Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1111

#151 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 6:37:16 PM | message detail
Hey guys, if you're wondering, at this point assuming constant Kratos and Travis we're pretty much in for a barnburner between Zelda 2010 and Charizard 2010 based on these results.

I don't think you'd be good assuming either but heyyyyyyyyyyyy
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#152 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/14/2013 6:37:17 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Man, this has to be a pretty bad fall from grace... To think Travis was worth 30% on Zelda once...


uhhhhhh


He's losing to Recette. RECETTE! What the heck, man?! And she made Kratos look bad, too! (For a while, anyways...)
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#153 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/14/2013 6:37:36 PM | message detail
Is 30% on Zelda really that much better than 33% on Kratos? If anything I think he held up kind of well
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#154 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 6:38:00 PM | message detail
I'm going to assume they dropped proportionately.

Tidus/Shadow 2004 all over again
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#155 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/14/2013 6:38:31 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Yeah and I can claim I watch porn for the deep engaging plot too that doesn't mean there's any substance behind what I'm saying


implying gameplay isn't important to a video game

oh wait this is gamefaqs
#156 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/14/2013 6:38:43 PM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
Is 30% on Zelda really that much better than 33% on Kratos? If anything I think he held up kind of well


I'd THINK that'd be lost in the fact that he lost to Recette here...
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#157 | ZFS | Posted 8/14/2013 6:38:48 PM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
If you view TP as being perceived as at least partly a Gamecube game, then Brawl, which was the most hyped game of the century on this site, is the only superstrong game from the Wii. Galaxy and Galaxy 2 being strong, but not elite, makes sense in light of Skyward Sword's showings.


Don't think that holds up too well. Many people bought the Wii just to play TP, the sales were super lopsided for the Wii, too. I don't think the SS, post-Brawl comparison works for SMG, anyway. It came out in the middle of Wii hype, before Brawl. That explains SMG2, though. People here just haven't taken to Mario's Wii games for whatever reason, despite being Nintendo's highest quality series this gen. I guess Mario games don't really get 'hype' like Zelda and Smash Bros., so it doesn't get that same fanaticism.
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#158 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 6:39:10 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Lopen posted...
Yeah and I can claim I watch porn for the deep engaging plot too that doesn't mean there's any substance behind what I'm saying


implying gameplay isn't important to a video game

oh wait this is gamefaqs


you've lost ahold of the metaphor now
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#159 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 6:40:42 PM | message detail
Galaxy is about the only thing from the Wii I consistently vote for. I don't really get GameFAQs dissin' Mario like that
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#160 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 6:41:28 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I don't really get GameFAQs dissin' Mario like that


MOTION CONTROLS ARE BAD WITHOUT EXCEPTION

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#161 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/14/2013 6:41:54 PM | message detail
It might well just be a mix of new-age Mario weakness and end-of-gen fatigue. Galaxy 2's inevitable early loss in the next Games Contest is going to be so disappointing to see though - if you ask me, it's the best platformer ever and the biggest reason to think Nintendo's still got 'it' around.
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#162 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 6:42:28 PM | message detail
Galaxy 2 best platformer ever yessir
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#163 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 6:44:17 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I don't really get GameFAQs dissin' Mario like that


MOTION CONTROLS ARE BAD WITHOUT EXCEPTION

(Yes people like this exist)


...why the hell is Twilight Princess worth anything
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#164 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 6:45:13 PM | message detail
People playing the GameCube version!

Or Zelda is always the exception.
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#165 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 6:48:17 PM | message detail
Eh, definitely not always. Skyward Sword has bad upsets in its future against it come our next Games Contest, if it can even get in.
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#166 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 6:49:10 PM | message detail
Skyward Sword vs. Halo 3

WHO YA GOT
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#167 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 6:50:24 PM | message detail
Halo no thanks I'm not that suicidal
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#168 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 6:51:24 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4075

NEVER FORGET
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#169 | Articuno2001 | Posted 8/14/2013 6:52:40 PM | message detail
would take Skyward Sword because LAW
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#170 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/14/2013 6:53:58 PM | message detail
Skyward Sword would be fairly strong in a Games Contest simply because it has 'Zelda' in the name. I wouldn't be surprised if 3/4 of its potential voters haven't played it, but yeah.
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#171 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/14/2013 6:54:36 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4075

NEVER FORGET


The less trashy of the trashy games won.
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#172 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/14/2013 6:55:55 PM | message detail
homsar555 posted...
I wonder how much support a Katawa Shoujo character could get from 4chan. Didn't that game sort of originate there?


