Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1117

#301 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/19/2013 12:17:31 PM | message detail
And Aerith cuts.

Why the hell are people calling this? It doesn't look like Shep is going to go on a rampage.
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#302 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:17:31 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
this is like blaming Jinjo and Lucas on Kirby's throttling at the hands of Big Boss.

Isn't this common consensus though?


Big Boss nearly had 50% on the whole poll. Kirby would have gotten stomped regardless, just not around the level of a low midcarder.
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#303 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:17:34 PM | message detail
this is like blaming Jinjo and Lucas on Kirby's throttling at the hands of Big Boss.

Isn't this common consensus though?


It's doubtful that Kirby would have won 1v1

He'd do better though
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#304 | creativename | Posted 8/19/2013 12:18:18 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
this is like blaming Jinjo and Lucas on Kirby's throttling at the hands of Big Boss.

Isn't this common consensus though?

I thought the consensus was that Jinjo and Lucas were worthless, and Kirby lost to Big Boss on his own merits?
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#305 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:19:47 PM | message detail
That monster 50 vote cut just looks really out of place now. Aeris is chipping away again.
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#306 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:20:13 PM | message detail
Why would this be Shepard's best time? You do realize that Europe's the only thing keep Aeris in this, right? Shep's best time is going to be towards the end of the poll.
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#307 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/19/2013 12:20:19 PM | message detail
This isn't Shepard's best time. Europe doesn't really die off in these matches until 6 PM.
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#308 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/19/2013 12:21:23 PM | message detail
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Big Boss had a gigantic advantage, here.
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#309 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:21:53 PM | message detail
I don't think that Lucas and Jinjo LFFed Kirby as much as Big Boss overperformed because of "wtf is all this cutey **** *votes Big Boss" Basically the reverse of what Kirby did to everyone else the rest of the contest.

Also thought this was the common belief. Guess not!
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#310 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:22:16 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Why would this be Shepard's best time? You do realize that Europe's the only thing keep Aeris in this, right? Shep's best time is going to be towards the end of the poll.


It's not just about geolocation, it's also about trends. FF7 does better in the United States during the SNV. I wouldn't say Shepard is guaranteed to have his best time at the end of the poll at all.
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#311 | creativename | Posted 8/19/2013 12:22:57 PM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Magus is the antagonist for a good chunk of CT, so being optional wouldn't really matter anyway.

Also, assuming Shepard and X advance to R3, who would you take for second considering Link will likely SFF the tar out of X?

X got 32.72% on Link in 2010. He probably got SFFed, but he didn't die.

Shepard is probably around the 30% on Link level.

I think X would be a slight favorite against Shepard. Close though.

Is that a day or night match though? We know how terrible Mega Man is in Europe.
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#312 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:23:43 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
I don't think that Lucas and Jinjo LFFed Kirby as much as Big Boss overperformed because of "wtf is all this cutey **** *votes Big Boss" Basically the reverse of what Kirby did to everyone else the rest of the contest.

Also thought this was the common belief. Guess not!


Um, BB almost certainly woulda beat Kirby, with an old man pic, the very next round if it weren't for Raiden suddenly ninja-stabbing him in the back.
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#313 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/19/2013 12:23:53 PM | message detail
What KH said. I hope.
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#314 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:24:57 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...

It's not just about geolocation, it's also about trends. FF7 does better in the United States during the SNV. I wouldn't say Shepard is guaranteed to have his best time at the end of the poll at all.


I said towards the end of the poll. SNV will probably be slight edge Aeris but like 6-9pm EST is when Shep should start going to town on her.

That being said even with a slight edge in the US in that time she's losing the US by over 5% right now. I'm not sure she can turn that especially since I think Mass Effect's SNV is pretty good too.
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#315 | Xuxon | Posted 8/19/2013 12:25:03 PM | message detail
From: creativename | Posted: 8/19/2013 3:22:57 PM | #311
Is that a day or night match though? We know how terrible Mega Man is in Europe.

round 3 and on is 24 hours
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#316 | nkansas13 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:25:37 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Magus is the antagonist for a good chunk of CT, so being optional wouldn't really matter anyway.

