displeased with this than the Draven rally - that's something the contest rules tell you has the potential to happen right off the bat, and if it is I may dislike it, but so be it.

But a rigged result like this is poor form. It's like Bacon sticking a thumb in the eye of the fans. And now I'll never really know if my crazy upset would have 100% pulled it off in a fair match!

I think it's safe to say Mewtwo>Vincent would have happened, even though Mewtwo isn't really looking that hot compared to Phoenix here.

I suppose you can say there's some gray area, as Solid **** causes Snake to underperform about 10 points, and this is even worse than Solid **** so it's possible it's hurting Vincent 15 points. Unlikely IMO though.

I could see Donte hurting Dante to the level of 15 points though, so such a thing may not be impossible.


Oh, I believe that Mewtwo > Vincent has a great chance of happening in a fair match. I did take the pick, crazy as it was.

But now there's this lingering doubt that will always be in my mind. That little voice that says 'you'll never really know if he could have done it', and then I'll start drinking and get fired from yet another job because I just can't hold 'em down

because of this picture
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#359 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/20/2013 11:29:03 PM | message detail
The Owner of FF9 posted...
I look forward to reading the B8 Wiki in about half a year. I can't imagine the **** that is going to be written about this contest. Draven winning! Age of reddit rallies! The worst match pic since Sprite Snake! And I'm sure there is more craziness yet to come!


You think Ulti is gonna make a PCA about a multiway contest with a potential LoL winner? Seems unlikely.
#360 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/20/2013 11:29:52 PM | message detail
14_and_counting posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Who are the idiots that t-down the reddit rally?
OK I was not mad before when Draven owned X who is one of my most liked characters but im mad now
I don't care how much pic sabotaged Vincent got,he was supposed to be the clear favorite and some "elites" laughed at everyone that said "Mewtwo>Vincent"
This is actually happening and might happen even with fine picture for Vincent
But we want to check the power of reddit,and instead some people FROM HERE doesn't want it to happen
Fine,go on,go cry again when Draven beat the whole contest
Go and cry that reddit is not fair,when you could use it to your advantage but refused
This is trully annoys me because the people that try to destroy the rally are from this board
LoL fans don't care about other matches so it's not them


NO ONE ELSE CAN WIN. We have one shot at this, and it is the demi god himself. We need to T-Down their Draven rally, and rally LINK everywhere we can on the net. That is the ONLY way Draven doesn't win, no Pokemon, or (other) Nintendo character, or Square character, or ANYTHING ELSE, has the strength (even boosted) to survive the insanely blatant cheating that BSAllen is allowing here. And by god that means T downing EVERY other rally this board puts up on Reddit that hinders Link's efforts.


Link is only strong in those contests because he is strong in this site
Draven got more votes by himself than every other match vote totals
You know what this means? That even if every person that regulary votes will vote for Link,he will still lose
Where do you plan to rally for Link then...?
#361 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/20/2013 11:30:14 PM | message detail
14_and_counting posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Who are the idiots that t-down the reddit rally?
OK I was not mad before when Draven owned X who is one of my most liked characters but im mad now
I don't care how much pic sabotaged Vincent got,he was supposed to be the clear favorite and some "elites" laughed at everyone that said "Mewtwo>Vincent"
This is actually happening and might happen even with fine picture for Vincent
But we want to check the power of reddit,and instead some people FROM HERE doesn't want it to happen
Fine,go on,go cry again when Draven beat the whole contest
Go and cry that reddit is not fair,when you could use it to your advantage but refused
This is trully annoys me because the people that try to destroy the rally are from this board
LoL fans don't care about other matches so it's not them


NO ONE ELSE CAN WIN. We have one shot at this, and it is the demi god himself. We need to T-Down their Draven rally, and rally LINK everywhere we can on the net. That is the ONLY way Draven doesn't win, no Pokemon, or (other) Nintendo character, or Square character, or ANYTHING ELSE, has the strength (even boosted) to survive the insanely blatant cheating that BSAllen is allowing here. And by god that means T downing EVERY other rally this board puts up on Reddit that hinders Link's efforts.


