Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1113

#251 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 5:19:50 AM | message detail
Wheatley is a completely untested character and WCC's bomb doesn't have jack to do with Portal. GlaDOS is the year-to-year barometer.
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#252 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 5:21:03 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Nanis23 posted...
I hate this division
0 points so far thanks to first place +3 and then -3 for second and third place
If Claptrao finish second I finally get +6 but this is so close he might bomb it
And tommorow I believe RDR guy will suck and easy +6 but everything can happen and he might be considered a hidden beast that sadly got matched with Zelda
At least DK>Falco and Riku>Nier are locks


I didn't even give a second thought to Marston vs. Sackboy and just assumed that Marston had it. Probably not a great idea, but I find it hard to deem Marston a "Generic McDude" even though he probably should be. To be fair however, last time we saw anything LBP in action it was a loss to Grand Theft Auto III - since Marston is also associated with the same company as GTA, he probably has it.

And...I THINK Red Dead Redemption should be able to avoid the anti-votes that GTA entrants get, but who knows. Also post-PS1 Sony mascots haven't really done well this contest (Ratchet did worse against Altair than the 2010 stats suggest, Nathan Drake struggled against Pac-Man, Kratos disappointed). And Kratos Aurion's flop isn't making Sackboy look good.

Red Dead Redemption should be a good deal more well-known and well-liked than LittleBigPlanet methinks. Also we already saw a Sony platformer character lose to a current-gen open-world game protagonist.


It's hard for me to have faith in Rockstar right now given that everything they've done bombs around here. GTA looked like complete ass this contest and Max Payne sunk to the unthinkable low in losing to Guybrush. Marston could be the exception that proves the rule, but I'm still liking Sackboy for now.
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#253 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/16/2013 5:26:48 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Also, man the font for these pics is awful.


I like that Bacon actually used CL4P-TP for Claptrap in the match pic.
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#254 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 5:38:58 AM | message detail
Ultimaphazon posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Also, man the font for these pics is awful.


I like that Bacon actually used CL4P-TP for Claptrap in the match pic.


I noticed that, too.
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#255 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/16/2013 5:42:13 AM | message detail
Cube would be doing so much people if people didn't think they were voting for CUDE instead!
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#256 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 5:45:05 AM | message detail
I still wish it was the Klaptrap from Donkey Kong Country.
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#257 | StarStormScream | Posted 8/16/2013 6:12:37 AM | message detail
Whoa now, people think that Tharja would beat Lyndis? C'mon now. I know it was forever ago, but people did try, albeit unsuccessfully, to get her in the Female bracket back then. Plus being the main character of the first arc of the game certainly help make her memorable for FE fans. Not to mention Tharja is optional and has zero story relevance.
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#258 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 6:16:21 AM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Nanis23 posted...
I hate this division
0 points so far thanks to first place +3 and then -3 for second and third place
If Claptrao finish second I finally get +6 but this is so close he might bomb it
And tommorow I believe RDR guy will suck and easy +6 but everything can happen and he might be considered a hidden beast that sadly got matched with Zelda
At least DK>Falco and Riku>Nier are locks


I didn't even give a second thought to Marston vs. Sackboy and just assumed that Marston had it. Probably not a great idea, but I find it hard to deem Marston a "Generic McDude" even though he probably should be. To be fair however, last time we saw anything LBP in action it was a loss to Grand Theft Auto III - since Marston is also associated with the same company as GTA, he probably has it.

And...I THINK Red Dead Redemption should be able to avoid the anti-votes that GTA entrants get, but who knows. Also post-PS1 Sony mascots haven't really done well this contest (Ratchet did worse against Altair than the 2010 stats suggest, Nathan Drake struggled against Pac-Man, Kratos disappointed). And Kratos Aurion's flop isn't making Sackboy look good.

Red Dead Redemption should be a good deal more well-known and well-liked than LittleBigPlanet methinks. Also we already saw a Sony platformer character lose to a current-gen open-world game protagonist.


It's hard for me to have faith in Rockstar right now given that everything they've done bombs around here. GTA looked like complete ass this contest and Max Payne sunk to the unthinkable low in losing to Guybrush. Marston could be the exception that proves the rule, but I'm still liking Sackboy for now.


