Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1122

#251 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 10:03:52 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
The picture factor really bothers me because it makes the voters out to be a bunch of stupid people who no longer recognize their favorite character if you use a different picture.


this has been true of the voters for years <_<
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#252 | Achromatic | Posted 8/20/2013 10:05:05 PM | message detail | (edited)
Keep in mind when I said FF7 was doing poorly I meant compared to pre contest. So like Barret salvaging it a bit from round 1 (btw that's probably stuffed votes messing with his percentage) doesn't change it. Like almost getting doubled by Sonic is a pretty poor performance when I was expecting him to be worth around let's say 38-39% on the the guy. Would have put Barret a little bit weaker than, say, Alucard.
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#253 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 8/20/2013 10:04:28 PM | message detail
From: WhiteLens | #197
HyperSage posted...

TRE, how many alts do you have on the Expert Leaderboard?

It seems like a lot of the bottom ones are you.


*checks leaderboard*

Wow, this is some delicious lore.
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#254 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/20/2013 10:05:40 PM | message detail
It has nothing to do with voters being "stupid" and everything to do with non-rigidity regarding our gaming preferences. Sure, everyone has their cream at the top that they will always support (Link and Jill for me, par example), but there are tons of characters which we can support one day and not support the next based on things like the match picture and/or their opposition. It doesn't make anyone stupid.
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#255 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/20/2013 10:06:14 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
It has nothing to do with voters being "stupid" and everything to do with non-rigidity regarding our gaming preferences. Sure, everyone has their cream at the top that they will always support (Link and Jill for me, par example), but there are tons of characters which we can support one day and not support the next based on things like the match picture and/or their opposition. It doesn't make anyone stupid.


Except for the Link fans. You guys are always stupid.
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#256 | creativename | Posted 8/20/2013 10:06:55 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
When you say something I say is "hilariously" wrong I take it as an insult, and I don't really care what you have to say about it.

Feeling insulted by a non-ad hominem attack does not make it an ad hominem attack, though. It wasn't.

Also I did not deny boosts from games happen, I am denying more recent boosts from games happening. 2012 as a whole has done a great job of bombing in this contest, without much of a counterweight of success.

It's clear that Mass Effect is one of the few new games that this site actually plays, so this isn't a good comparison.

Yeah sure Rinoa hurt her a bit but the Hero really had very few reasons to be anything more than fodder, the fact that he got that much of a total % both made me very pleased and clued me in on poor Aeris. Like I more than anyone should be nodding my head and going "Yeah! Go Aeris!" but in reality I just don't see that.

We don't know where Hero is, and Aeris/Rinoa are probably two of the worst LFF cases for each other among people that aren't from the same game. I didn't really think Hero looked out of place there.

Overall Aeris did fine vs. Shep, Shep's squadmates Wrex and Garrus looking so great should be a very strong clue that Shep is quite strong himself.

Anyway this is all pointless because no result is going to change your mind and Shep is going to get lost in the link/draven hell in a cell match next round so neither of us is going to have the proof we desire, and you seem to think barret did good soo <_<.

This is true.

And Barret did...decent. About what you would have expected. Barret is C-tier in terms of FF7 strength.

No matter how much Vincent dropped, he shouldn't be looking worse than Barret. And he looks MUCH worse than Barret right now.
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#257 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/20/2013 10:07:10 PM | message detail
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#258 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 10:07:32 PM | message detail
I would have been thrilled if Barret was that high. Thrilled and shocked. RacistFAQs is often said in jest, but there's been quite a few bombs on the parts of black characters over the years that don't match up with what they 'should' do - CJ, Lee Everett, etc.

But judging by what Sonic will probably do to Mewtwo, Barret would blow Vincent out of the water! Thank you based x-stats
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#259 | AsurasKordoth | Posted 8/20/2013 10:07:38 PM | message detail
45% of the gurus had Vincent > Sonic. Whoops...
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#260 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/20/2013 10:08:06 PM | message detail
Anyway, assuming a fair picture, what would you guys consider to be a Lugia "overperformance" on Cloud at this point? Avoiding the doubling? 40%?
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#261 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:08:13 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
It has nothing to do with voters being "stupid" and everything to do with non-rigidity regarding our gaming preferences. Sure, everyone has their cream at the top that they will always support (Link and Jill for me, par example), but there are tons of characters which we can support one day and not support the next based on things like the match picture and/or their opposition. It doesn't make anyone stupid.