Except none of these rallies would actually hinder Link's efforts, because Link faces Draven NEXT ROUND. That much has already been locked. Any rallying that happens for the rest of this round is just an insurance policy in case Link can't pull it off.

Not that we need any more rallying in advance of Link's match. Pikachu and Charizard are going to reach Round 3 on their own strength, and Mewtwo's next match isn't until after Link vs. Draven.
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#362 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/20/2013 11:39:03 PM | message detail | (edited)
Team Rocket Elite posted...
If Mewtwo > Vincent in a fair fight, maybe Vincent is lucky to get this picture. It's gives him a convenient excuse for losing.


I guess, but we'll never know if Mewtwo would've been able to upend Vincent in a fair fight... It'd probably have been debatable as opposed to the foregone conclusion we're witnessing now.
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#363 | 14_and_counting | Posted 8/20/2013 11:32:50 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
14_and_counting posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Who are the idiots that t-down the reddit rally?
OK I was not mad before when Draven owned X who is one of my most liked characters but im mad now
I don't care how much pic sabotaged Vincent got,he was supposed to be the clear favorite and some "elites" laughed at everyone that said "Mewtwo>Vincent"
This is actually happening and might happen even with fine picture for Vincent
But we want to check the power of reddit,and instead some people FROM HERE doesn't want it to happen
Fine,go on,go cry again when Draven beat the whole contest
Go and cry that reddit is not fair,when you could use it to your advantage but refused
This is trully annoys me because the people that try to destroy the rally are from this board
LoL fans don't care about other matches so it's not them


NO ONE ELSE CAN WIN. We have one shot at this, and it is the demi god himself. We need to T-Down their Draven rally, and rally LINK everywhere we can on the net. That is the ONLY way Draven doesn't win, no Pokemon, or (other) Nintendo character, or Square character, or ANYTHING ELSE, has the strength (even boosted) to survive the insanely blatant cheating that BSAllen is allowing here. And by god that means T downing EVERY other rally this board puts up on Reddit that hinders Link's efforts.


Link is only strong in those contests because he is strong in this site
Draven got more votes by himself than every other match vote totals
You know what this means? That even if every person that regulary votes will vote for Link,he will still lose
Where do you plan to rally for Link then...?


The KEY is to downvote their rally over everything else. Without that everything else is pointless (or hack Reddit and shut the ***** down for the match).... After that though, it is still an absolute WAR that we have on our hands, and the only person inherently stronger enough is Link, we need every vote that GameFAQs can muster (which is clearly Zelda) and then as many votes as possible (because every vote will count) across the net. No one else has a chance, it is up to the Hylian Hammer.
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#364 | 14_and_counting | Posted 8/20/2013 11:34:17 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
14_and_counting posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Who are the idiots that t-down the reddit rally?
OK I was not mad before when Draven owned X who is one of my most liked characters but im mad now
I don't care how much pic sabotaged Vincent got,he was supposed to be the clear favorite and some "elites" laughed at everyone that said "Mewtwo>Vincent"
This is actually happening and might happen even with fine picture for Vincent
But we want to check the power of reddit,and instead some people FROM HERE doesn't want it to happen
Fine,go on,go cry again when Draven beat the whole contest
Go and cry that reddit is not fair,when you could use it to your advantage but refused
This is trully annoys me because the people that try to destroy the rally are from this board
LoL fans don't care about other matches so it's not them


NO ONE ELSE CAN WIN. We have one shot at this, and it is the demi god himself. We need to T-Down their Draven rally, and rally LINK everywhere we can on the net. That is the ONLY way Draven doesn't win, no Pokemon, or (other) Nintendo character, or Square character, or ANYTHING ELSE, has the strength (even boosted) to survive the insanely blatant cheating that BSAllen is allowing here. And by god that means T downing EVERY other rally this board puts up on Reddit that hinders Link's efforts.


Except none of these rallies would actually hinder Link's efforts, because Link faces Draven NEXT ROUND. That much has already been locked. Any rallying that happens for the rest of this round is just an insurance policy in case Link can't pull it off.

