Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1113

#201 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 3:49:57 AM | message detail
Janus5000 posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Also, forget Rikku, at this point I'm questioning ? Block's ability to beat Lyndis.


Oh good, I'm not the only one wondering about this.

I fully expect Lyndis to be weak (has she done anything since FE7 aside from I think being an assist in Brawl?), but then I also don't see ? Block having any strength at all, especially if people hate blocks after this match


Eh, I think Rikku being there kind of cuts some of the legs under Lyndis's girl power. Nothing too crazy, but with as weak as Lyndis is I think Mario franchise votes will be enough to keep ? Block ahead.
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#202 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 3:50:10 AM | message detail
Man, I'd be kinda surprised if ? Block lost to Lyndis. She should be the weakest FE character in the contest.
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#203 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 3:50:58 AM | message detail
Wait what?

I think Lyndis would murder Tharja
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#204 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 3:53:20 AM | message detail
Yeah, I thought Lyndis would be the strongest non-Smash FE character.
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#205 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 3:53:58 AM | message detail
Lyndis is from the Fire Emblem game that got doubled by FFTA, right?

And apparently she's DLC for Awakening...?

Yeah, I think she'd lose to Tharja. Tharja's at least attractive.
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#206 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/16/2013 3:54:15 AM | message detail
And there's the lead change.
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#207 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 3:54:36 AM | message detail
Leon baiting an FE waifu fight I see your game here
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#208 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 3:54:48 AM | message detail
The Fire Emblem she's from is like the FF7 of Fire Emblem for Americans. It's what got them into Fire Emblem
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#209 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 3:56:25 AM | message detail
I don't know much about Fire Emblem except what I learned from Smash, but I always hear about Lyndis whenever anyone talks about the series. I'm surprised she never made it before the expanded field.
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#210 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 3:57:38 AM | message detail
FE has ensemble cast syndrome at FF6 levels... but if GameFAQs is finally getting over that, hey, no reason Lyndis can't be worth a little something!
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#211 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 3:57:46 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
The Fire Emblem she's from is like the FF7 of Fire Emblem for Americans. It's what got them into Fire Emblem


Was that FE really that popular? Didn't seem like FE started getting "popular" here until Ike.
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#212 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 3:59:15 AM | message detail
Okay which one of you jokers is rallying Claptrap
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#213 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 4:01:13 AM | message detail | (edited)
Well Ike was the first major console release for Fire Emblem in America which definitely counts for something.

I think people have a hard time taking stuff seriously if it's purely handheld. Unless it's Pokemon, anyway.

But if you held a "Favorite Fire Emblem" poll, I'm pretty confident that Fire Embllem 7 would get top billing. Or least top 2 or top 3.
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#214 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/16/2013 4:00:34 AM | message detail
I think the morning vote finally showed up to this match.

I'll wait for a few more updates to see if this is the morning vote or just a temporary spike for Claptrap.
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#215 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 4:07:22 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
FE has ensemble cast syndrome at FF6 levels... but if GameFAQs is finally getting over that, hey, no reason Lyndis can't be worth a little something!


I dunno... Her being from an FE game that got doubled by FFTA (and couldn't even double a goddamn TONY HAWK game) gives me pause, as is the fact that this is a decade after said game's release. I'm expecting her to be dead last.
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#216 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 4:12:04 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
FE has ensemble cast syndrome at FF6 levels... but if GameFAQs is finally getting over that, hey, no reason Lyndis can't be worth a little something!


I dunno... Her being from an FE game that got doubled by FFTA (and couldn't even double a goddamn TONY HAWK game) gives me pause, as is the fact that this is a decade after said game's release. I'm expecting her to be dead last.


Please don't tell me you think FFTA > FE meant anything outside of FF franchise voting back then, or means anything today.

Y'know, FFT once went 50/50 with MGS! Xenogears blew out Pokemon G/S/C!!
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#217 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 4:14:54 AM | message detail
Yeah, I would totally bite on FE > FFTA in 2013.
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#218 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 4:15:52 AM | message detail
I could be totally wrong about Lyndis! I mean, after all, I expected Lenneth to be dead last by a mile here!

But if ? Block comes in third, it's probably because it's really weak, not because Lyndis is anything worthwhile. Virtually no chance that Lyndis finishes ahead of Rikku here, I think.

But who knows. Round 1's almost over! Let's get through this thing.
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#219 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 4:17:16 AM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
FE has ensemble cast syndrome at FF6 levels... but if GameFAQs is finally getting over that, hey, no reason Lyndis can't be worth a little something!


I dunno... Her being from an FE game that got doubled by FFTA (and couldn't even double a goddamn TONY HAWK game) gives me pause, as is the fact that this is a decade after said game's release. I'm expecting her to be dead last.


Please don't tell me you think FFTA > FE meant anything outside of FF franchise voting back then, or means anything today.

