Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1120

#1 | DSRKVRTheDealer | Posted 8/19/2013 9:36:09 PM | message detail
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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

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#2 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/19/2013 9:44:53 PM | message detail
A little early for this topic, although I guess the previous topic will quickly hit 500 given the match that is going on right now.
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#3 | DSRKVRTheDealer (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/19/2013 9:45:48 PM | message detail
That was my thinking. Apologies though if I offended.
#4 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 9:47:17 PM | message detail
Eh, he's earned it. This is like the biggest shock in contest history. L-Block was a relatively slow burn that turned into an inferno during the last few days of a contest.

Draven just supernova'd in one round.
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#5 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/19/2013 10:15:28 PM | message detail
Just woke up, voted for Draven despite him being my least favored character. Annoying Link fangirls, go f*** yourself, i am going to rally for Draven too.
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#6 | Corrik | Posted 8/19/2013 10:16:49 PM | message detail
I am anti-voting Link next round... I know that. Tired of him winning when he isn't even that much of a character.


Still think LTTP is one of the best games ever made though.
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#7 | spooky96 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:08:11 PM | message detail
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#8 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 11:09:26 PM | message detail
IF this is legit, IF Draven wins this whole thing...

does anyone here take anything OTHER than League of Legends to win the next game contest? I mean, there will be on Draven/Teemo/other character bickering. It'll be the whole enchilada.
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#9 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/19/2013 11:10:19 PM | message detail
what in the ****

I liked L-Block and Missingno, but this is lame lol
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#10 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/19/2013 11:10:36 PM | message detail
You now realise that Sonic the Hedgehog is going to outlast Link in this contest.
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#11 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 11:11:23 PM | message detail
Freakin Sora can outlast Link!
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#12 | spooky96 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:11:40 PM | message detail
Masato_Tanaka posted...
what in the ****

I liked L-Block and Missingno, but this is lame lol


Me too. Just wasn't around when L Block won, but would have enjoyed voting for L block and seeing it winning the contest.
#13 | LOZLTTP | Posted 8/19/2013 11:12:19 PM | message detail
I loved L-Block winning and I am going to love Draven winning too.
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#14 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/19/2013 11:12:45 PM | message detail
JJH777 posted...
does anyone remember how many votes kerrigan finished at in the gamespot contest finals? I cant seem to find it and I think that would be a good indicator to see how legit this is. Kerrigan got so many rallies from high profile sc2 community members. I have trouble believing a simple reddit rally can compare. If there was a LoL version of Husky rallying it might be believable but AFAIK there isn't.


https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdFd1cGVuQ2xhaXhwT2dsQ3Z0TnB2R1E&gid=1

151420 votes, but that match lasted for 6 days.
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#15 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/19/2013 11:12:53 PM | message detail
Masato_Tanaka posted...
So is Draven the new L-Block this contest? WTF


L-Block was an original and hilarious joke that had the full support of GameFAQs, and was rooted in a classic video game that everyone knows and loves

Draven is another in a long line of generic and lame pay-to-win heroes that loses to Chie on GameFAQs, and is rooted in one of the worst video games ever created.
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#16 | LOLContests | Posted 8/19/2013 11:13:32 PM | message detail
StealThisSheen posted...
Either way

Anybody saying this is going to stop any future contests from happening is dumb.

Rallies cause traffic.

Traffic is what Bacon wants.

If anything, it makes future contests more likely.


If these rallies drive off interest in future contests, that's definitely more harmful for the site long term than some more hits on a handful of days a year.
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#17 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:13:36 PM | message detail
Thanks Luster. So the votals tonight are about the same as L-Block's semifinal. So Link can win if we somehow jump back to 2007 votals next round.
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#18 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/19/2013 11:14:06 PM | message detail
Draven's lead on X is now over 10k.
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#19 | spooky96 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:14:33 PM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
You now realise that Sonic the Hedgehog is going to outlast Link in this contest.


Too bad Link got fed to Draven early on.