Also, assuming Shepard and X advance to R3, who would you take for second considering Link will likely SFF the tar out of X?

X got 32.72% on Link in 2010. He probably got SFFed, but he didn't die.

Shepard is probably around the 30% on Link level.

I think X would be a slight favorite against Shepard. Close though.

Is that a day or night match though? We know how terrible Mega Man is in Europe.


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#317 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 12:26:28 PM | message detail
I agree with you Lopen. You could have put Kirby and Big Boss in a 1v1 a month later and I wouldn't have blinked twice if Kirby had won with 53% or something.

We're on a hardcore gaming site. I know this isn't the way we're used to evaluating these polls, but the truth is that a vast majority of the people here are familiar with AND have generally fond feelings toward all of the big name characters we throw on the front page (that includes Boss and Kirby). When you're familiar with and like both, then any simple thing can turn the advantage in a match. I voted for Big Boss that day. If it had been Boss/Dante/Chief/Kirby, I might have voted for Kirby. Pics and opposition can change so much. That's why multiway polls are crazy and NEED to be evaluated in a vacuum BEFORE you ever attempt to evaluate them in the grand scheme of things like you would in 1v1 matches that are almost always neutral.

And yes, once again, I realize it's LAME AS F*** to take this approach because it essentially renders entire contests meaningless from a stats point of view, BUT IT'S THE TRUTH. ACCEPT THE TRUTH OR I'LL STOP BEING YOUR FRIEND.
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#318 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:26:37 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

It's not just about geolocation, it's also about trends. FF7 does better in the United States during the SNV. I wouldn't say Shepard is guaranteed to have his best time at the end of the poll at all.


I said towards the end of the poll. SNV will probably be slight edge Aeris but like 6-9pm EST is when Shep should start going to town on her.

That being said even with a slight edge in the US in that time she's losing the US by over 5% right now. I'm not sure she can turn that especially since I think Mass Effect's SNV is pretty good too.


I'm not saying she should be favored - though ME's trends are a pretty big wild card as is, I don't think we have any evidence of a good SNV as is.

I'm saying maybe we shouldn't call this thing when they're still deadlocked at around like 50-60 votes. :/
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#319 | creativename | Posted 8/19/2013 12:26:47 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Lopen posted...
Why would this be Shepard's best time? You do realize that Europe's the only thing keep Aeris in this, right? Shep's best time is going to be towards the end of the poll.


It's not just about geolocation, it's also about trends. FF7 does better in the United States during the SNV. I wouldn't say Shepard is guaranteed to have his best time at the end of the poll at all.

Agreed, this is something I mention often. People overrate geolocation so much and ignore intra-country trends.

FF7 has greater strength in the US in the SNV than they do in the ASV. This has always been the case.

If Aeris has normal FF7 trends, she should do better with the SNV, though it's not guaranteed.
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#320 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/19/2013 12:30:01 PM | message detail
I voted for Big Boss that day and I don't even like Big Boss. I dislike him, actually. But he was pointing at me and I'm ambivalent about the others, so whatever.
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#321 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:30:27 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
I agree with you Lopen. You could have put Kirby and Big Boss in a 1v1 a month later and I wouldn't have blinked twice if Kirby had won with 53% or something.

We're on a hardcore gaming site. I know this isn't the way we're used to evaluating these polls, but the truth is that a vast majority of the people here are familiar with AND have generally fond feelings toward all of the big name characters we throw on the front page (that includes Boss and Kirby). When you're familiar with and like both, then any simple thing can turn the advantage in a match. I voted for Big Boss that day. If it had been Boss/Dante/Chief/Kirby, I might have voted for Kirby. Pics and opposition can change so much. That's why multiway polls are crazy and NEED to be evaluated in a vacuum BEFORE you ever attempt to evaluate them in the grand scheme of things like you would in 1v1 matches that are almost always neutral.

