Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1114

#401 | Achromatic | Posted 8/17/2013 9:17:37 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
ChenKenichiFan posted...
DKCR came out after the last Character Battle, right? Makes sense that the big ape would enjoy a nice boost. It sold millions and was very well received.


I'm still very much against a Donkey Kong boost. I'm convinced this is Lightning's weakness.


Yes, because literally every other icon looking far more legit than ever before would be excepted for DK.
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#402 | pjbasis | Posted 8/17/2013 9:17:38 AM | message detail
Everyone's happy Nintendo is invincible, good job guys!
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#403 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/17/2013 9:17:42 AM | message detail
Best Birthday Ever

luckily, if previous wtf results matches are any indication, 99% of the Expert leaderboard will pick the same thing and very few positions will change
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#404 | paulg235 | Posted 8/17/2013 9:17:43 AM | message detail
DK is still tripling Falco.
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#405 | ZFS | Posted 8/17/2013 9:18:20 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
DKCR came out after the last Character Battle, right? Makes sense that the big ape would enjoy a nice boost. It sold millions and was very well received.


Yep. It sold 5 million copies and got big positive reception. It was one if the things I was arguing would help DK here. It's his first real game since these contests started that could have boosted him. And then DKCR2 is coming out soon.
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#406 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/17/2013 9:18:28 AM | message detail
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LET ME REMIND YOU: Link can do this exact same thing to Mario.


Well, of course, counting on the rigged final was a bad idea. Snake is going to win by being better than Link
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#407 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/17/2013 9:18:56 AM | message detail
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Everyone's happy Nintendo is invincible, good job guys!


You realize the alternatives are another Nintendo character and a Square character that symbolizes everything wrong with SE this generation, right?
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#408 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/17/2013 9:19:00 AM | message detail
I'm really worried about Pikachu > Crono now. Wolf and Falco just died in this format. Magus may be meaningless in that match. Hmm.
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#409 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/17/2013 9:19:04 AM | message detail
#410 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/17/2013 9:19:07 AM | message detail
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So is there a reason why so many people were certain of a Lightning victory?


She's a great character from the best game of the generation. I guess gamefaqs just wasn't ready for her.
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#411 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/17/2013 9:19:40 AM | message detail
I loved DKCR. It's given me the only legitimate reason I've had to vote for DK since Donkey Kong 64!
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#412 | Kibago | Posted 8/17/2013 9:19:49 AM | message detail
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DK>Charizard>Zelda

This is his year


i would burn my bracket with glee for Donkey Kong to win this division
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#413 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/17/2013 9:19:52 AM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
ChenKenichiFan posted...
DKCR came out after the last Character Battle, right? Makes sense that the big ape would enjoy a nice boost. It sold millions and was very well received.


I'm still very much against a Donkey Kong boost. I'm convinced this is Lightning's weakness.


Yes, because literally every other icon looking far more legit than ever before would be excepted for DK.


I had Lightning weak to begin with. DK SFFing Falco more than expected doesn't change that.

'Icons' are only getting by on recognizability, too. You're going to see how bad chumps like Crash and Spyro look when they get dismantled next round against characters people actually like.
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#414 | swordz9 | Posted 8/17/2013 9:20:06 AM | message detail
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Everyone's happy Nintendo is invincible, good job guys!

I am not happy since I don't give a damn about DK at all.
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#415 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/17/2013 9:20:07 AM | message detail
I knew Lightning would ****ing suck. I ****ing knew it.

Should have stuck with my gut and picked DK, regardless of Falco.
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#416 | White_Tiger | Posted 8/17/2013 9:20:07 AM | message detail
People hate FFXIII , after all. Easily the most hated entry in the main series, and Lightning is suffering the consequences
#417 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/17/2013 9:20:15 AM | message detail
DKCR is just about the perfect game to provide a boost, though. Apart from Smash, DK was an invisible icon relegated to music games. DKCR reinvigorated his series after a decade of dormancy, it sold millions (really a killer seller for Nintendo), and was received almost universal praise from critics and fans. I know it's on the Wii, but the recipe for a boost is still there.
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#418 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/17/2013 9:20:20 AM | message detail
So does this make Master Chief the biggest choker now or does 2007 still keep him above DK?
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#419 | RockMFR | Posted 8/17/2013 9:21:30 AM | message detail
I don't think this really says anything unexpected about Lightning. She's not going up against fodder. This is all about Falco sucking, which is pretty good evidence IMO of the Smash Bros factor getting weaker.
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#420 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/17/2013 9:21:51 AM | message detail
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DKCR is just about the perfect game to provide a boost, though. Apart from Smash, DK was an invisible icon relegated to music games. DKCR reinvigorated his series after a decade of dormancy, it sold millions (really a killer seller for Nintendo), and was received almost universal praise from critics and fans. I know it's on the Wii, but the recipe for a boost is still there.