Not that we need any more rallying in advance of Link's match. Pikachu and Charizard are going to reach Round 3 on their own strength, and Mewtwo's next match isn't until after Link vs. Draven.



Yes they will, they will desensitize people to the rallies.
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#365 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/20/2013 11:34:25 PM | message detail
Now if only XY was released a month earlier...
#366 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/20/2013 11:34:34 PM | message detail
14_and_counting posted...
Nanis23 posted...
14_and_counting posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Who are the idiots that t-down the reddit rally?
OK I was not mad before when Draven owned X who is one of my most liked characters but im mad now
I don't care how much pic sabotaged Vincent got,he was supposed to be the clear favorite and some "elites" laughed at everyone that said "Mewtwo>Vincent"
This is actually happening and might happen even with fine picture for Vincent
But we want to check the power of reddit,and instead some people FROM HERE doesn't want it to happen
Fine,go on,go cry again when Draven beat the whole contest
Go and cry that reddit is not fair,when you could use it to your advantage but refused
This is trully annoys me because the people that try to destroy the rally are from this board
LoL fans don't care about other matches so it's not them


NO ONE ELSE CAN WIN. We have one shot at this, and it is the demi god himself. We need to T-Down their Draven rally, and rally LINK everywhere we can on the net. That is the ONLY way Draven doesn't win, no Pokemon, or (other) Nintendo character, or Square character, or ANYTHING ELSE, has the strength (even boosted) to survive the insanely blatant cheating that BSAllen is allowing here. And by god that means T downing EVERY other rally this board puts up on Reddit that hinders Link's efforts.


Link is only strong in those contests because he is strong in this site
Draven got more votes by himself than every other match vote totals
You know what this means? That even if every person that regulary votes will vote for Link,he will still lose
Where do you plan to rally for Link then...?


The KEY is to downvote their rally over everything else. Without that everything else is pointless (or hack Reddit and shut the ***** down for the match).... After that though, it is still an absolute WAR that we have on our hands, and the only person inherently stronger enough is Link, we need every vote that GameFAQs can muster (which is clearly Zelda) and then as many votes as possible (because every vote will count) across the net. No one else has a chance, it is up to the Hylian Hammer.


Man, you'd think the fate of the world rests on Link's shoulders.
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#367 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 11:35:42 PM | message detail
Sometimes when I'm walking through the rain and I get lost on my way back to the shelter I'll take out my tattered wallet and look at the picture when I think no one's looking.

http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5229.jpg

And for a split second I'll wonder, who is that Neo cosplayer in the middle?, and then I'll remember and break down and cry.

Tears streaming down my cheeks intermingling with the acidic rainwater, I lose consciousness and pray to never see the light again
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#368 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/20/2013 11:38:52 PM | message detail
Can someone send him a better Vincent picture?
I want Mewtwo to win but I admit it's not fair
#369 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/20/2013 11:40:55 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Can someone send him a better Vincent picture?
I want Mewtwo to win but I admit it's not fair


We did. He had six choices, but Allen chose this thing.
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#370 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/20/2013 11:42:43 PM | message detail
14_and_counting posted...
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
14_and_counting posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Who are the idiots that t-down the reddit rally?
OK I was not mad before when Draven owned X who is one of my most liked characters but im mad now
I don't care how much pic sabotaged Vincent got,he was supposed to be the clear favorite and some "elites" laughed at everyone that said "Mewtwo>Vincent"
This is actually happening and might happen even with fine picture for Vincent
But we want to check the power of reddit,and instead some people FROM HERE doesn't want it to happen
Fine,go on,go cry again when Draven beat the whole contest
Go and cry that reddit is not fair,when you could use it to your advantage but refused
This is trully annoys me because the people that try to destroy the rally are from this board
LoL fans don't care about other matches so it's not them


NO ONE ELSE CAN WIN. We have one shot at this, and it is the demi god himself. We need to T-Down their Draven rally, and rally LINK everywhere we can on the net. That is the ONLY way Draven doesn't win, no Pokemon, or (other) Nintendo character, or Square character, or ANYTHING ELSE, has the strength (even boosted) to survive the insanely blatant cheating that BSAllen is allowing here. And by god that means T downing EVERY other rally this board puts up on Reddit that hinders Link's efforts.


