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I like to say the reason Shep was the guru favorite is because it was up in the air and people often go with bias if they feel it's up in the air. Aeris not too popular here.
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Man Amano art is so cool.

Not that I'd want it in a match but that third pic is sexy as hell
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For some reason, Amano Squall reminds me of Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond.

You know what this means right?

SQUALL IS THE FREAKING BATMAN!

SQUALL = NOBLE NINE BREAKER CONFIRMED!

Saying someone is hilariously wrong with no evidence amounts to ad hominem in my eyes.

The fact that Aeris made it close flies in the face of your belief that Shep really benefited much from ME3. To my knowledge no sequel from the past year has really done anybody else much good why should it help Shep. The fact that Shep didn't even double Olimar flies in the face of what you say. The fact Aeris couldn't double my personal pet project Hero flies in the face of what you are saying.

Also Shep's BEST projections have him losing in 2010 to Aeris. He would have needed Pikachu to be legit AND boost quite a bit to win. But clearly his lackluster round 1 performance shows he didn't. He and Aeris just both aren't that good and tugged a bit to see who was just a little bit better.
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What the f*** is happening in this match.

Like, I just got here. And this is not what I expected to see.
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ah here we go.

http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-01/art/ff8-amano-squall-portrait2.jpg
http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-01/ff8-amano-squall-portrait1.html

now we're talking.
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pjbasis posted...

Man Amano art is so cool.

Not that I'd want it in a match but that third pic is sexy as hell

Yeah, Amano's art is amazing when it's respectful of the character, but man, it so does not help most people who can get it.

Using Pikachu/Lloyd places Shepard at around Proto Man in 2010
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Lopen posted...

I like to say the reason Shep was the guru favorite is because it was up in the air and people often go with bias if they feel it's up in the air. Aeris not too popular here.

This is a valid enough opinion to hold but Aeris losing in a super close match certainly doesn't speak to an FF7 drop. This would, except there's a massive sabotage in the way. It's like using Samus/Tifa to assert a Metroid drop, except Samus/Tifa wasn't even intentional or overt sabotage.
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Mewtwo starting to slow down, Vincent going MAXIMUM BOMBA, and Phoenix don't give a damn. C'mon comeback please, redeem this travesty!

Achromatic posted...

Also Shep's BEST projections have him losing in 2010 to Aeris. He would have needed Pikachu to be legit AND boost quite a bit to win.

What? Shep was adjusted downwards because Pikachu was clearly overrated. His raw projection had him beating Aeris.
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Man on one of my other alts, I actually Mewtwo > Phoenix > Vincent, but then quickly changed it because I thought I was being dumb.

Jokes on me, dammit.

Ah well that account was far from the leaderboard anyways.
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You guys know what this pic sabotaging means for Kefka right?

Lettuce accept the inevitable.
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Nothing makes any sense anymore

I'm going back to Divekick. That game makes sense. You dive. Then you kick. And all is right with the world.
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I actually like this Samus design most, but I'm probably in the ultra minority. Never played the series though.

Definitely the minority, but I like it the most too. Well, aside from maybe Prime 1's Samus, which, given Other M's notoriety, may be the way to go for a completely unrecognizable pic.

http://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/File:Samus_mp1_Artwork_4.png

I dunno. Hated game vs. less recognizable. Pick your poison.
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If we re-ran this with normal pics, I think I just have to take Mewtwo now just out of skepticism that Vincent could turn this all the way around but man... we're just not going to know now. And I'm totally interested in what Vincent gets normally now.

If this is what winning at all costs look like, it's not a very nice place!

I just really hope Crono/Pikachu is left alone.
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Lettuce Kefka beating Draven would make no sense...

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ShatteredElysium posted...

Achromatic posted...

Also Shep's BEST projections have him losing in 2010 to Aeris. He would have needed Pikachu to be legit AND boost quite a bit to win.

What? Shep was adjusted downwards because Pikachu was clearly overrated. His raw projection had him beating Aeris.

Oh, did I just mislook then? My bad, Shep does in fact beat Aeris at his peak. Thanks for pointing that out SE. My point about Olimar/Hero this contest does stand though, even if the distance he had to travel wasn't quite as far as I imagined.
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Karma Hunter posted...

Like, Mewtwo isn't even looking all-world here. 60-40ing Phoenix is yawn city. Taking this performance at face value either Mewtwo > Sonic or Barret > Vincent.