Link got fed

Link got fed

Link got fed
#20 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/19/2013 11:14:53 PM | message detail
At the rate this match is going, we should surpass Sephiroth/Missingno as the most popular night match in vote totals.
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#21 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/19/2013 11:14:57 PM | message detail
LOLContests posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Either way

Anybody saying this is going to stop any future contests from happening is dumb.

Rallies cause traffic.

Traffic is what Bacon wants.

If anything, it makes future contests more likely.


If these rallies drive off interest in future contests, that's definitely more harmful for the site long term than some more hits on a handful of days a year.


A great way to generate traffic is to turn the contests into a farce and alienate your core userbase. Didn't you get the memo?
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#22 | xp1337 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:15:05 PM | message detail
LOLContests posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Either way

Anybody saying this is going to stop any future contests from happening is dumb.

Rallies cause traffic.

Traffic is what Bacon wants.

If anything, it makes future contests more likely.


If these rallies drive off interest in future contests, that's definitely more harmful for the site long term than some more hits on a handful of days a year.

Will they though?

Maybe they cripple Board 8's interest, but I'm not even sure they'd do that. I'm not at all prepared to say just because this kind of thing lessens my interest means it will for everyone else.
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#23 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 11:15:34 PM | message detail | (edited)
The only thing I find really disappointing about this is, as Turtle says, Draven just seems like an extremely lame and generic character. That YouTube video posted in here with his one-liners was really sub par.
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#24 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:15:29 PM | message detail
Draven has more votes at this point than LoZ did in the series final at the same point.
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#25 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:15:31 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
JJH777 posted...
does anyone remember how many votes kerrigan finished at in the gamespot contest finals? I cant seem to find it and I think that would be a good indicator to see how legit this is. Kerrigan got so many rallies from high profile sc2 community members. I have trouble believing a simple reddit rally can compare. If there was a LoL version of Husky rallying it might be believable but AFAIK there isn't.


https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdFd1cGVuQ2xhaXhwT2dsQ3Z0TnB2R1E&gid=1

151420 votes, but that match lasted for 6 days.


Not 150k.

http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-villain/vote/index.html

250k votes. Biggest match ever. Period.
#26 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 8/19/2013 11:15:51 PM | message detail
If the rally doesn't result in sustained traffic it's useless to Bacon. And there's no way this is anywhere near legit; the rally was on the front page of the subreddit last time too, and the votals were nowhere near this insane.
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#27 | Xuxon | Posted 8/19/2013 11:17:12 PM | message detail
2 and a quarter hours in, Draven now has more votes than the entirety of the bonus poll.
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#28 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/19/2013 11:17:20 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Not 150k.

http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-villain/vote/index.html

250k votes. Biggest match ever. Period.


I was referring to Kerrigan's vote total, not the overall vote total. But yeah, there were over 250000 votes overall, including over 100000 votes just for the loser.
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#29 | scaryice | Posted 8/19/2013 11:17:21 PM | message detail
http://www.gamespot.com/greatest-video-game-villain/vote/battle-hub/index.html?battle_id=63

252,459 votes for the Kerrigan-Vader match - someone wanted to know.
#30 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 11:17:22 PM | message detail
MMX now projected over 65% on Ryu based on Dravenstats!

Closing in on Cloud level strength!
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#31 | StealThisSheen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:17:34 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...

Not how it works. Soap/Big Daddy had elevated totals for a night match after Crono/Missingno, which succeeded.


Soap/Big Daddy had 55k.
Yoshi/Jak had 48k
Sephiroth/Marth had 54k

Sephiroth/Marth was BEFORE Missingno/Crono, but had similar votals.

It didn't increase them noticeably.

Hell, Leon/Vault Boy had higher votals than Soap/Big Daddy, and that was nowhere near Missingno.
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#32 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/19/2013 11:17:43 PM | message detail
Everyone is free to vote right? The entire world!
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#33 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/19/2013 11:17:57 PM | message detail
LordoftheMorons posted...
If the rally doesn't result in sustained traffic it's useless to Bacon. And there's no way this is anywhere near legit; the rally was on the front page of the subreddit last time too, and the votals were nowhere near this insane.


