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Bacon continues to prove his genius.

We all complain about these non-1v1 formats, and about Link not being relegated to a permanent Tournament of Champions.

And then his decisions to ignore our pleas lead to crazy vote drawing Link-killers like L-Block and Draven, or at least Cloud-killing ones like the Pokemon Trainers.

Allen clearly the smartest admin in the business. All us wannabe admins can't step to his level. I welcome our eight-way, double-elimination round robin style tournament in 2015.
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Draven seriously threatening to take up two thirds of the poll by himself. Against a near elite and a high midcarder.

Damn, feels good to admire greatness.

xp1337 posted...

I don't know!

But then I'm of the belief that L-Block and its rally were responsible for 2008 sticking with the same format to try and get a repeat performance so I half expect Bacon to keep this up for at least one more try to see what happens.

I mean, if he cared what we thought the last few contests would have been structured differently!

L-Block was different. *We* created L-Block and we ended him through sheer force of will. This is not an understatement - a big amount of the site simply said "nah, don't need L to win again", and so he lost to Crono and Pikachu. This is also a big reason that Missingno entered his sophomore slump.

This is just outside rallying. Unless Bacon just wants complete and utter apathy from his actual site over the contest, he'll change it up.
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Still waiting for the update where Draven doesn't increase.
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I still don't know! Part of me thinks Bacon will just go, "Hey, great, rallies! New traffic!" and try to make it happen again.

The board might hate it but are we really just going to leave? Or to use the stock argument, "Would you rather we just run normal polls?"
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MegatokyoEd posted...

Still waiting for the update where Draven doesn't increase.

Serious question.

Is this actually going to happen?

Iubaris posted...

Just so you know, that reddit post is sitting at #5 on all of reddit. You know, the site that has over 100 million users per month.

Where? I don't see it
And it might actually be a good thing,normal reddit users will vote for X instead

This is so dorky and I'm literally the only one who cares but this is kinda interesting to me. Going MORE IN DEPTH here to see if the theory of 300/400 stuffed votes per 5 (so 2400 or 1800 per 30) holds, comparing to yesterday night's match as a baseline. Assuming Ryu+MMX get around 85% on this poll without rallies to determine "extra" votes (which is about where it was going at the beginning)

0:35-1:05
Total vote intake: 6448
Yesterday's intake: 2070
Extra votes: 4378
Draven's "extra" votes: 3931 (310 GameFAQs votes approximated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 447
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied with no stuffed/400/300: 10%/22.5%/17.3%

1:05-1:35
Total vote intake: 6544
Yesterday's intake: 1666
Extra votes: 4878
Draven's "extra" votes: 4371 (250 gamefaqs votes approximated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 507
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied with/without stuffed vote adjustment: 10.3%/20.46%/16.4%

1:35-2:05
Total vote intake: 5402
Yesterday's intake: 1296
Extra votes: 4106
Draven's "extra" votes: 3617 (195 GameFAQs votes approximated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 489
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied with/without stuffed vote adjustment: 11.9%/28.6%/21.2%

2:05-2:35
Total vote intake: 4681
Yesterday's intake: 1241
Extra votes: 3620
Draven's "extra" votes: 3169 (186 GameFAQs votes approximated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 451
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied with/without stuffed vote adjustment: 12.4%/36.9%/24.7%

2:35-3:05 (here's where it starts to be come obvious I think)
Total vote intake: 3901
Yesterday's intake: 1063
Extra votes: 2838
Draven's "extra" votes: 2613 (160 GameFAQs votes estimated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 225
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied with/without stuffed vote adjustment: 7.9%/51.3%/21.6%

3:05-3:35:
Total vote intake: 4172
Yesterday's intake: 913
Extra votes: 3259
Draven's "extra" votes: 2887 (137 GameFAQs votes approximated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 372
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied with/without stuffed vote adjustment: 12.3%/43.3%/25.4%

3:35-4:05:
Total vote intake: 3329
Yesterday's intake: 848
Extra votes: 2481
Draven's "extra" votes: 2272 (127 GameFAQs votes approximated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 209
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied with/without stuffed vote adjustment: 8.4%/LOL%/30.6%

4:05-4:35:
Total vote intake: 3048
Yesterday's intake: 827
Extra votes: 2221
Draven's "extra" votes: 2091 (124 GameFAQs votes approximated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 130
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied with/without stuffed vote adjustment: 5.8%/LOL%/30.8%
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xp1337 posted...