Y'know, FFT once went 50/50 with MGS! Xenogears blew out Pokemon G/S/C!!


I don't. But FE7 not being able to double a Tony Hawk game, which I'd expect a good deal of games to double...? But I digress. I just think Lyndis isn't going to be anything worthwhile.
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#220 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 4:17:03 AM | message detail
Both of those games were only half a year old at the time. I doubt opinions were really settled then. It was basically the Final Fantasy name beating Fire Emblem
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#221 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 4:17:15 AM | message detail
For the record, FFIX isn't projected to do as well on FE as FFTA did in the original Games Contest based on GOTD.

So clearly this means Marche > Zidane
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#222 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 4:17:58 AM | message detail
I mean, if you're gonna use GotD stuff, you might as well also note that Fire Emblem got 40% on Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, and that game put up a really solid 47% on Final Fantasy IX. Fire Emblem isn't going to be making crazy waves or anything, but it's not fodder.
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#223 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 4:18:04 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
For the record, FFIX isn't projected to do as well on FE as FFTA did in the original Games Contest based on GOTD.

So clearly this means Marche > Zidane


Oh look, more stat voodoo junk
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#224 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 4:18:53 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Oh look, more stat voodoo junk


you do realize saying "FE couldn't double Tony Hawk what a garbage game" is using stats too right
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#225 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 4:21:24 AM | message detail | (edited)
LeonhartFour posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Oh look, more stat voodoo junk


you do realize saying "FE couldn't double Tony Hawk what a garbage game" is using stats too right


Okay. But it isn't trying to spin the stats to mean something that probably ain't true (which is strictly what I'm calling "stat voodoo junk").
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#226 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/16/2013 4:22:26 AM | message detail
FE's always been decent. That shouldn't be surprising to anyone though - this is the site where Golden Sun beat San Andreas.
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#227 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 4:22:47 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Okay. But it isn't trying to spin the stats to mean something that probably ain't true.


Not sure what the problem is considering FE and FFIX were in the same half of the division in GOTD.

Like, if you want to say "Your stats are meaningless," you need to have a better reason than "I don't accept direct results."
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#228 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 4:23:00 AM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Oh look, more stat voodoo junk


you do realize saying "FE couldn't double Tony Hawk what a garbage game" is using stats too right


Okay. But it isn't trying to spin the stats to mean something that probably ain't true (which is strictly what I'm calling "stat voodoo junk").


...the entire point is that it isn't true. It illustrates how ridiculous your FFTA comparison was.
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#229 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 4:24:42 AM | message detail
Lenneth gets a 1 vote lead and promptly collapses.

This is pretty impressive.
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#230 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 4:24:52 AM | message detail
I don't think Lyndis will beat ? Block or anything(well... it's possible if it bombs on the same level as WCC) but I just don't think she'd lose to Tharja.
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#231 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/16/2013 4:25:52 AM | message detail
I'd have taken Lyndis > Tharja without thinking it was even debatable. I mean, I'd actually heard Lyndis' name a fair few times before CBIX!
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#232 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 4:25:58 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Lenneth gets a 1 vote lead and promptly collapses.

This is pretty impressive.


Well, at least Lenneth can say she didn't pull a Bomberman.
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#233 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 8/16/2013 4:26:28 AM | message detail
I would be quite surprised if Lyndis wasn't the strongest FE character outside of Marth and Ike honestly.

BUT that match is a really awful draw for her from both sides: an RPG girl and a Mario entrant. She won't be anywhere close to 2nd IMO.
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#234 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 4:27:44 AM | message detail
SuorGenoveffa posted...
I would be quite surprised if Lyndis wasn't the strongest FE character outside of Marth and Ike honestly.


This isn't a particularly high bar!

I mean, she could be, but I dunno. It probably won't matter.
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#235 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 4:29:41 AM | message detail | (edited)
We usually don't see jokes go out and bomb in their first outing, so ? Block has that going for it at least. Bidoof, Mudkip (though those two never returned), L Block, WCC, Missingno, all of them had good showings their first time around before collapsing in their sophomore year. Magikarp also had a pretty decent showing this time around, though it's possible since we didn't see it last time that it would have done something like upset Mega Man in 2010 - there's no way to know.

By this point though all ? Block has is Mario franchise votes and a joke factor that probably hurts it more than helps it. It's just riffing off the L Block joke and that bonus poll from 2007... if voters actually make that connection to L it could hurt it that much more. Who wants to vote for a stale, worn out, and derivative joke?
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#236 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/16/2013 4:29:20 AM | message detail
The problem is that ? Block's picture is 3-D.
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#237 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 8/16/2013 4:30:01 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
SuorGenoveffa posted...
I would be quite surprised if Lyndis wasn't the strongest FE character outside of Marth and Ike honestly.


This isn't a particularly high bar!

I mean, she could be, but I dunno. It probably won't matter.


Never said it was.