Red Dead Redemption gets a lot less hate than anything else Rockstar has made this generation. Also Marston shouldn't suffer from Generic McDude syndrome AS MUCH.

You have a point though. Problem is, it's even harder to have faith in post-PS1 Sony.
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#259 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 6:21:15 AM | message detail
StarStormScream posted...
Whoa now, people think that Tharja would beat Lyndis? C'mon now. I know it was forever ago, but people did try, albeit unsuccessfully, to get her in the Female bracket back then. Plus being the main character of the first arc of the game certainly help make her memorable for FE fans. Not to mention Tharja is optional and has zero story relevance.


Hmmm... On that note, I'd at least expect Lyn to easily mop the floor with the scrubs that Tharja got stuck with, especially after seeing Travis and other Western characters stink it up.
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#260 | Luis_Sera89 | Posted 8/16/2013 6:41:11 AM | message detail
Travis is a Japanese character.
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#261 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 6:44:43 AM | message detail
Technically correct, but his game flopped in Japan and was made with a Western audience in mind anyway.

Then again, you know what other Japanese series is way more successful in the West than in Japan? Zelda.
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#262 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 6:44:55 AM | message detail
Luis_Sera89 posted...
Travis is a Japanese character.


Okay. But he still stunk, losing to Recette, whom most of us probably never expected to even be in contention for second.
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#263 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 6:46:10 AM | message detail
Zelda's still pretty successful in Japan. Metroid would have been a better example
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#264 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 6:47:07 AM | message detail
If Travis was a Generic McDude I would have picked Recette for second without hesitation. But I couldn't imagine...

...that's it! GameFAQs hates lightsabers!

Or not, considering Zero.
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#265 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 6:48:39 AM | message detail
If I would have known Recette was some 4chan icon or something, I probably would have backed Recette in my Expert Challenge.
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#266 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 6:59:38 AM | message detail | (edited)
Then00bAvenger posted...
Zelda's still pretty successful in Japan. Metroid would have been a better example


True. I also heard that 3D Mario is way more popular in the West than in Japan, but that's more because the N64 and GameCube flopped in Japan vs. being somewhat successful in the rest of the world. The N64 was less successful than the Saturn in Japan, that's how bad it was.

I agree that Metroid would have been a better example. I was simply trying to think of the most popular series on this site that fits the description of being a Japanese series more popular in the West, so Zelda was picked.

Golden Sun is also more popular in the West.

Non-Nintendo examples include Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, and Dead Rising. I also heard that Final Fantasy VI and Mother 3 are generally more well-liked in the West.

Back to Marston vs. Sackboy, I find it hard to trust Sackboy since I don't hear about his games nearly as often as I did in 2008-2011, and Sackboy's humongous seeding drop shows it (he was a 6 seed last contest). And again, while it's true that every Rockstar character in the contest finished in dead last in their match, it's not like post-PS1 Sony mascots have lit the world on fire either. I know I cited examples earlier, but I'll take a more in-depth look:

-Jak only 55-45'd Chie Satonaka, a Persona 4 character. Persona 4's main character was blown out by Shadow the Hedgehog.
-Nathan Drake struggled with Pac-Man.
-Kratos did worse than most of us expected and struggled to double Recette Lemongrass.

The most telling example, however, is that Ratchet did worse against Altair than the 2010 stats suggest despite Altair being supplanted within his own series' hierarchy (though Ratchet has also gone on a downward slide since then - in 2010 he was coming off a game widely hailed by fans as one of the best in the series in A Crack in Time, and since then he has only gotten All 4 One and Full Frontal Assault, yawn). Marston vs. Sackboy is also the same set-up, in so far as current-gen open world game protagonist vs. Sony mascot. Furthermore, both characters didn't put up impressive numbers on Shulk (or at least Ratchet didn't), and other characters from Shulk's game were terrible fodder.