I still don't know! Part of me thinks Bacon will just go, "Hey, great, rallies! New traffic!" and try to make it happen again.

The board might hate it but are we really just going to leave? Or to use the stock argument, "Would you rather we just run normal polls?"

Tons of people have already left! *I* left when I saw Rivalry Rumble, personally. The "traffic is doing fine lol Age of Google" is a bluff, and GameFAQs' traffic ranking reflects this.

You know we're not going to see Rivalry Rumble again, and I'd say we're unlikely to see a 243 character bracket again in similar fashion.
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So uhhh... conclusions from that.

1. 400 per five stuffed was probably too high-- definitely too high now.
2. 300 per five stuffed generates numbers that look kinda cleanish-- but it's probably a decreasing number stuffed per update... like 400 for the early hours decreasing down to 250-300ish now.
3. Using straight raw numbers have Ryu/MM tanking the lower the extra vote count goes which to me implies stuffing, but we'll need some more late night updates to be sure.

May do more if I'm bored, even though this is almost all to satisfy my curiosity here.
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I guess you're just more optimistic than I am!

And disinterest in contests is different from leaving entirely. I'd just pretend it was the offseason all the time probably!
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Singerton posted...

MegatokyoEd posted...

Still waiting for the update where Draven doesn't increase.

Serious question.

Is this actually going to happen?

When your percentage of an update is higher than your current percentage, you go up.

Draven has been consistently pulling updates in the 68-72% range, most being within a percent of 70%.

So he's in danger of his first non-increase update once he pushes past 68%, but likely won't see it until he's finally around 70%.
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Lopen posted...

So uhhh... conclusions from that.

1. 400 per five stuffed was probably too high-- definitely too high now.
2. 300 per five stuffed generates numbers that look kinda cleanish-- but it's probably a decreasing number stuffed per update... like 400 for the early hours decreasing down to 250-300ish now.
3. Using straight raw numbers have Ryu/MM tanking the lower the extra vote count goes which to me implies stuffing, but we'll need some more late night updates to be sure.

May do more if I'm bored, even though this is almost all to satisfy my curiosity here.

This is fascinating, L. Please keep it going.

This is insane.. Not only is he winning, he might hit 70%.. on Ryu and Mega Man X.. Let that sink in again.
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Oh and uh fourth conclusion is that this rallying is pretty potent even if you believe my theories on how many votes are being stuffed here. This match would be Draven up by a couple thousand on just rallying.
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I think Bacon might remove some votes, but given the volume of rallied and "rallied" traffic it'll be pretty much impossible to pin down the number of votes that should be removed. I can't see him removing enough to lead to a lead reversal. On the other hand, if he removes some we'll see if a Link win is still feasible.
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Lopen posted...

Oh and uh fourth conclusion is that this rallying is pretty potent even if you believe my theories on how many votes are being stuffed here. This match would be Draven up by a couple thousand on just rallying.

Which kind of says a lot about...well, a lot of things, really. This is absolutely worth discussing. I've pushed my theories forward time and time again, but now I want to hear what you guys think. Why is Draven getting such an enormous rally push?

That would matter for next round, if not these two. Link better hope Lopen's crackpot theories are right for once!
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First percentage drop for Draven.
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I don't think we'll get any votes removed. Probably just another, "It was legitimate, if extraordinary." post.
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I don't know if Lopen's numbers are right, but it's pretty obvious that this isn't pure, uncut rally.
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So uh, it goes without saying at this point, but those of us who saw what Draven did in Round 1 and pressed the panic alarm over the possibility of Draven not only winning this match but being a threat to Link were laughed at for it, and we were horrifyingly right. I mean I didn't think it would be anywhere near THIS bad but yeah.