Yeah, this isn't really looking like Mewtwo looking great or anything.

Getting 60% on a Phoenix who himself has a pretty crappy pic isn't lighting the world on fire.

I'm sure Vincent has fallen off a lot but this pic sabotage is unlike anything we've ever seen.
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MegatokyoEd posted...

You guys know what this pic sabotaging means for Kefka right?

Lettuce accept the inevitable.

I rather leave that alone. We NEED to see Sprite Snake against Laughing Kefka so let's sabotage Lara and Altair instead.

Achromatic posted...

Saying someone is hilariously wrong with no evidence amounts to ad hominem in my eyes.

Then you are not using the term correctly. Your arguments do not hold water in the face of the available evidence. Pointing that out does not make me guilty of using ad hominem, as you were.

The fact that Aeris made it close flies in the face of your belief that Shep really benefited much from ME3. To my knowledge no sequel from the past year has really done anybody else much good why should it help Shep.

Your assertion on 'no sequel from the past year' is a loaded and misguided one. How many people have had a sequel from the past year? Nathan Drake would certainly seem to contradict the available evidence, his sequels provided him with among the biggest boosts we've ever seen in contest history (he just beat Pac-Man, he initially got doubled by CATS and lost horribly to The Boss in the middle of the day).

The fact that Shep didn't even double Olimar flies in the face of what you say. The fact Aeris couldn't double my personal pet project Hero flies in the face of what you are saying.

Aeris was being leeched by Rinoa, which weakened her significantly relative to Hero. Shepard had extenuating circumstances with Olimar - not least of which his/her FemShep picture.

Also Shep's BEST projections have him losing in 2010 to Aeris. He would have needed Pikachu to be legit AND boost quite a bit to win. But clearly his lackluster round 1 performance shows he didn't. He and Aeris just both aren't that good and tugged a bit to see who was just a little bit better.

Shepard didn't need Pikachu to be legitmate - you're underestimating how much people boost from major releases like this. We've had countless examples over the years like this. Even my boy Solid Snake's got one from MGS4.
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Has Snake ever gotten the NES box art for Metal Gear as a match pic? It would be interesting to see how he does with that
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No way Vincent beats Mewtwo even with a good pic, but FFVII is my favourite game ever and I literally do not recognize this person as being Vincent Valentine. Absolutely criminal, both the person submitting this and Allen for choosing it. Especially for a somewhat debated match. Not cool.
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Chris whether your or KH are right, you can't use this match to validate it one way or the other.

This match is a horrendous outlier because of the pic. You can't judge anything from it.

Or I mean, if you want to judge this with a Vincent drop, I hope you're taking Mewtwo next round as well.
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Votal update: Vincent is pulling in less than a hundred votes per update right now. Vincent Valentine cannot break a hundred votes per update while Phoenix Wright is padding a nigh-insurmountable lead over him. I said it was the Chaos Season, but I didn't even know how true that was going to be.

Karma Hunter posted...

Aeris was being leeched by Rinoa,

Barely could SFF the greatest SFF there was to be had
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Oh yeah I'm not saying that Aeris looked good or bad there I think she's probably about where she should be expected to be.

I actually don't think FFVII characters are going to be substantially weaker except Vincent-- half pic half the nature of the character there. I mean 60% on KOS-MOS was a red flag to begin with. You can't put this all on the pic.
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I'm relieved that there's going to be no sprite round this year, but I almost kind of wish there were, just so we could finally see Sprite Snake lose to someone like Laughing Kefka and this whole thing would be settled. I really believed that could happen, no concern trolling or anything here.
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Even with a decent Vincent pic, he's still not beating Mewtwo. Definitely not looking good for FF7.
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Lopen posted...

Oh yeah I'm not saying that Aeris looked good or bad there I think she's probably about where she should be expected to be.

I actually don't think FFVII characters are going to be substantially weaker except Vincent-- half pic half the nature of the character there. I mean 60% on KOS-MOS was a red flag to begin with. You can't put this all on the pic.

Vincent could - could be weaker. But it's not like we'll conclusively know NOW, is it?
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I can't believe that Phoenix Wright lost the early vote. You people have lost your roots.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Oh and if people didn't realize it, if Dante gets a Donte pic he's getting doubled probably. Just FYI for the Oracles!
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Does Sephiroth have any suited metrosexual Japanese youthful man pics?
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What's a Donte pic?
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When you say something I say is "hilariously" wrong I take it as an insult, and I don't really care what you have to say about it. We are not in a debate club, and if I feel insulted I am not going to play as nice as I would if I didn't feel insulted. It is really that simple.