Exactly, I can see LoL fanboys rallying against Jak and Chie, since who cares or knows about those 2. X and Ryu are 2 gaming icons, and I have to think that at least 20% of the LoL fanboys would support them, especially since Draven isn't particularly liked even in his own game.
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#34 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:18:05 PM | message detail
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#35 | Janus5000 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:18:13 PM | message detail
Remember when people thought L-Block was going to strike again in 2008? (I think people were saying that after he made it past round 2 anyway)

...Yeah, I don't see this having a lasting impact on anything. All this does is make the finals even more predictable (spoilers Link was going to win anyway).
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#36 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/19/2013 11:19:10 PM | message detail
Draven should really have like 4000 votes right now.

Without the rallying. Dravens wins the contest.
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#37 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 11:19:25 PM | message detail
StealThisSheen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

Not how it works. Soap/Big Daddy had elevated totals for a night match after Crono/Missingno, which succeeded.


Soap/Big Daddy had 55k.
Yoshi/Jak had 48k
Sephiroth/Marth had 54k

Sephiroth/Marth was BEFORE Missingno/Crono, but had similar votals.

It didn't increase them noticeably.

Hell, Leon/Vault Boy had higher votals than Soap/Big Daddy, and that was nowhere near Missingno.


Soap/Big Daddy had more votes than Sephiroth/Marth (Clinkeroth and a Nintendo character) despite being a fight of scrubs. Your argument is ludicrously wrong and you know it.
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#38 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/19/2013 11:19:39 PM | message detail
This is ****ing crazy.
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#40 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:20:57 PM | message detail
Character Battle Bonus: Link/Link/Link/Link

Classic Link 62.34% 95234
Young Link 6.22% 9502
Toon Link 14.47% 22108
CD-I Link 16.97% 25919
TOTAL VOTES 152763

Link needs to pull out these kinds of votals.
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#41 | StealThisSheen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:21:38 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

Not how it works. Soap/Big Daddy had elevated totals for a night match after Crono/Missingno, which succeeded.


Soap/Big Daddy had 55k.
Yoshi/Jak had 48k
Sephiroth/Marth had 54k

Sephiroth/Marth was BEFORE Missingno/Crono, but had similar votals.

It didn't increase them noticeably.

Hell, Leon/Vault Boy had higher votals than Soap/Big Daddy, and that was nowhere near Missingno.


Soap/Big Daddy had more votes than Sephiroth/Marth (Clinkeroth and a Nintendo character) despite being a fight of scrubs. Your argument is ludicrously wrong and you know it.


Explain Leon/Vault Boy having higher votals, then.
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#42 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:23:06 PM | message detail
StealThisSheen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

Not how it works. Soap/Big Daddy had elevated totals for a night match after Crono/Missingno, which succeeded.


Soap/Big Daddy had 55k.
Yoshi/Jak had 48k
Sephiroth/Marth had 54k

Sephiroth/Marth was BEFORE Missingno/Crono, but had similar votals.

It didn't increase them noticeably.

Hell, Leon/Vault Boy had higher votals than Soap/Big Daddy, and that was nowhere near Missingno.


Soap/Big Daddy had more votes than Sephiroth/Marth (Clinkeroth and a Nintendo character) despite being a fight of scrubs. Your argument is ludicrously wrong and you know it.


Explain Leon/Vault Boy having higher votals, then.


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#43 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:23:27 PM | message detail
The big thing to look for with this match is how Ryu and MMX's votes slow down. If they stop getting more votes than you'd expect in updates and Draven is still spiking over, you have roughly how many votes are being stuffed per update.

Right now the extra votes are starting to drop-- Draven not so much. We'd normally be pulling about 200-210 votes at this time of night, which means Ryu + MMX would have around 180 or so given Draven's starting percentage. They have about 220 so they're still getting a little more. About 40 extra votes given about 700 extra votes per 5.