I dunno where I'm going with this either. Give us a medal or something I guess.
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Nanis23 posted...

Iubaris posted...

Just so you know, that reddit post is sitting at #5 on all of reddit. You know, the site that has over 100 million users per month.

Where? I don't see it
And it might actually be a good thing,normal reddit users will vote for X instead

http://www.reddit.com/r/all/

Although it's down to #37 at the time of this post.
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What? If my crackpot theories are right Link is doomed unless you're assuming Bacon actually removes the stuffed votes. Even with the lower end estimate of stuffed votes Draven is stuffing more votes than Link can hope to draw.

And the numbers are right-- how you interpret the numbers (and how much you accept last night's match as a good "baseline" for vote totals) is the question
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AxemRedRanger posted...

So uh, it goes without saying at this point, but those of us who saw what Draven did in Round 1 and pressed the panic alarm over the possibility of Draven not only winning this match but being a threat to Link were laughed at for it, and we were horrifyingly right. I mean I didn't think it would be anywhere near THIS bad but yeah.

I dunno where I'm going with this either. Give us a medal or something I guess.

http://mmogamecentral.com/wp-content/uploads/League-of-Legends-by-Dyann-Callahan-draven.jpg

xp1337 posted...

I was over on the "panic" side but I don't want a medal for this!

You earned it.

Suck it Bidoof
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Link/Cloud/L-Block/Snake at 5:02 AM - 46171
Draven/Ryu/MMX at 5:00 AM - 45849

This match is nearly catching up to the 2007 final at this point in time.
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Welp, I'm going to sleep.

I won't mind if I wake up and the poll on the front page is "So what did you think of Character Battle IX?" In fact, it's preferable to the alternative!
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And there he goes, with nearly 67%

Doubling X and Ryu.

Wow.

I...still don't get it
We are 5 hours in and I still don't believe it
We have seen numerous rallies before and they barely helped weak characters get second place or for stronger characters win a close match
But we are talking about..3000-4000 rallied votes max
Right now Draven got 10 times the amount
Just how much is reddit more popular than /v/...?

-LusterSoldier- posted...

Link/Cloud/L-Block/Snake at 5:02 AM - 46171
Draven/Ryu/MMX at 5:00 AM - 45849

This match is nearly catching up to the 2007 final at this point in time.

Plus that was a 4 player FINAL. Wow, this is just broken.
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I think the more troubling/interesting aspect to all this is that it really opens the door to the idea that with preparation you could generate something like this immediately.

Let's say we had a game contest a few months from now and we had OoT v LoL R1. I think the conventional wisdom used to say that we could safely take OoT because LoL would need time to turn into a monster. But after this, I kind of think if you prepared for it, it just might not matter.
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ok so how does Draven's X-Stats compare with the strongest forms of Link/L-Block?
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voltch posted...

ok so how does Draven's X-Stats compare with the strongest forms of Link/L-Block?

Last I saw them posted it was something like 70% on Link and 60% on 2007 L-Block. It's probably a bit worse now.

Er, not sure what Link was used, I'd guess 2010. Not sure what peak Link would be considered.
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And there goes the 67%

He has to be worth like a bajillion Chesters now.

The final of the next games contest will be LoL vs. DotA2.
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So guys
Barret or Dracula for second place?


...screw it nothing matters anymore

We're normal now guys!
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xp1337 posted...

I think the more troubling/interesting aspect to all this is that it really opens the door to the idea that with preparation you could generate something like this immediately.

Let's say we had a game contest a few months from now and we had OoT v LoL R1. I think the conventional wisdom used to say that we could safely take OoT because LoL would need time to turn into a monster. But after this, I kind of think if you prepared for it, it just might not matter.

And by extension, what if you could do this for other things? Imagine if social media could be leveraged this way for something more useful, like a vote act.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Iubaris posted...