Except none of these rallies would actually hinder Link's efforts, because Link faces Draven NEXT ROUND. That much has already been locked. Any rallying that happens for the rest of this round is just an insurance policy in case Link can't pull it off.

Not that we need any more rallying in advance of Link's match. Pikachu and Charizard are going to reach Round 3 on their own strength, and Mewtwo's next match isn't until after Link vs. Draven.



Yes they will, they will desensitize people to the rallies.


Well, then, it's a good thing that the next rally Board 8 does is going to be the one for Link.

Seriously, you think we needed any Round 2 rallies other than this one? Pikachu, Blue, and Charizard all have super-easy matches. Magus > Otacon and DK > Lightning ensured it--both Pikachu and Charizard benefit from favorable SFF situations. Blue's match was always going to be easy--too easy, actually, because he'll get in Pikachu's way against Sora.
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#371 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/20/2013 11:44:47 PM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
http://i.imgur.com/eaH1app.png

do you guys think bacon will accept this


He should because that is really, really, really good. I'm a little confused by Link's pose though, is he in the midst of throwing his sword? With his right hand? Because he's supposed to be a lefty, no? Doesn't really matter I guess.

I also thought Shepard was Kratos when I first looked at the pic (I think it's because of the red/white pattern on his shoulder) but looking at it again and because of context I quickly realized it was Shepard.

Karma Hunter posted...
Sometimes when I'm walking through the rain and I get lost on my way back to the shelter I'll take out my tattered wallet and look at the picture when I think no one's looking.

http://img.gamefaqs.net/images/cbnine/battle/5229.jpg

And for a split second I'll wonder, who is that Neo cosplayer in the middle?, and then I'll remember and break down and cry.

Tears streaming down my cheeks intermingling with the acidic rainwater, I lose consciousness and pray to never see the light again


:D This is definitely one for the history books.
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#372 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 11:46:16 PM | message detail
But of course I will regain consciousness again. Chained to this body - the punishment that's been given to me, yes, I remember that phrase...

Mister Hunter, we found you face down in the alley behind the liquor store... The young lady tries to reassure my fears, almost as if she's psychic...

PSYCHIC

LIKE

MEWTWO

"Get away from me!" I'll roar, lunging out of bed with the crazed manic pace of a wildman. The orderlies are on top of me but I've seen their tricks one too many times and coolly gouge out their eyes with a nearby thumbtack, its brass shine glinting in the light like a certain attorney's badge.

"Overruled," I'll one-liner, sticking the thumbtack onto my left collar.

then I jump out the window
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#373 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/20/2013 11:46:45 PM | message detail
So Vincent really is as weak as R1 suggests.

Quick, what do Mewtwo and Phoenix get on Sephiroth assuming that he and Vincent are constant from 2010?
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#374 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/20/2013 11:49:42 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
But of course I will regain consciousness again. Chained to this body - the punishment that's been given to me, yes, I remember that phrase...

Mister Hunter, we found you face down in the alley behind the liquor store... The young lady tries to reassure my fears, almost as if she's psychic...

PSYCHIC

LIKE

MEWTWO

"Get away from me!" I'll roar, lunging out of bed with the crazed manic pace of a wildman. The orderlies are on top of me but I've seen their tricks one too many times and coolly gouge out their eyes with a nearby thumbtack, its brass shine glinting in the light like a certain attorney's badge.

"Overruled," I'll one-liner, sticking the thumbtack onto my left collar.

then I jump out the window


what
#375 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 11:51:12 PM | message detail
I'm trying to explain what effect the picture is having guys
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#376 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 8/20/2013 11:52:22 PM | message detail
WTH is that picture.

Thanks for sabotaging my expert bracket Allen.
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#377 | 14_and_counting | Posted 8/20/2013 11:52:50 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
But of course I will regain consciousness again. Chained to this body - the punishment that's been given to me, yes, I remember that phrase...

Mister Hunter, we found you face down in the alley behind the liquor store... The young lady tries to reassure my fears, almost as if she's psychic...