In theory, but given DK's status I lean heavily against it. No way we're gonna be able to verify it anyway unless a miracle happens next round.

And as we all know, the miracle never happen
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#421 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/17/2013 9:22:02 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
So does this make Master Chief the biggest choker now or does 2007 still keep him above DK?


2005 keeps him above DK.
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#422 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/17/2013 9:22:07 AM | message detail
I think it's Chief now. Chief has burned a lot more brackets than Donkey Kong.
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#423 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/17/2013 9:22:15 AM | message detail
And let's remember, people, this is with Falco in the poll. This is with Lightning dressed as Cloud. This is with a bracket/seeding advantage. Can you IMAGINE how embarrassing this would be in a normal 1 v 1 situation?
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#424 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/17/2013 9:23:31 AM | message detail
Should've been catgirl Lightning

people might have confused her with Krystal or something

not sure if that would've been better or worse
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#425 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/17/2013 9:23:41 AM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Denzokuken posted...
Lightning put up 36% on Sonic without a game to her name... I doubt she loses to DK or comes close. She should be flop of the round if she loses this.


If Lightning loses this she might be the biggest bomb since Gordon 2002.


I'll take Kerrigan 2005.


Kerrigan was up against a character with actual strength. Gordon 2002 lost to a character that has yet to return to the field--and who, as a result, is technically on the list of "characters who have never lost in Round 1".

Including the Villains Contest and Rivalry Rumble, there have been 11 contests. Nobody has competed in Round 1 of all 11 of them, because the only characters that were in both CBI and the Villains contest are Sephiroth and CATS, the former of which spent a couple of years retired from the main bracket and the latter of which missed CBVIII and Rivalry Rumble.

Seven characters have 10-0 records in Round 1. Not surprisingly, four of these are Noble Niners--Mega Man, Samus, Sonic, and Snake (Crono's only 8-2, and the other four spent at least one year retired from the main bracket). The other three are Dante, Ryu, and Bowser (who wasn't in CBI but was in the Villains Contest).

Three characters are 9-0: Sephiroth, Mario, and Luigi.

Four are 8-0: Cloud and Link of course, as the two who were out of the main bracket for two years and aren't villains, and also Auron and Yoshi.

Only Zelda is 7-0. Sub-Zero and Vincent are 6-0; Amaterasu and Tifa are 5-0; L-Block and Mega Man X are 4-0.

It's once you get down to the ones with 3 or fewer appearances that the "WTF?" starts. Altair, Red, Vergil, and the Weighted Companion Cube are all 3-0. Vergil hasn't actually won a match in a proper character battle, but he came in second in a fourway to advance to round 2 in 2007, and he went to the second round in both the Villains Contest and Rivalry Rumble.

8 characters have 2 contests, although one of them has yet to actually have his second R1 match. (Charizard.) This group includes three guys whose debuts were Rivalry Rumble (Dracula, Gilgamesh, and Blue) and one who has never been in a proper Character Battle (Dr. Wily). Also, one who would be disqualified from the list if losing in a vote-in counts (Mudkip).

32 characters are 1-0 in Round 1 matches, although two of them have lost in vote-ins at least once before (Bayonetta and Yoshimitsu). A breakdown of which contest their one match was in:

2002: 4
Villains: 4
2006 (Female Bracket): 1
2007: 1
2008: 3
Rivalry Rumble: 7
2013: 12

Yeah, 12 newbies advanced to Round 2 this year. Good for them.
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#426 | swordz9 | Posted 8/17/2013 9:23:54 AM | message detail
Being dressed like Cloud when he gets a ton of anti-votes doesn't sound like a positive thing. People aren't dumb enough to vote for a look alike without knowing/liking the character.
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#427 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/17/2013 9:24:06 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
And let's remember, people, this is with Falco in the poll. This is with Lightning dressed as Cloud. This is with a bracket/seeding advantage. Can you IMAGINE how embarrassing this would be in a normal 1 v 1 situation?