Yeah.

Just fickle.
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#262 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/20/2013 10:08:28 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
=(


Don't worry, I'm right there with you next round.
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#263 | Sorozone | Posted 8/20/2013 10:08:34 PM | message detail
AsurasKordoth posted...
45% of the gurus had Vincent > Sonic. Whoops...


I'm one of them, but honestly after all this Draven nonsense all my attention is focused on my Expert now.
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#264 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/20/2013 10:09:06 PM | message detail
I still think Lee did a fine job representing himself and his game after Clementine had one of the flops of the contest.
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#265 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/20/2013 10:09:09 PM | message detail
AsurasKordoth posted...
45% of the gurus had Vincent > Sonic. Whoops...


You know, this might actually be an okay result for me considering.

I'm pissed because I definitely would've made leaderboard if Vincent had won this.
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#266 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 10:09:36 PM | message detail
Guys if the rest of this round pans out correctly and you jokers can get Link to beat Draven somehow I'm going to win the contest

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I'M GOING TO LOSE THE CONTEST
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#267 | tgs2 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:10:02 PM | message detail
Sonic looked so awful against Barret that Bowser has a chance to beat him. Heck. Mewtwo might be able to beat Sonic if Sonic and Bowser have the extreme overlap people think they do. It's still debatable, but not in a way people expected.
#268 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/20/2013 10:10:10 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Anyway, assuming a fair picture, what would you guys consider to be a Lugia "overperformance" on Cloud at this point? Avoiding the doubling? 40%?


Avoiding the doubling sounds legit. If Lugia pulls in 40% against Cloud, FF7 is dunzo and this contest is officially LoL vs Pokemon.
#269 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/20/2013 10:10:21 PM | message detail
Just want to point out that the guy who was supposed to break the Noble Nine

Is losing to the guy who broke Gordon Freeman Never Wins.
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#270 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 8/20/2013 10:12:39 PM | message detail | (edited)
Looking back, Vincent's x-stats have always been adjusted considerably upwards every contest since 2k6. So it's not even like we can predict how much he dropped off or when.

2k10 he went through Seph and was arbitrarily made equal to Tifa despite a far worse performance than her on Seph (32.68 up to 39.14)
2k8 he was adjusted upwards because... I don't actually know. Crono SFF's him I guess? (31.98 up to 36.58)
2k7 he was adjusted upwards because he was heavily SFF'ed in the Seph/Mario/Link match (20.75 up to 36.25)

Obviously he has some big wins in there though to keep credibility so he can't be a complete fraud.

I guess he could have theoretically dropped off somewhat in 2k10 though and it's hidden behind Seph SFF.
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#271 | snoocete | Posted 8/20/2013 10:10:53 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
snoocete posted...
What's a Donte pic?


Dante from DmC, looking like this and this:

http://fuuka.warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0065/66/1359059822881.png
http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1351/46/1351460611193.jpg

This is how he looks in game. Really. It's just so atrocious we all believe it will annihilate Dante's strength.


welp

Hopefully they don't use that in the contest, some characters are way more recognizable with their classic look.

Like how Zero's pictures are always from the MMX series look instead of Z/ZX.
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#272 | creativename | Posted 8/20/2013 10:11:52 PM | message detail | (edited)
_SecretSquirrel posted...
Damn, Phoenix Wright is beating Vincent, yet it just seems so hollow.

Man, this contest got so damn ugly so damn quickly.

Agreed. I'm seeing Vincent get thrashed by PW and it isn't even affecting me. It's like "meh" at this point.

We've got rampant stuffing (oh wait "rallies") on unheard of levels, blatant pic sabotage in a hotly debated match being accepted by Bacon, Link probably failing to break 40% next round...this doesn't even feel like a contest.

Edit: I mean at least during L-Block's run we actually CARED.
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#273 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/20/2013 10:11:09 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Just want to point out that the guy who was supposed to break the Noble Nine

Is losing to the guy who broke Gordon Freeman Never Wins.