PSYCHIC

LIKE

MEWTWO

"Get away from me!" I'll roar, lunging out of bed with the crazed manic pace of a wildman. The orderlies are on top of me but I've seen their tricks one too many times and coolly gouge out their eyes with a nearby thumbtack, its brass shine glinting in the light like a certain attorney's badge.

"Overruled," I'll one-liner, sticking the thumbtack onto my left collar.

then I jump out the window



You don't know how many years I've wanted to see you type those words.
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#378 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/20/2013 11:54:36 PM | message detail | (edited)
AxemRedRanger posted...
Marth is a Smash leech that gets some votes from his games, but probably not much. The older FE games with Marth in them never came to America, they basically suck these days, and nobody has played them. Even people going back through the Japan-only games with ROMs and translation patches generally just skip Marth's games and go straight to FE4 or later. The Shadow Dragon remake on DS came out in the west but it also sucked and was VERY negatively received by the fanbase and has the ratings and reviews to prove it. It might have even hurt him; in addition to the game sucking, Marth is pretty boring there, he's a required unit but pretty bad at combat, and "that guy from Melee and Brawl" might very well have preferable.

The Smash connection was a good draw for many people getting into Fire Emblem when FE7 first came to the west a decade ago, but I don't get the sense that anyone in the non-Japanese FE fanbase cares about Marth at this point. The only game we've gotten with Marth in it sucked. All he's got is the "Are Marth and Roy in this game?" joke meme.

Ness being about equal to Marth would not surprise me in the slightest. Pretty sure the FE fanbase is bigger than Earthbound's, but at least the Earthbound fanbase cares about their guy. Which means Phoenix is about equal to...2010 Big Daddy.

Joy for Phoenix.


This makes me think that if Roy got into one of these, he'd likely be the weakest FE character ever. Hell, I'd easily take Ness > Roy without thinking twice.
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#379 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/20/2013 11:56:49 PM | message detail
If Marth and Ness ever went head-to-head I'd pick Ness without really thinking about it.
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#380 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 12:22:25 AM | message detail
I do wonder if people will end up getting snakebit on this match. Perhaps either in over or underestimating VV. He'll probably be something like a 90/10 dog to Yoshi next contest, but could blow him out of the water. Or we could have people mostly ignoring this match and taking him over Dante in big numbers, and then he gets beat.

It's interesting for the future at least, even though it sucks in pretty much every other conceivable way.
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#381 | Alias1313 | Posted 8/21/2013 12:22:55 AM | message detail
This is all purely hypothetical but an idea some may find appealing nonetheless. First of all, let's face it, if Draven gets a rally as large as the one he got this round (assuming it was legit) then Link has no chance of actually winning. As others have said before repeated rallies on Reddit or other sites would likely have diminished returns as the number of rallies increase. Though this idea would likely mess with the stats for other matches at least somewhat it may be an "acceptable loss" if it means making a Draven Rally next round less likely to succeed.

Essentially, go to the LoL SubReddit every day/multiple times a day and post a "Rally" for Draven specifically when he doesn't have matches. I could tell you that if I've seen twenty fake rally posts for Draven on Reddit between now and his next match I would stop paying any attention to them eventually. Obviously this isn't particularly fool-proof but I somehow doubt that it would hurt Link (or Shepard?) in any meaningful way no matter what.

Best of luck to all.
#382 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/21/2013 12:24:46 AM | message detail
lol I could see that plan working in a coordinated effort, but b8 can't coordinate anything >_>
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#383 | 14_and_counting | Posted 8/21/2013 12:28:34 AM | message detail
Alias1313 posted...
This is all purely hypothetical but an idea some may find appealing nonetheless. First of all, let's face it, if Draven gets a rally as large as the one he got this round (assuming it was legit) then Link has no chance of actually winning. As others have said before repeated rallies on Reddit or other sites would likely have diminished returns as the number of rallies increase. Though this idea would likely mess with the stats for other matches at least somewhat it may be an "acceptable loss" if it means making a Draven Rally next round less likely to succeed.

