Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1117

#251 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/19/2013 11:45:51 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Honestly this looks better for FF7 to me than worse. I didn't even expect Aeris to be in the match, and she's built a case that she should be favored in a night or perhaps even a 24 hour poll.


You really expected her to lose to Rinoa of all people? o_O
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#252 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:46:04 AM | message detail
Using Chrom=Tharja Shepard is barely over 60% on The Boss

In comparison Luigi easily doubles her using WCC.
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#253 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 11:46:14 AM | message detail
Wrex and Mordin may beat Master Chief. Chief is a nothing now.
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#254 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:47:11 AM | message detail
Once again: Epona is legit.
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#255 | Xuxon | Posted 8/19/2013 11:47:29 AM | message detail
From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 8/19/2013 2:41:25 PM | #247
LinkMarioSamus posted...
More likely a combination of Aeris dropping and Shepard boosting.

He should be worth 55% on his 2010 self, at least.


If we peg Shep at around Ike's level in 2010, his 2010 xstat value gives about that number when you do comparisons. I...could believe this, honestly. Shep being 30% on BL legit now seems believable.

well, he kinda has to be at 30 to do this to Aeris. she might have dropped a bit but 29 is about the lowest i'd put Aeris.
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#256 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:47:34 AM | message detail
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You really expected her to lose to Rinoa of all people? o_O


you know what he meant, he expected Shepard to destroy her here
unless you're intentionally misreading it, in which case lol
#257 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 11:50:44 AM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
Using Chrom=Tharja Shepard is barely over 60% on The Boss

In comparison Luigi easily doubles her using WCC.


Boss is underrated more than a touch in 2010 (she's real bad in the day), but she also might be stronger now, I'd like to wait and see on her before making any judgments.

Edit: Though I think the Chrom poll and her next match are day matches anyway, so hopefully it'll roughly line up.
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#258 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/19/2013 11:49:00 AM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
GloryChaos posted...
You really expected her to lose to Rinoa of all people? o_O


you know what he meant, he expected Shepard to destroy her here
unless you're intentionally misreading it, in which case lol


Yeah, I misunderstood him. My fault.
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#259 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/19/2013 11:50:02 AM | message detail
Auron scored 57% against Aeris and 56% against Zero in 2010. Do you guys really believe Shepard is nearly as strong as 2010 Zero?

I highly doubt so, this is probably a combination of Aeris dropping and a decent ME3 boost.
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#260 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 11:51:33 AM | message detail
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Auron scored 57% against Aeris and 56% against Zero in 2010. Do you guys really believe Shepard is nearly as strong as 2010 Zero?

I highly doubt so, this is probably a combination of Aeris dropping and a decent ME3 boost.


Zero's not that good, not anymore.
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#261 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 11:52:09 AM | message detail
It's possible. We need to remember that the ME series playrate is much higher now than it was in early 2010. Most of the big ME fans on the board now hadn't even touched the series when Shep faced Pikachu, and he still managed a good performance.

btw, played the original back in 2007 yeaaaaaaaaaaaa superior
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#262 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:52:36 AM | message detail
Boss is underrated more than a touch in 2010 (she's real bad in the day), but she also might be stronger now, I'd like to wait and see on her before making any judgments.

It's possible and Luigi probably wins in this match too, I'm just more surprised on how well Tharja is doing, she may be a fan favourite, but I did not expect her to be close to Chrom/Lucina

Maybe just being a Nintendo option against two characters far from Nintendo helps.
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#263 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:53:44 AM | message detail
Zero almost lost to Vivi and lost to Hayabusa, he hasn't looked good since 2003/2004
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#264 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:54:23 AM | message detail
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Boss is underrated more than a touch in 2010 (she's real bad in the day), but she also might be stronger now, I'd like to wait and see on her before making any judgments.

It's possible and Luigi probably wins in this match too, I'm just more surprised on how well Tharja is doing, she may be a fan favourite, but I did not expect her to be close to Chrom/Lucina

Maybe just being a Nintendo option against two characters far from Nintendo helps.


how many Nintendo fans would even know Tharja is a Nintendo character in the first place
after all, Awakening was released in 2013 in America
#265 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/19/2013 11:54:38 AM | message detail
FF7 never got worse. Nintendo's fanbase in general got bigger.
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#266 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/19/2013 11:55:15 AM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 8/19/2013 2:41:25 PM | #247
LinkMarioSamus posted...
More likely a combination of Aeris dropping and Shepard boosting.

He should be worth 55% on his 2010 self, at least.


If we peg Shep at around Ike's level in 2010, his 2010 xstat value gives about that number when you do comparisons. I...could believe this, honestly. Shep being 30% on BL legit now seems believable.

well, he kinda has to be at 30 to do this to Aeris. she might have dropped a bit but 29 is about the lowest i'd put Aeris.