Just so you know, that reddit post is sitting at #5 on all of reddit. You know, the site that has over 100 million users per month.

Now imagine for a second what happens when I put up the link Rally and Board 8 massively upvotes it.

HYLIAN
HAMMER

I'm curious, what subreddit do you plan on putting the rally on? Gaming?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Iubaris posted...

Where are you planning on posting it? I use reddit a lot, and different subreddits have widely varying cultures. I don't think it would get very far on /r/gaming, for example.

/r/gaming, the central Nintendo reddit, /r/pokemon, /r/loz, so far. Any others I should jot down?

Those, Silver.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Iubaris posted...

Where are you planning on posting it? I use reddit a lot, and different subreddits have widely varying cultures. I don't think it would get very far on /r/gaming, for example.

/r/gaming, the central Nintendo reddit, /r/pokemon, /r/loz, so far. Any others I should jot down?

Those, Silver.

You'll need more. Much more.

Zinganger posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Iubaris posted...

Where are you planning on posting it? I use reddit a lot, and different subreddits have widely varying cultures. I don't think it would get very far on /r/gaming, for example.

/r/gaming, the central Nintendo reddit, /r/pokemon, /r/loz, so far. Any others I should jot down?

Those, Silver.

You'll need more. Much more.

In that case, help me out (or don't if you favor Draven). My preparation topic is over here - I don't want to clutter Stats for the rest of the contest discussing what to do:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/67029040?page=1

Zinganger posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Iubaris posted...

Where are you planning on posting it? I use reddit a lot, and different subreddits have widely varying cultures. I don't think it would get very far on /r/gaming, for example.

/r/gaming, the central Nintendo reddit, /r/pokemon, /r/loz, so far. Any others I should jot down?

Those, Silver.

You'll need more. Much more.

You must undo this chaos you have wrought!
Doesn't Nintendo have some forums? I don't know what that's worth, but it might be something.
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Despite extra votes dropping Ryu/MMX's percentage of extra votes rebounds a bit to about what they were getting in the earlier half hours. Not entirely sure what to make of that. Could be a blip, could be stuffed votes dropping a bit with how firmly in hand this is, could be a lot of things.

4:35-5:05:
Total vote intake: 2969
Yesterday's intake: 704
Extra votes: 2265
Draven's "extra" votes: 2041 (105 GameFAQs votes approximated)
Ryu + MMX's "extra" votes: 224
Ryu + MMX's percentage of rallied without adjustment/250/300 per 5: 9.8%/29.2%/48.1%
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These vote totals are insane. 47k and we're not even halfway?

xp1337 posted...

voltch posted...

ok so how does Draven's X-Stats compare with the strongest forms of Link/L-Block?

Last I saw them posted it was something like 70% on Link and 60% on 2007 L-Block. It's probably a bit worse now.

Er, not sure what Link was used, I'd guess 2010. Not sure what peak Link would be considered.

I calculated his x-stat based on him getting 70% (which is what he's trending to) vs X with 17% (what he was trending to) at 83.72%. I went with Leon's adjusted 2010 stats, meaning Link's x-stat is 50% as always. I'm not savvy to how any comparison of Link on a year-to-year basis is made, but ngamer's site that doesn't set Link at 50% every year has 2007 L-Block as the strongest character ever, anyway.

To re-post the numbers I came up with:

vs Link: 70.14%
vs Cloud: 72.25%
vs Mario: 73.05%
vs Snake: 73.41%
vs Samus: 73.81%
vs Sephiroth: 74.99%
vs Mega Man: 76.08%
vs Crono: 76.56%
vs Charizard: 76.89%
vs Sonic: 77.58%
vs 2007 L-Block: 61.28%
vs Spring Breeze Dancin': 97.14%
vs Tanner: 97.75%
vs Chester: 98.69%

Alright, now I'm out. G'night.
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voltch posted...

so are 4chan buddies with Reddit?

No, they collectively hate each other.