Compare this to an hour ago when the rally was still relatively fresh. You expect about 250-300 votes per 5 then. Ryu + MM would be expected to have around 200-250 there. We were pulling about 1150, with Ryu + MM getting about 300-350. That's about 100-150 more given about 900 extra per five.

So yeah this implies there's a lot of stuffing here. Ryu and MM are dropping off a lot harder relative to the extra vote totals than they should be as the night goes on and presumably the rally loses some steam.
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#44 | anondum | Posted 8/19/2013 11:23:32 PM | message detail
pretty much all the stuff that makes draven popular is fan made and has very little to do with his character besides his comically bad design.

I certainly don't mind people whining about this while thinking l-block was great, since l-block was stupid.
#45 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 11:23:53 PM | message detail
StealThisSheen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

Not how it works. Soap/Big Daddy had elevated totals for a night match after Crono/Missingno, which succeeded.


Soap/Big Daddy had 55k.
Yoshi/Jak had 48k
Sephiroth/Marth had 54k

Sephiroth/Marth was BEFORE Missingno/Crono, but had similar votals.

It didn't increase them noticeably.

Hell, Leon/Vault Boy had higher votals than Soap/Big Daddy, and that was nowhere near Missingno.


Soap/Big Daddy had more votes than Sephiroth/Marth (Clinkeroth and a Nintendo character) despite being a fight of scrubs. Your argument is ludicrously wrong and you know it.


Explain Leon/Vault Boy having higher votals, then.


Leon Kennedy is a high midcarder that brings in a lot of votes and Vault Boy is a touch above the fodder line.

Soap/Big Daddy was a terrible scrubfight, and we've already seen what happens to the votals when we get those in the bonus match.

Spoilers: they f***ing tank. Ludicrous argument.
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#46 | Silverflash-x | Posted 8/19/2013 11:24:12 PM | message detail
I would like to say, for posterity:

Called it.
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#47 | Silverflash-x | Posted 8/19/2013 11:25:18 PM | message detail
LordoftheMorons posted...
If the rally doesn't result in sustained traffic it's useless to Bacon. And there's no way this is anywhere near legit; the rally was on the front page of the subreddit last time too, and the votals were nowhere near this insane.


The rally was never #1 on the subreddit though, and never received this much attention in terms of upvotes/downvotes.
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#48 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/19/2013 11:25:24 PM | message detail
lmao and all you guys counted him out

I had faith in Kanz. Always
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#49 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:26:44 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
lmao and all you guys counted him out

I had faith in Kanz. Always


The greatest tell that this was going to happen was probably me winning a testicle bet against Chris. The planets are out of orbit this year.
#50 | StealThisSheen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:26:52 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

Not how it works. Soap/Big Daddy had elevated totals for a night match after Crono/Missingno, which succeeded.


Soap/Big Daddy had 55k.
Yoshi/Jak had 48k
Sephiroth/Marth had 54k

Sephiroth/Marth was BEFORE Missingno/Crono, but had similar votals.

It didn't increase them noticeably.

Hell, Leon/Vault Boy had higher votals than Soap/Big Daddy, and that was nowhere near Missingno.


Soap/Big Daddy had more votes than Sephiroth/Marth (Clinkeroth and a Nintendo character) despite being a fight of scrubs. Your argument is ludicrously wrong and you know it.


Explain Leon/Vault Boy having higher votals, then.


Leon Kennedy is a high midcarder that brings in a lot of votes and Vault Boy is a touch above the fodder line.

Soap/Big Daddy was a terrible scrubfight, and we've already seen what happens to the votals when we get those in the bonus match.

Spoilers: they f***ing tank. Ludicrous argument.



...So, wait.

You say that the rally shot the totals on Soap/Big Daddy up

But then when presented with other matches that had votes higher than it that you say are just... Legit character strength (Leon/Vault Boy, Charizard/Duke Nukem, etc.)... You still insist rallies have THAT much of a lasting impact?

The "rally increase" of Soap/Big Daddy lost to the LEGIT result of Charizard/Duke Nukem and Leon/Vault Boy, meaning the "Rally increase" isn't nearly as big as you're trying to say it is.
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