Yeah, but the point I'm making is that Shep's 2010 value was BS. He was most emphatically not a character who was worth 30% on BL, he was closer to a guy like Ike. He boosted a bunch and seems real now.
#267 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:56:15 AM | message detail
how many Nintendo fans would even know Tharja is a Nintendo character in the first place
after all, Awakening was released in 2013 in America


Awakening is considered one of the games to buy for the 3DS, not all Nintendo fans will know her, but anyone that has played the game likely has.
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#268 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 11:57:20 AM | message detail
He got 47% on Crono back in 2007; that was a damn good showing. The Hayabusa match should be thrown out. Zero would throttle him in a 1v1.
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#269 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 11:57:49 AM | message detail
I think at this point Tharja, Vincent, Wrex, etc. have proved that being optional is almost meaningless when it comes to your popularity on GameFAQs. That's why people come here. It wouldn't hurt Mog in the slightest either, I'd bet almost anything.
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#270 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/19/2013 11:58:25 AM | message detail
You know who else is optional? MAGUS
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#271 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 11:58:55 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
He got 47% on Crono back in 2007; that was a damn good showing. The Hayabusa match should be thrown out. Zero would throttle him in a 1v1.


The Crono match is a textbook fraud showing caused by the match picture, as Zero's next year (losing cleanly to Hayabusa and practically losing to Vivi) showed.
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#272 | swordz9 | Posted 8/19/2013 11:59:17 AM | message detail
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FF7 never got worse. Nintendo's fanbase in general got bigger.

That doesn't really hold up for Cloud and Vincent looking bad. Ok yeah Dunban is Nintendo, but Xenoblade was such a colossal flop in this contest that it doesn't matter.
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#273 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/19/2013 11:59:19 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
You know who else is optional? MAGUS


Yeah, but people bullied you if you actually missed him.
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#274 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 11:59:35 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
You know who else is optional? MAGUS


That's right, he's just that bad based on pure talent.
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#275 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:00:27 PM | message detail
He got 47% on Crono back in 2007; that was a damn good showing. The Hayabusa match should be thrown out. Zero would throttle him in a 1v1.

Forgot about that match. Zero would easily win over Hayabusa today, but he did have strength back then.

To me Zero seems to be one step below the near-elites now.
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#276 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:00:49 PM | message detail
This match gives me some much needed reassurance for Vincent....whew....
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#277 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:00:58 PM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
The_Djoker posted...
FF7 never got worse. Nintendo's fanbase in general got bigger.

That doesn't really hold up for Cloud and Vincent looking bad. Ok yeah Dunban is Nintendo, but Xenoblade was such a colossal flop in this contest that it doesn't matter.


Aeris looked bad last round too. She's currently less than 100 votes away from post-ME2 (PS3)/ME3 Shepard.
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#278 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 12:01:11 PM | message detail
It wasn't a "clean" loss to Hayabusa, are you kidding me?
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#279 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/19/2013 12:02:13 PM | message detail
Zero overperforming on Crono seems far more likely than taking that result as the gospel, considering his performances since 06.

He's a long way away from the guy who once made Sonic sweat and put up 44% on MM.
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#280 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:02:27 PM | message detail
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It wasn't a "clean" loss to Hayabusa, are you kidding me?


He'd have lost AGAIN if Hayabusa hadn't run into Snake. The 'Nintendo LFF' theory in that match is nonsense, it was Hayabusa folding to Snake. See: 2007.
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#281 | Xuxon | Posted 8/19/2013 12:02:45 PM | message detail
15% update for Tharja, ASV is here and Aeris isn't dropping much</wishful thinking>
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#282 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/19/2013 12:03:06 PM | message detail
Reminder: Rinoa is going to be below Olimar in the Chester-Stats.
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#283 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:03:36 PM | message detail
Though Zero did look quite good last round, too bad he wasn't given a match against someone like Dante to test if he's bottom of near-elite or top of high midcarder
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#284 | swordz9 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:03:49 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
swordz9 posted...
The_Djoker posted...
FF7 never got worse. Nintendo's fanbase in general got bigger.

That doesn't really hold up for Cloud and Vincent looking bad. Ok yeah Dunban is Nintendo, but Xenoblade was such a colossal flop in this contest that it doesn't matter.


Aeris looked bad last round too. She's currently less than 100 votes away from post-ME2 (PS3)/ME3 Shepard.

Before this match I thought she was a lock for R3 and that Shepard had literally 0 chance of beating her so this just makes me think she's weaker to be losing.
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#285 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/19/2013 12:04:43 PM | message detail
Give me a f***ing break if you're willing to say that Zero overperformed in some match because of picture advantage and then won't even acknowledge Hayabusa's insaaaaaaane pic advantage in 2008.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb7/cb7-19.jpg

It really doesn't get any bigger than that. And there's nothing asinine about Zero being informally a part of the Nintendo family. He's just as big a part of it as MM and X.
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#286 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:04:51 PM | message detail
Reminder: Rinoa is going to be below Olimar in the Chester-Stats.