I think Sackboy should be really weak. Quite frankly, Sackboy is more generic than Marston.
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#267 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/16/2013 6:56:18 AM | message detail
Match LXXVIII: (8) ? Block vs. (11) Lyndis vs. (20) Rikku

Previous Contest

? Block – N/A
N/A

Lyndis – N/A
N/A

Rikku – 2010
42.47% against Kirby

Analysis

The board has tried to get a non-Smash Bros. Fire Emblem character for a while now and Lyndis has been the character they have tried. It is doubtful that they have any strength and after watching Chrom lose to The Boss it is unlikely that Lyndis does any better. While to a lot of people Lyndis was their first taste of Fire Emblem I feel Chrom will be a bit stronger. Awakening has gotten several decent reviews and seems to have brought more people into the series. On the other hand Lyndis has not had a proper appearance since the first North American Fire Emblem.

Rikku is one of those characters that has decent strength, but has yet to be given the bracket placement to be able to do something with it until this year. It is hard to gauge a joke character, but Rikku has set the bar quite high. Final Fantasy X characters have looked decent this contest, the only issue for Rikku is that this is a day match while she went up against Kirby at night.

The main reason ? Block has so much support is its performance at the bonus poll where it easily won over L-Block right after L-Block won the entire contest. Should ? Block have that kind of power it should have no issue winning over Rikku, even using 2010 L-Block, but there is reason for ? Block not to be that strong head to head, the main thing being a lot of people were upset L-Block won and anti-voted it with another joke.

Would ? Block be considered an old joke, I would think not, but I do not see it becoming the next champion either. Personally I feel ? Block will be stronger than L-Block because Mario is more popular, but even if it is stronger that does not mean Rikku will lose. Watch people blame LFF from Lyndis should the block lose. Overall I feel this will be a close match.

charmander6000’s Bracket: ? Block > Rikku and Lyndis

charmander6000’s Prediction: Rikku – 41.53%, ? Block – 39.37%, Lyndis – 19.10%
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#268 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 7:01:32 AM | message detail
I would think that Brawl helps Lyndis.

So much for her being a non-SSB character.
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#269 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 7:07:10 AM | message detail
I just found out that Lyndis and Rikku are both the same age (15 years old). I have a feeling it's no coincidence they were placed in the same match.
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#270 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 7:10:46 AM | message detail
The match picture uses 17 year old Rikku
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#271 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/16/2013 7:11:50 AM | message detail
sounds hot
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#272 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 7:17:39 AM | message detail
Man, Lenneth's just falling off...
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#273 | Qwaar | Posted 8/16/2013 7:21:15 AM | message detail
I'm struggling to decide who to go for in the next match. I'm about 60/40 in favour of the block, but if I'm wrong my bracket is in trouble.
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#274 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/16/2013 7:26:59 AM | message detail
I don't feel ?-Block at all. I'm more scared of a potential Lyndis > ? than I am of ? > Rikku.
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#275 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 7:29:06 AM | message detail
I dunno man, that block looks pretty shiny
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#276 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 7:32:01 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I would think that Brawl helps Lyndis.

So much for her being a non-SSB character.


I don't get it.
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#277 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/16/2013 7:35:59 AM | message detail
it's LMS whats to get
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#278 | itslike | Posted 8/16/2013 7:41:55 AM | message detail
? block for president
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#279 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 8:04:21 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
The match picture uses 17 year old Rikku


Was not aware that Final Fantasy X-2 takes place two years after Final Fantasy X.
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#280 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 8:10:06 AM | message detail | (edited)
_SecretSquirrel posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I would think that Brawl helps Lyndis.

So much for her being a non-SSB character.


I don't get it.


Lyndis was cited as the board's pick for a non-SSB Fire Emblem character to get into the contest. But Lyndis probably gets a good amount of strength from Brawl.

Serious question: Can we cite ANY Nintendo characters from these contests who have no ties to Smash Bros. whatsoever? Note that I'm not counting characters who appear in SSB only through trophies. From that perspective, Midna and Groose are the only ones I can think of. Also Daisy I guess. Still, Midna's the only one of them with any semblance of strength.

Also I don't think Marth has ever gotten a Brawl pic, has he? Is Marth the only Brawl character who has managed to be in more than one contest without receiving a Brawl pic? Heck, most of the time Marth's pics aren't even from Smash Bros.

Uh...would we take Mr. Game & Watch to beat Ness, Ridley, Midna, Peach, Sandbag, or Epona?

Oh hey, Epona's another example.