Essentially, go to the LoL SubReddit every day/multiple times a day and post a "Rally" for Draven specifically when he doesn't have matches. I could tell you that if I've seen twenty fake rally posts for Draven on Reddit between now and his next match I would stop paying any attention to them eventually. Obviously this isn't particularly fool-proof but I somehow doubt that it would hurt Link (or Shepard?) in any meaningful way no matter what.

Best of luck to all.


We've already spoke of doing that, it needs to be done.
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#384 | rpgsruleall | Posted 8/21/2013 12:29:34 AM | message detail
I think the quotes may be playing a role in this too. Vincent's is very obscure (optional char and all) and certainly doesn't help his recognizablity. Phoenix's quote is perfect, of course.

And Mewtwo stands out so much... I almost voted for him before I even realized Vincent was in the poll.
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#385 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/21/2013 12:31:53 AM | message detail
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If Marth and Ness ever went head-to-head I'd pick Ness without really thinking about it.


Now here's a question: would you take Marth over Peach, Epona, Ridley, Meta-Knight, or Mr. Game & Watch?
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#386 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/21/2013 12:32:38 AM | message detail
Wow Vincent. Can't even blame it on Mewtwo rallying, as he's not even beating Phoenix by very much. Guess we blame the picture.
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#387 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/21/2013 12:56:42 AM | message detail
I thought people were vehemently supportive of the sprite round, didn't the "sprite round should stay" option win in that poll that was conducted a while ago.

Really hope you guys would finally come to the realization that outright unrecognizable picture is deplorable no matter the circumstances.
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#388 | Lopen | Posted 8/21/2013 12:59:46 AM | message detail
Draven probably got about 30-35k stuffed votes last round so uh, yeah, I don't think the Reddit rally even matters at this point.
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#389 | creativename | Posted 8/21/2013 1:07:44 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Draven probably got about 30-35k stuffed votes last round so uh, yeah, I don't think the Reddit rally even matters at this point.

Yeah, that's the problem - if like 50 of us made Reddit accounts and down voted the Draven/Link rally topic really early we could kill it before it got any momentum.

The idea posted above about spamming rally topics to desensitize redditers is also a good one.

But since the reddit thing is mostly BS and this is mostly stuffing, these things won't help as much.

Lopen, where are you estimating 30-35k from?
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#390 | voltch | Posted 8/21/2013 1:13:26 AM | message detail
Wow wait what is that really the Vincent pic?

Surely this is just as bad as using Instruction Manual Big Boss.
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#391 | Lopen | Posted 8/21/2013 1:13:26 AM | message detail
I did analysis on what percentage of the extra votes MMX+Ryu were getting. Their percentage tended to drop off substantially as the extra vote intake decreased, to almost ridiculous levels (one half hour block had them as low as 2.4% combined).

Subtracting 200-300 from every update Draven got (stuffing seemed to decrease slightly as the match went on-- you can speculate) made them be relatively stable at 30% of rallied votes.

For the record Chie + Jak did much better with their percentage of the rallied votes, implying there was less stuffing there.

It's just guestimating to an extent but eh.
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#392 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 8/21/2013 1:13:42 AM | message detail
No stopping the rallies will work if we can pull it off. Without the rally as a cover, any stuffing will be blatantly obvious and Bacon won't be able to deny it.

...well, maybe he still will. I'll be there downvoting the rallies though (also be on the lookout for a decent window before the match, they'll probably start them early).
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#393 | Lopen | Posted 8/21/2013 1:17:27 AM | message detail
If you're interested here are the extra vote stats for the first 7 hours of the match. I may do the last 4 hours at some point, but I got enough evidence of stupidity to make me not too interested in how the rest went (also it was kinda time consuming).