I simply have to laugh at this.
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#274 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:11:12 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Guys if the rest of this round pans out correctly and you jokers can get Link to beat Draven somehow I'm going to win the contest

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I'M GOING TO LOSE THE CONTEST


Everyone is going to lose, don't feel bad about it.
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#275 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 10:11:28 PM | message detail
Also yeah Vinnie may have hidden some of his decline over the years, if you are chalking this up to a decline.

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uh oh Crono
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#276 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/20/2013 10:11:33 PM | message detail
#277 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 10:12:23 PM | message detail
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Guys if the rest of this round pans out correctly and you jokers can get Link to beat Draven somehow I'm going to win the contest

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I'M GOING TO LOSE THE CONTEST


Everyone is going to lose, don't feel bad about it.


but I was on track to WIN it

this must be how ExTha feels all the time only with less wrestling references
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#278 | Achromatic | Posted 8/20/2013 10:12:44 PM | message detail
I guess we'll start to see a bit about Shep when we see how Subby holds up. If he bombs it makes Garrus look worse, and we'll see how Wrex compares to Red. And if Shep stays above 5% in the link/draven match I'll call it a boost! Sounds fair?

Anyway creative I thought KH was handling that just fine on his own, no need to go big brother on me and pounce.
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#279 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/20/2013 10:13:05 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/archive/f/f9/20100707032415!Amano_Cloud(%3F)_%26_Aerith.jpg

This pic of Cloud vs. Lugia.

How much does Lugia get?


...Why did Amano draw Hark! A Vagrant's version of Cloud again?
#280 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/20/2013 10:13:45 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Also yeah Vinnie may have hidden some of his decline over the years, if you are chalking this up to a decline.

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uh oh Crono


Need a PokeFear post STAT based on this
#281 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:14:14 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Guys if the rest of this round pans out correctly and you jokers can get Link to beat Draven somehow I'm going to win the contest

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I'M GOING TO LOSE THE CONTEST


Everyone is going to lose, don't feel bad about it.


but I was on track to WIN it

this must be how ExTha feels all the time only with less wrestling references


I will still feel like I won if Mega Man makes the finals.
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#282 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:15:39 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Also yeah Vinnie may have hidden some of his decline over the years, if you are chalking this up to a decline.

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uh oh Crono


if I were you, I'd switch to Pikachu>Crono>Magus right now, Vincent bomba or not
thanks SBFraud
#283 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/20/2013 10:16:00 PM | message detail
Maybe Phoenix is still within Vincent's reach. He should still dominate pretty hard overnight.
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#284 | Achromatic | Posted 8/20/2013 10:16:05 PM | message detail
Also the real tragedy of all of this is Chester. By Mewtwo looking decent it hurts our lowering of Chester's stats.

:(
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#285 | xp1337 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:16:18 PM | message detail
Crono is fine everyone!

He's going to go blaze a trail of glory here until he runs right into Cloud and Snake and gets crushed!
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#286 | LOLContests | Posted 8/20/2013 10:16:58 PM | message detail
I'm fully aware that Donte will make Dante bomb, but on a personal level.


On what level is Donte not 10x more attractive than normal Dante? Normal Dante being considered sexy has always been confusing to me, tbqh.
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#287 | xp1337 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:17:24 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Also the real tragedy of all of this is Chester. By Mewtwo looking decent it hurts our lowering of Chester's stats.

:(

Doesn't Tanner start losing to Chester if Mewtwo gets to Sephiroth's level?

pokefear backfire here we come
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#288 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 10:18:16 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Maybe Phoenix is still within Vincent's reach. He should still dominate pretty hard overnight.


Hey Vinnie, if you give it all you got maybe you can beat Phoenix Wright, we believe in you slayer of Crono
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#289 | Achromatic | Posted 8/20/2013 10:19:21 PM | message detail
We all know he never really beat Crono. It was all just a dream.
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#290 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:19:23 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
Achromatic posted...
Also the real tragedy of all of this is Chester. By Mewtwo looking decent it hurts our lowering of Chester's stats.