Also I did not deny boosts from games happen, I am denying more recent boosts from games happening. 2012 as a whole has done a great job of bombing in this contest, without much of a counterweight of success. Also the fact of the matter is Aeris also wasn't adjusted despite facing Auron - potentially because the people who adjust the xstats (who do a wonderful job, btw) thought she looked "right." She could have been stronger then but gotten taken a bit to task by Auron, even if it is a percentage point or two it really does blur these discussions.

Yeah sure Rinoa hurt her a bit but the Hero really had very few reasons to be anything more than fodder, the fact that he got that much of a total % both made me very pleased and clued me in on poor Aeris. Like I more than anyone should be nodding my head and going "Yeah! Go Aeris!" but in reality I just don't see that.

Anyway this is all pointless because no result is going to change your mind and Shep is going to get lost in the link/draven hell in a cell match next round so neither of us is going to have the proof we desire, and you seem to think barret did good soo <_<.

Maybe you just have lower expectations than me.
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Really though, Snake still 55-45'd Pikachu with Solid **** in 2010. Ever since the Brawl boost he hasn't been as bad as before with the pic, though he still certainly sucks ass with it.

There's no real reason to think Laughing Kefka actually pulls it off.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

I said it was the Chaos Season, but I didn't even know how true that was going to be.

Does anyone really think Vincent still loses to Phoenix without sabotage? Just forget Mewtwo for the moment. Phoenix v Vincent no pic sabotage.

You can stop making this out to be more than it is any time now!
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I think we can be pretty confident that he's lost something between last match and by how much he's losing this match by.

The extent of it being pic vs natural drop is the thing that'll be a toughie to determine. Honestly I'd probably just set KOS-MOS to constant and go from there to ballpark it.
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xp1337 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

I said it was the Chaos Season, but I didn't even know how true that was going to be.

Does any really think Vincent still loses to Phoenix without sabotage? Just forget Mewtwo for the moment. Phoenix v Vincent no pic sabotage.

You can stop making this out to be more than it is any time now!

...Are we talking about what we want to believe, or what we know to be true?

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I was expecting an FF7 drop for this contest, Chris, this isn't out of line with that. The only thing I'm saying is that this doesn't conclusively prove anything one way or the other. Aeris looked great to me. Barret looked fantastic relative to what his first round implied he would do - and if Sonic can score a mere 55% on Mewtwo, he's looking like he would give Vincent Valentine the beating of a lifetime.

I can accept the drop, but I don't see conclusive evidence for it. That's my issue.
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Damn, Phoenix Wright is beating Vincent, yet it just seems so hollow.

Man, this contest got so damn ugly so damn quickly.
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snoocete posted...

What's a Donte pic?

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Y8T6lW7Lsn8/maxresdefault.jpg
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

xp1337 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

I said it was the Chaos Season, but I didn't even know how true that was going to be.

Does any really think Vincent still loses to Phoenix without sabotage? Just forget Mewtwo for the moment. Phoenix v Vincent no pic sabotage.

You can stop making this out to be more than it is any time now!

...Are we talking about what we want to believe, or what we know to be true?

...I'm sorry I asked!
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MegatokyoEd posted...

Really though, Snake still 55-45'd Pikachu with Solid **** in 2010. Ever since the Brawl boost he hasn't been as bad as before with the pic, though he still certainly sucks ass with it.

There's no real reason to think Laughing Kefka actually pulls it off.

I expect Laughing Kefka to boost this year's Kefka potentially to a Luigi level. That's easily enough to beat Sprite Snake.
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snoocete posted...

What's a Donte pic?

Dante from DmC, looking like this and this:

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This is how he looks in game. Really. It's just so atrocious we all believe it will annihilate Dante's strength.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

Damn, Phoenix Wright is beating Vincent, yet it just seems so hollow.

Man, this contest got so damn ugly so damn quickly.

SBAllen, ladies and gents.
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That being said my theory is that Vincent dropped and nothing else, here. I'm not using this or any other FFVII match to say FFVII has dropped. FFVII has looked fine outside of Vincent and there are reasons to think Vincent would drop harder than the rest of the characters.
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