And yes, once again, I realize it's LAME AS F*** to take this approach because it essentially renders entire contests meaningless from a stats point of view, BUT IT'S THE TRUTH. ACCEPT THE TRUTH OR I'LL STOP BEING YOUR FRIEND.


I can respect this viewpoint, but Big Boss's R2 match would seem to contradict it heavily. BB put up 45.5% on Kirby despite Kirby having a huge match picture advantage (huge STF *and* Old Man Boss!!) and having Raiden leech him for everything he was worth. It's very hard to envision replacing Raiden with someone not-MGS and replacing Old Man Boss with Naked Snake, and see BB losing.
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#322 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:32:34 PM | message detail | (edited)
I agree geolocation is overstated but a 5% advantage in the US is nothing to turn your nose up at. Especially since I'm going to wager this one actually gets a bit more ugly in the US (based on Wrex vs Cecil) before the SNV hits.
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#323 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:33:49 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
I agree geolocation is overstated but a 5% advantage in the US is nothing to turn your nose up at. Especially since I'm going to wager this one actually gets a bit more ugly in the US (based on Wrex vs Cecil) before the SNV hits.


Cecil is very, very, very bad in the day. Pit is very lucky he didn't get him at night. Aeris should be worlds better (and indeed, at this very moment she continues to stall around that 50-60 vote range).
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#324 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/19/2013 12:33:54 PM | message detail
Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be SOTC vs. MGS2 all over again?
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#325 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/19/2013 12:35:09 PM | message detail
I think Shepard has more 'rally' power too. If it ends up close (I don't think it does, this is going to get worse for Aeris before it ever gets better), I doubt the Mass Effect fanbase lets Shepard lose. They care about him way more than FF7 fans care about Aeris.
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#326 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:36:15 PM | message detail
I dunno why I'm arguing this, I have Shepard and expected him to coast today. I guess I'm just feeling a bit alienated that I'm one of the few that considers this a really good match right now :(
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#327 | 2Dover3D | Posted 8/19/2013 12:37:50 PM | message detail
All you need to do is post onto 4chan that a FF7 character has a chance of losing and Shep will have no problem getting a rally.
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#328 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:38:31 PM | message detail
Oh.

Right.

lol Mewtwo :(
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#329 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:39:14 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
I agree geolocation is overstated but a 5% advantage in the US is nothing to turn your nose up at. Especially since I'm going to wager this one actually gets a bit more ugly in the US (based on Wrex vs Cecil) before the SNV hits.


This. Let us take a moment to remember that Squall needed a humongous continent-wide advantage in Europe over Auron to beat Auron winning by 2% in the US. Shep is looking solid here.
#330 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:39:45 PM | message detail
2Dover3D posted...
All you need to do is post onto 4chan that a FF7 character has a chance of losing and Shep will have no problem getting a rally.


Would be funny to see someone do this. I think you'd get Tharja boosting like whoa.
#331 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:40:02 PM | message detail
Cecil being very very bad in the day is kinda speculatory. He's always been against day vote characters and has never really completely rolled over against them.

Comparing Wrex to Pit also suggests that Mass Effect's day vote is decent since I think he made about as much strides with it as Pit did.
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#332 | AxemRedRanger (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/19/2013 12:42:02 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
2Dover3D posted...
All you need to do is post onto 4chan that a FF7 character has a chance of losing and Shep will have no problem getting a rally.


Would be funny to see someone do this. I think you'd get Tharja boosting like whoa.


Yeah this.

I mean, they rallied for Tharja in round 1 so...
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#333 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/19/2013 12:42:24 PM | message detail
To be fair, it's Pit. He could have a great day vote and it'd still look terrible because of how crazy his board vote is.
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#334 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:42:35 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Cecil being very very bad in the day is kinda speculatory. He's always been against day vote characters and has never really completely rolled over against them.