Seriously, DK could be winning easily with only half of this SFF on Falco. He's really going bananas HAHAHAHA
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#428 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/17/2013 9:24:33 AM | message detail
Let's get Hope Estheim into the next contest.
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#429 | ZFS | Posted 8/17/2013 9:24:42 AM | message detail
Yeah, DK would be winning pretty easy 1v1. Always thought he would. Glad I stuck with him
here, though!
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#430 | Kibago | Posted 8/17/2013 9:25:08 AM | message detail
Terra against Cloud-Lightning next contest, please. It's the closest FF6 can get to beating FF7!
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#431 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/17/2013 9:25:13 AM | message detail
Bah, was so tempted to have DK in my expert pick.. and I just made top 10 on the leaderboard ;_; I hope not too many people ahead of me had DK winning here.
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#432 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/17/2013 9:25:50 AM | message detail
Kibago posted...
Terra against Cloud-Lightning next contest, please. It's the closest FF6 can get to beating FF7!


We saw FFVI beat FFVII earlier this round!
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#433 | squexa | Posted 8/17/2013 9:26:13 AM | message detail
It's kinda weird how two of the biggest upsets this round have been by Kefka and DK.
#434 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/17/2013 9:26:16 AM | message detail
Oh, and I realize this is obvious and no one cares, but today's match officially buries any hope I had in Nathan Drake > Blue. There is every reason to believe that Blue can do even worse things to G&W than we're seeing happen to Falco.

So long bracket

And curse your freakin' FUN ACCOUNT from keeping me out of the #1 spot, Carvey.
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#435 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/17/2013 9:26:41 AM | message detail
Man, people really don't care about Star Fox, do they.
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#436 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/17/2013 9:26:52 AM | message detail
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LET ME REMIND YOU: Link can do this exact same thing to Mario.


Well, of course, counting on the rigged final was a bad idea. Snake is going to win by being better than Link


Link isn't making it to the finals this year, courtesy of Luigi.
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#437 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/17/2013 9:27:20 AM | message detail
Magus is gonna look so so bad.
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#438 | Achromatic | Posted 8/17/2013 9:27:38 AM | message detail
Oh, and yeah.

Pikachu might be in some trouble, guys.
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#439 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/17/2013 9:27:47 AM | message detail
By the way

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3254

This dude beat Glados? Ike>Epona>Glados confirmed
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#440 | Kibago | Posted 8/17/2013 9:28:29 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Oh, and I realize this is obvious and no one cares, but today's match officially buries any hope I had in Nathan Drake > Blue. There is every reason to believe that Blue can do even worse things to G&W than we're seeing happen to Falco.

So long bracket

And curse your freakin' FUN ACCOUNT from keeping me out of the #1 spot, Carvey.


more like every Smash-only character deboosted to fodder-tier and Blue's actually not worth anything at all!

(I don't want this, but it would be hilarious)
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#441 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/17/2013 9:28:40 AM | message detail
Pikachu's desperate hope at this point is that Crono can't take the SFF hammer to Magus because CT SFF isn't as severe these days or Magus gets a quote/picture boost or... something. Because this is making the fanbase split look awful, and it's pretty well established at this point that he's not stronger than Crono (should be).
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#442 | pjbasis | Posted 8/17/2013 9:29:00 AM | message detail
I know you're not happy swordz.
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#443 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/17/2013 9:29:47 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
By the way

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3254

This dude beat Glados? Ike>Epona>Glados confirmed


This poll and Falco bombing makes Vincent look a little better since Vinny looked kinda bad relative to Falco in that poll, too...!
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#444 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/17/2013 9:30:29 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
By the way

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3254

This dude beat Glados? Ike>Epona>Glados confirmed


That wasn't GLaDOS. That was some white blob that nobody recognized. Gladdy would neurotoxin Falco so bad in 2013.
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#445 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/17/2013 9:31:14 AM | message detail
woah, what the hell DK.
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#446 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/17/2013 9:32:01 AM | message detail
#447 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/17/2013 9:32:41 AM | message detail
Falco is STILL falling somehow how is this happening
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#448 | paulg235 | Posted 8/17/2013 9:32:48 AM | message detail
Pikachu should still be able to win its. Lightning's only match prior to this was a pre-release respectable loss to Sonic whereas we have grown very familiar with what Pikachu is capable of doing in these contests.
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#449 | swordz9 | Posted 8/17/2013 9:32:52 AM | message detail
Man how is Falco this bad. He should be thrashing DK.
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#450 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/17/2013 9:33:06 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
ChenKenichiFan posted...
DKCR came out after the last Character Battle, right? Makes sense that the big ape would enjoy a nice boost. It sold millions and was very well received.


I'm still very much against a Donkey Kong boost. I'm convinced this is Lightning's weakness.


What actually happened:

Donkey Kong Country Returns's playrate is probably pretty low on this site, probably even lower than Final Fantasy XIII...but the sheer fact that DK got his first major game in years helps out his respect level anyway. So many FFXIII players who were disappointed in the game throw their vote to DK because they heard that he has been resurrected.

Well that's just what I think.
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