:(

Doesn't Tanner start losing to Chester if Mewtwo gets to Sephiroth's level?

pokefear backfire here we come


Mewtwo beats Draven somehow, Chester ends up above Mega Man X
#291 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/20/2013 10:19:41 PM | message detail
So this hilarious (not) pic disaster kind of needs to be immortalized in the annals of Board 8, somehow. We just can't not give this disaster a name. What should we nickname DoC Vincent? VNcent Valentine for how he looks like a VN prettyboy?
#292 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/20/2013 10:19:47 PM | message detail
Good point about Vincent possibly hiding his decline. He's looked crap in two consecutive contests now (did way worse than Tifa against Seph, and argue all you want, looking THAT much worse just stunk for him), a Guybrush crushing the only feather in his cap. He hasn't really looked good since 2008, while Tifa has had more solid matches in 2010 and 2013.
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#293 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/20/2013 10:22:17 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Good point about Vincent possibly hiding his decline. He's looked crap in two consecutive contests now (did way worse than Tifa against Seph, and argue all you want, looking THAT much worse just stunk for him), a Guybrush crushing the only feather in his cap. He hasn't really looked good since 2008, while Tifa has had more solid matches in 2010 and 2013.


Which leads us to the million dollar question: Squall. Is he going to flop just like Vincent? Is he going to stay constant as FF7 continues its downward spiral? What's going to happen if Red beasts as hard as Mewtwo is doing now on Round 3 of Mario's division?
#294 | jacko_vdz | Posted 8/20/2013 10:23:04 PM | message detail
So this match is currently only 67 votes ahead of Link's match 2 days ago. Thought this might of been more Reddit rallying but probably not the case.

This looks a lot like the Kefka match where the "stats" got flipped on their ass. I guess Mewtwo always had a shot at this because we've never had a good read on him, but Phoenix > Vincent for more than the board vote still seems crazy.
#295 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2013 10:25:27 PM | message detail | (edited)
If you take Tifa/Vincent on Seph at face value, Tifa gets something like 56-57% on Vincent. Her match was post-Missingno backlash, so I feel like you have to dock a few points from her relative to Vincent. Tifa getting 53-54% on Vincent isn't THAT bad for him. It could be enough to pull it out against Mewtwo.

Not like this though!
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#296 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/20/2013 10:23:42 PM | message detail
LOLContests posted...
I'm fully aware that Donte will make Dante bomb, but on a personal level.


On what level is Donte not 10x more attractive than normal Dante? Normal Dante being considered sexy has always been confusing to me, tbqh.


Normal Dante isn't a placeholder egotrip for the director like DINO is.

Also, a DINO pic wouldn't just hurt Dante by taking away votes, people would purposely vote for ANYONE besides him to anti-vote the hell out him.

KanzarisKelshen posted...
So this hilarious (not) pic disaster kind of needs to be immortalized in the annals of Board 8, somehow. We just can't not give this disaster a name. What should we nickname DoC Vincent? VNcent Valentine for how he looks like a VN prettyboy?


I read that as "Doc Vincent" so I'm going to go ahead and nominate "Dr. Vincent."
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#297 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/20/2013 10:25:21 PM | message detail
jacko_vdz posted...
So this match is currently only 67 votes ahead of Link's match 2 days ago. Thought this might of been more Reddit rallying but probably not the case.

This looks a lot like the Kefka match where the "stats" got flipped on their ass. I guess Mewtwo always had a shot at this because we've never had a good read on him, but Phoenix > Vincent for more than the board vote still seems crazy.


I can't help but blame votals for this somewhat, but...it still doesn't make any damn sense. How does Vincent go from being even with Crono to THIS?!
#298 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/20/2013 10:25:34 PM | message detail
Doc Vincent or Dr. Vincent works for me
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#299 | creativename | Posted 8/20/2013 10:25:46 PM | message detail
Vincent looks more like a Tween than a Dr. to me!
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#300 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/20/2013 10:26:13 PM | message detail
Perhaps SBAllen decided an all-fictional character battle was a good idea after all so he just chose the Vincent pic that most resembled Vincent Vega from Pulp Fiction.
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