Comparing Wrex to Pit also suggests that Mass Effect's day vote is decent since I think he made about as much strides with it as Pit did.


It's imprecise to evaluate day only matches because the trends are much more muted. I wouldn't call Zack a real day vote character but Cecil still got rolled by him percentage-wise in their 24 hour match.
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#335 | superange128 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:44:56 PM | message detail
Do you guys think Garrus beats Sub Zero in a day or 24 match
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#336 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:45:04 PM | message detail
And there's Shep finally breaking 100. If he can continue stringing this together he's got a nice shot at putting this out of reach.
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#337 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:47:12 PM | message detail
Shepard goes over 100. I think he's the favorite because he should also have a strong SNV, but with such a small lead, it's too early to call this.
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#338 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:51:12 PM | message detail
Shep's going to be winning by like 1000 votes by the time the SNV comes imhhhho.

Aeris no chance to survive.
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#339 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 8/19/2013 12:51:25 PM | message detail
Whoa! We know it's a good match (or a Crono one) if it pulls Red Sox out of hibernation.
#340 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:52:16 PM | message detail
With regards to Crono/Zero, that was probably the worst Crono has ever looked in a match (no, losing to Missingno is not worse). If Crono weren't a Noble Niner, and the Noble Nine weren't 120-0 or something, Vincent would have been a big favorite for the next round.
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#341 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:52:41 PM | message detail
superange128 posted...
Do you guys think Garrus beats Sub Zero in a day or 24 match


No. Sub-Zero is NA strong as well, IIRC. No reason to think Garrus can thrash him so badly he loses.
#342 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/19/2013 12:53:35 PM | message detail
You say Crono enough times, red sox appears
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#343 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:55:46 PM | message detail
Also this scrambles what little I could gauge Wario/Red/Wrex even more for me. I expected Shep to be doing more than this to Aeris, but who knows how strong Wrex is in relation to that, where Red is, how much Wario will hurt, how much Wrex standing out SO MUCH is worth...
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#344 | creativename | Posted 8/19/2013 12:58:39 PM | message detail
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
You say Crono enough times, red sox appears

What happens if you turn off the lights in the bathroom and say "Crono" three times to the mirror?
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#345 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/19/2013 1:01:32 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
What happens if you turn off the lights in the bathroom and say "Crono" three times to the mirror?


a wild Pikachu appears
#346 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 1:01:46 PM | message detail
Shepard has now conquered Canada
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#347 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 1:01:57 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
With regards to Crono/Zero, that was probably the worst Crono has ever looked in a match (no, losing to Missingno is not worse). If Crono weren't a Noble Niner, and the Noble Nine weren't 120-0 or something, Vincent would have been a big favorite for the next round.


I also agree with this. People forget that the round beforehand Zero had failed to double HK-47. Heck, he did worse on him than Sora had done in 2004.
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#348 | red sox 777 | Posted 8/19/2013 1:03:14 PM | message detail
It is 1 PM on the West Coast, 4 PM on the East Coast, 9 PM in the UK, 10 PM in most of continental Europe, 4 AM in China and the Philippines, and 5 AM in Japan.

One thing Aeris has going for her is that Asia is going to wake up as Europe goes to sleep. Shepard just keeps on steadily gaining though- he's been gaining about 80/hr since the end of the 1st hour of the match.

I forgot who I took in this match, it turns out I took Shepard, but I want to see Aeris win. And just once, I'd like to see FFVII do a rally.
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#349 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/19/2013 1:05:32 PM | message detail
Damn, the vote totals got even better.

It might actually have a chance of getting more votes than the 2nd match of the contest that got over 37,000
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#350 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 1:05:57 PM | message detail
Aerith may have Asia, but they don't vote enough to have the same effect as Europe, even if it looks like they are supporting her more.
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