Olimar was underrated (plus female Shepard), do wonder if Rinoa was SFF, Seifer looked pretty bad too.
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#287 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/19/2013 12:05:54 PM | message detail
Adding on to what yo said, Zero (and everyone from the Mega Man series) just looked weaker in 4-ways. They've rebounded since then.
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#288 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/19/2013 12:06:13 PM | message detail
Magus is the antagonist for a good chunk of CT, so being optional wouldn't really matter anyway.

Also, assuming Shepard and X advance to R3, who would you take for second considering Link will likely SFF the tar out of X?
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#289 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/19/2013 12:07:08 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I think at this point Tharja, Vincent, Wrex, etc. have proved that being optional is almost meaningless when it comes to your popularity on GameFAQs. That's why people come here. It wouldn't hurt Mog in the slightest either, I'd bet almost anything.


I'd agree. Though I still think Tharja's the weakest of the FE characters - I'd easily take all three of Chrom, Lucina and Lyndis to smash the scrubs that she got.
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#290 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:08:01 PM | message detail
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Give me a f***ing break if you're willing to say that Zero overperformed in some match because of picture advantage and then won't even acknowledge Hayabusa's insaaaaaaane pic advantage in 2008.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb7/cb7-19.jpg

It really doesn't get any bigger than that. And there's nothing asinine about Zero being informally a part of the Nintendo family. He's just as big a part of it as MM and X.


There's far more independence there. That's why MMX was able to nearly beat Mario. Not to mention the general worthlessness of the competition - this is like blaming Jinjo and Lucas on Kirby's throttling at the hands of Big Boss.

Not to mention that picture gives an advantage to Ryu H, yes-

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-40.jpg

But this is preposterous beyond all comparison. You can't even SEE anyone except Zero when you first look at it.
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#291 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/19/2013 12:08:25 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Adding on to what yo said, Zero (and everyone from the Mega Man series) just looked weaker in 4-ways. They've rebounded since then.


It's funny to say that when that performance on Crono is by far the best Zero has looked since 04.
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#292 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/19/2013 12:08:46 PM | message detail
Well this is over. Happy Aerith managed to show up though! Would've had a night match I think.
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#293 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/19/2013 12:10:28 PM | message detail
Don't give up hope! Aeris would never want us to give up hope! If only Bacon hadn't chosen to do a bonus poll.......
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#294 | creativename | Posted 8/19/2013 12:11:02 PM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
Before this match I thought she was a lock for R3 and that Shepard had literally 0 chance of beating her so this just makes me think she's weaker to be losing.

Shepard was a significant guru/BOP favorite and also the slight Oracle favorite...so clearly you were not on the wavelength of anybody else.
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#295 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:11:29 PM | message detail
The pic for the Vivi match was also pretty even (advantage slightly Zero, if anything), and he still almost lost. Vivi is not worth 47% on Crono.
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#296 | creativename | Posted 8/19/2013 12:15:03 PM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
Don't give up hope! Aeris would never want us to give up hope! If only Bacon hadn't chosen to do a bonus poll.......

LUUUSSSTTTERRRRRRRR!!!

(well we probably would've had a dumb bonus poll anyway)
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#297 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/19/2013 12:15:34 PM | message detail
Also I can't believe so many people are calling this! Trends or not, uh, at least wait for it to get above 100 votes?
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#298 | Xuxon | Posted 8/19/2013 12:16:25 PM | message detail
From: creativename | Posted: 8/19/2013 3:15:03 PM | #296
Denzokuken posted...
Don't give up hope! Aeris would never want us to give up hope! If only Bacon hadn't chosen to do a bonus poll.......

LUUUSSSTTTERRRRRRRR!!!

(well we probably would've had a dumb bonus poll anyway)

yeah, that was decided on well in advance, when the brackets opened
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#299 | Lopen | Posted 8/19/2013 12:16:38 PM | message detail
this is like blaming Jinjo and Lucas on Kirby's throttling at the hands of Big Boss.

Isn't this common consensus though?
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#300 | creativename | Posted 8/19/2013 12:17:19 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Also I can't believe so many people are calling this! Trends or not, uh, at least wait for it to get above 100 votes?

Yeah this match is very up in the air right now. Shepard is a slight favorite maybe...but not much of one.

This should be the best time for him and he's not really doing much. If Aeris can get the traditional FF7 SNV (which is not guaranteed, as her trends may be different), then Aeris can pull a comeback even if she falls behind by 200-250 votes.

It's unclear if Shepard will ever lead by that much anyway.
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