Ryu vs MMX vs Draven

Time: Ryu+MMX %, (approximated extra votes)

0:35-1:05: 10% (4378 approximated extra votes)
1:05-1:35: 10.3% (4878)
1:35-2:05: 11.9% (4106)
2:05-2:35: 12.4% (3620)
2:35-3:05: 7.9% (2838)
3:05-3:35: 12.3% (3259)
3:35-4:05: 8.4% (2481)
4:05-4:35: 5.8% (2221)
4:35-5:05: 9.8% (2265)
5:05-5:35: 5.1% (2173)
5:35-6:05: 5.2% (2029)
6:05-6:35: 8.2% (2126)
6:35-7:05: 6.4% (1946)
7:05-7:35: 2.4% (1864)

Jak vs Chie vs Draven

Time: Jak + Chie%, (approximated extra votes)

1503-769, 518 Draven 573
(extra votes before here were trace)
3:05-3:35: 4.4% (411)
3:35-4:05: 1% (770)
4:05-4:35: 9.7% (656)
4:35-5:05: 10.4% (888)
5:05-5:35: 11.9% (906)
5:35-6:05: 12.5% (770)
6:05-6:35: 28.9% (944)
6:35-7:05: 35.7% (843)
7:05-7:35: 29.5% (734)

Some notes:

The rally for Chie's match had 678 upvotes/212 downvotes
This is just memory but IIRC the Chie match took about an hour and a half to get off the ground
The rally for Ryu's match had 3439 upvotes/2119 downvotes
This took about half an hour to get off the ground
Draven's native GameFAQs strength was approximated at 15% on Ryu/MMX, 25% on Chie/Jak based on pre-rally results and trends.
MMX/Jigglypuff/Welkin was used as the base expected vote total for Chie/Jak/Draven, Link/Raiden/Yoshi was used for MMX/Ryu/Draven.
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#394 | voltch | Posted 8/21/2013 1:17:53 AM | message detail
Can someone gimme Marth vs Vincent x-Stats?
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#395 | creativename | Posted 8/21/2013 1:20:51 AM | message detail
Thanks Lopen. If you still have a copy of you're detailed math I'd be interested in seeing it.

LordoftheMorons posted...
No stopping the rallies will work if we can pull it off. Without the rally as a cover, any stuffing will be blatantly obvious and Bacon won't be able to deny it.

...well, maybe he still will. I'll be there downvoting the rallies though (also be on the lookout for a decent window before the match, they'll probably start them early).

The rally can still be a cover because whoever is stuffing is setting the rally thread as their http_referer.

It would obviously be fraudulent to us if the rally isn't gaining any traction yet were still getting floods of votes, but I don't think Bacon would bother thinking even that deeply about it.
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#396 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/21/2013 1:22:38 AM | message detail
Does everyone truly believe that Bacon is blatantly lying about the Draven match being legit?
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#397 | creativename | Posted 8/21/2013 1:22:47 AM | message detail
Oops, never mind, posted too slow - thanks for the math details Lopen! :)
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#398 | Lopen | Posted 8/21/2013 1:32:04 AM | message detail | (edited)
I don't have a copy of it since it's all arithmetic but I can tell you the process I used.

I took the vote total intake from the day before/after's night match and subtracted it from the vote totals of the Draven match to approximate the extra votes for the thirty minute period. (I used MMX/Jigglypuff/Welkin over Tharja/Juliet/Tina because the latter match got rallies)

I then multiplied the control day's vote intake by what I approximated Draven's percentage at (15% and 25% respectively) to approximate the "GameFAQs votes" Draven got.

I then calculated the amount of votes Draven got for the half hour, subtracted the approximate amount of GameFAQs votes he got, and used that as the amount of "extra" votes he got for the hour.

I subtracted that number from the total extra votes to approximate the percentage of "extra" votes that went to Ryu+MMX and Jak+Chie respectively.

Not super detailed analysis or anything but I think the process is kinda logical. Obviously it's not 100% precise because there's day to day variance between votes and whatnot and Draven's GameFAQs strength was approximated based on how he was doing before the "rally" but yeah.
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#399 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 8/21/2013 1:27:41 AM | message detail
I think Bacon may think it's totally legit, but he's wrong.
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#400 | creativename | Posted 8/21/2013 1:34:02 AM | message detail
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Does everyone truly believe that Bacon is blatantly lying about the Draven match being legit?

No one thinks he's lying (well, only the tin foil hat people anyway).

We just think he's not able to spot the obvious math issues that show pretty strongly most of this is stuffing.
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