EDIT: Also Hades I guess. Palutena actually got a Brawl pic IIRC. The fact that L-Block struggled to double a Kid Icarus character can't say good things about its strength. I predict it will finish below Tails in the x-stats.
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#281 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/16/2013 8:14:22 AM | message detail | (edited)
There's also Tingle, the FE:A guys (Chrom, Lucina, Tharja), Blue, Tom Nook, Fawful, Missingno, Geno (kinda-sorta), and Ridley only appearing as a boss in Brawl's Adventure mode.

e: Edited to remove the ones you caught.

e2: Oh, and ? Block!
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#282 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 8:16:05 AM | message detail
I'd count Tingle and Ridley since Tingle is an assist trophy (its pic was even a Brawl pic, no? It could've been a Wind Waker pic as well I suppose) while Ridley is a boss in the Subspace Emissary. Brawl seems to have helped Ridley a lot - going from 45% on Diablo to 45% on Zidane is no joke.

Blue and Missingno are the only ones out of those characters who are all that popular.
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#283 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/16/2013 8:19:00 AM | message detail
Claptrap making a few cuts now on WCC
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#284 | im317 | Posted 8/16/2013 8:32:00 AM | message detail
Lenneth with a slightly better picture to activate TJF would have put her in second imo
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#285 | 2Dover3D | Posted 8/16/2013 8:44:58 AM | message detail
#286 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 8:47:53 AM | message detail | (edited)
Speaking of Blue, his win made me feel as if...people don't really care about Fox.

I have no idea why. It just did. Has Fox ever been all that strong? In the post-Brawl world he:

-Ended up closer to Chris Redfield than Sora in Round 1. We'll pardon his 4th place finish in Round 2.
-Got almost doubled by Snake.

Getting doubled by Snake doesn't sound so good either, regardless of whatever Snake did that year.

Fox is probably a solid midcarder with no luck in bracket placement.

EDIT: Apparently Fox DID get doubled by Snake! Ouch.
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#287 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/16/2013 8:51:37 AM | message detail | (edited)
Fox seems to be around Sub-Zero/Jill in terms of strength, half decent, but nothing special.
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#288 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 8/16/2013 8:52:02 AM | message detail
What % would ? Block need to get today to make people fear him getting past zero and wcc and making a miracle run

Like 90?
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#289 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/16/2013 8:52:37 AM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
I still wish it was the Klaptrap from Donkey Kong Country.


I always thought so, too.
#290 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/16/2013 8:55:31 AM | message detail
What % would ? Block need to get today to make people fear him getting past zero and wcc and making a miracle run

Like 90?


Rikku has decent strength, if it gets in the high 50s against her the upset is there.
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#291 | Qwaar | Posted 8/16/2013 8:58:28 AM | message detail
So anyone making last minute changes? I think I'll stick with ? Block, but I'm not very confident.
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#292 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/16/2013 9:00:15 AM | message detail
Vote Accepted


? Block
50%
5 Votes
Your Pick

Lyndis
10%
1 Votes

Rikku
40%
4 Votes
Total Votes: 10
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#293 | raytan7585 | Posted 8/16/2013 9:00:34 AM | message detail
? Block
53.85%
7 Votes
Your Pick

Lyndis
15.38%
2 Votes

Rikku
30.77%
4 Votes

Total Votes: 13
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#294 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/16/2013 9:00:36 AM | message detail
A box could have anything, it could even be Rikku


? Block
60%
3 Votes

Lyndis
0%
0 Votes

Rikku
40%
2 Votes
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#295 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 9:00:39 AM | message detail
? Block
53.85%
7 Votes
Vote ? Block!

Lyndis
15.38%
2 Votes
Vote Lyndis!


Rikku
30.77%
4 Votes
Vote Rikku!

lolyn
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#296 | 2Dover3D | Posted 8/16/2013 9:00:41 AM | message detail
#297 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/16/2013 9:00:52 AM | message detail
Rikku's got this.
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#298 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 9:01:19 AM | message detail
Dang, early freeze.
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#299 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 9:01:24 AM | message detail
Ohhhhhh we're looking at a blowout against a joke for once I think

...time to calculate how much Rikku blows out Link
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#300 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/16/2013 9:01:40 AM | message detail
? Block recovered a bit before the 1 minute freeze
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