But I think she could've handled Tharja's match better if she was there instead.
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#238 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 4:31:34 AM | message detail
SuorGenoveffa posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
SuorGenoveffa posted...
I would be quite surprised if Lyndis wasn't the strongest FE character outside of Marth and Ike honestly.


This isn't a particularly high bar!

I mean, she could be, but I dunno. It probably won't matter.


Never said it was.

But I think she could've handled Tharja's match better if she was there instead.


I suppose that's true.
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#239 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/16/2013 4:32:20 AM | message detail
The timing of the match coming right after WCC is pretty good too, heh
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#240 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 4:34:16 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Lenneth gets a 1 vote lead and promptly collapses.

This is pretty impressive.


I'm just surprised that she's holding up rather well for a niche RPG character who got tripled by Rikku 7 years back (but then again, lol female bracket).
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#241 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/16/2013 4:35:02 AM | message detail
Yeah, people aren't going to be happy with ? Block after seeing yet another old joke win a poll. The only thing that could maybe make this less favorable for ? is if it were a night match (Mario franchise probably means *something* in the day), but you can't have everything.
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#242 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/16/2013 4:37:34 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Who wants to vote for a stale, worn out, and derivative joke?


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5166
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#243 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/16/2013 4:39:14 AM | message detail
Also, if ? Block ends up winning, how badly is Zero going to school these cubes?
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#244 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 4:40:59 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Also, if ? Block ends up winning, how badly is Zero going to school these cubes?


Carvin' 'em up like turkeys with the Z-SFF.
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#245 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/16/2013 4:45:39 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Also, if ? Block ends up winning, how badly is Zero going to school these cubes?


Instead of having two cubes, we are going to have four rectangular boxes.
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#246 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 4:47:19 AM | message detail
I think the only two reasons I picked Rikku > ? Block were:

-Me being in an FFX mood (same reason why I switched to Yuna > Master Chief)
-Me being upset at Rikku constantly getting shafted despite her strength

So yeah, nothing rational. In hindsight, this is sounding stupid.
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#247 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/16/2013 4:53:57 AM | message detail
Also, man the font for these pics is awful.
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#248 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/16/2013 4:54:07 AM | message detail
A disaster for my oracle. Not only does Lenneth fail to beat Claptrap, cutting his early lead through the night to lead by a solitary vote before falling away, but the Cube throws in a bomb of a performance on the level of Big Daddy. I thought it would SFF Claptrap somewhat, but instead it appears to have been leeched (or, let's be honest, it sucks now that Portal isn't hot).

Round 1, Match 78

(8) ? Block
(11) Lyndis
(20) Rikku

? Block's strength is one big mystery. Before the contest it looked like it had a tricky but favourable draw - Rikku is a solid midcarder, but FFX is a step weaker in day matches and Lyndis surely hurts her more than the Block. But now that we've seen Missingno struggle so heavily with Tidus - if not necessarily a weaker entrant than Rikku, certainly one more vulnerable to anti-votes and rallying that the alluring Rikku - it's fair to say ? Block has its work cut out. I don't think it's helped by having its match right after the Cube while it has a 3D image (thanks, Ng). I'm selling BoxFAQs, give me TJF.

Oh, Lyndis should do a bit better than people might expect. If Rikku loses narrowly you might be able to say she costed her the match.

Bracket: Rikku
Expert: Rikku > ? Block > Lyndis
Oracle: Rikku - 41%; ? Block - 37%; Lyndis - 22%
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#249 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/16/2013 5:10:22 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
I hate this division
0 points so far thanks to first place +3 and then -3 for second and third place
If Claptrao finish second I finally get +6 but this is so close he might bomb it
And tommorow I believe RDR guy will suck and easy +6 but everything can happen and he might be considered a hidden beast that sadly got matched with Zelda
At least DK>Falco and Riku>Nier are locks


I didn't even give a second thought to Marston vs. Sackboy and just assumed that Marston had it. Probably not a great idea, but I find it hard to deem Marston a "Generic McDude" even though he probably should be. To be fair however, last time we saw anything LBP in action it was a loss to Grand Theft Auto III - since Marston is also associated with the same company as GTA, he probably has it.

And...I THINK Red Dead Redemption should be able to avoid the anti-votes that GTA entrants get, but who knows. Also post-PS1 Sony mascots haven't really done well this contest (Ratchet did worse against Altair than the 2010 stats suggest, Nathan Drake struggled against Pac-Man, Kratos disappointed). And Kratos Aurion's flop isn't making Sackboy look good.

Red Dead Redemption should be a good deal more well-known and well-liked than LittleBigPlanet methinks. Also we already saw a Sony platformer character lose to a current-gen open-world game protagonist.
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#250 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/16/2013 5:16:44 AM | message detail
So, apparently Portal isn't as strong as it was before, right? Since Wheatley was killed by Crash, and the Cube is having a hard time getting past some Borderlands character.