If they really cared, they would've gotten one in. There was even one in the database and everything!

-LusterSoldier- posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
According to Allen, it's not fair to the older games because the newer games would crush them! Poor Mario 1 wouldn't stand a chance against the mighty Halo!


Also, this site doesn't value the older games as much as the new games. Without division by eras, games from the 1980s and 1970s are almost unlikely to get into the contest. We've seen polls for the best decade in games and the best console generation and this site doesn't have any respect for the NES generation and anything before the 1990s.

Assuming we have another games contest with 243 games and 9 divisions, Bacon could create a bracket not divided by eras by taking the top 27 games from each of the following time periods:

1972-1988
1989-1991
1992-1994
1995-1997
1998-2000
2001-2003
2004-2006
2007-2010
2011-2014

That is, the top 27 nominated games from 1972-1988 would get into the contest, but they wouldn't be put into one division. Then you'll have the top 27 nominated games from 1989-1991 get into the contest. Repeat the same thing over and over for the other time periods.


And that's a problem why? Any time someone protests the possible "retirement" of characters like Link who win too much, it's because it's "supposed to be a popularity contest, so why would you say someone's ineligible for being too popular?" And yet we're supposed to be okay with popular games being held out in favor of less popular games because the less popular games came from an era that has less representation? Put the games with the most nominations into the bracket, regardless of what era they're from. Only old games with actual strength will get in, so you don't have to worry about the "weak older games" being destroyed by newer games.
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#173 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/14/2013 6:59:44 PM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
Is 30% on Zelda really that much better than 33% on Kratos? If anything I think he held up kind of well


Yes. Kratos is far from weak, but he's not really that strong, either.
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#174 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:06:20 PM | message detail
bee tee dubs ROAR, MY TRAVIS!
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#175 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/14/2013 7:11:42 PM | message detail
300 down with less than 2 hours to go, can he do it?

The answer is no
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#176 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:12:42 PM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Man, this has to be a pretty bad fall from grace... To think Travis was worth 30% on Zelda once...


He probably still is.
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#177 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/14/2013 7:13:34 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Yes. Kratos is far from weak, but he's not really that strong, either.


So what you're saying is that Charizard is screwed?
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#178 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 7:14:32 PM | message detail
Zelda 2010 is weaker than traditional Zelda. If Zelda was as strong as she was in, say, 2008, I'd have bitten on the Charizard upset. As it is I'm rather concerned she might be in for another SFF beatdown like last year, despite their projected strengths being very similar now.
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#179 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 7:16:13 PM | message detail
If Wrex and Zelda both get to round 3, you could be looking at your Guru champ RIGHT HERE

Well, we'd have to get that all Noble Nine Final Nine, too, but Zelda would go a long way toward us getting it.
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#180 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:22:10 PM | message detail
Match LXXV: (9) Red Bird vs. (10) Mike Haggar vs. (19) Jill Valentine

Previous Contest

Red Bird – N/A
N/A

Mike Haggar – N/A
N/A

Jill Valentine – 2010
67.21% against Niko Bellic
32.48% against Samus Aran

Analysis

As SBAllen slowly revealed the bracket I was excited at the match between Red Bird and Mike Haggar, but then Jill had to show up as the 19 seed. Jill should have little trouble winning here. Jill has had a couple of appearances since her last contest, most notably Marvel vs. Capcom 3, but given her next round opponents a boost is not going to do much for her.

While the main fight is obvious the fight for second is still debated. Angry Birds is one of the most played games in the world and the game does not have a bad play rate on GameFAQs. Sure 67% does not exactly compare with Pac-Man or Tetris, but it is a lot higher than other games played by many people like World of Warcraft and Minecraft which struggle to reach half that percent. Despite the numbers Red Bird probably will not have strength because he is a type of character that no one cares about. Had this been a match of complete unknowns I would give him a chance, but here I see him flopping to our expectations.

I expect Mike Haggar to be weak, but after watching Poison he may have some strength. Of course we have no information on Elizabeth and Thrall is likely weaker plus she had a pair of reasons to perform better. Regardless Haggar should be stronger than Poison and with his appearances in Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and being a general fan favourite I feel he will have enough strength to take second.

One thing that may be concerning is any potential Capcom SFF between Jill and Haggar which could let Red Bird sneak into second. Despite the potential I feel Haggar could resist some of the SFF because he is more of a fan favourite than Jill. I also do not see Red Bird getting any kind of joke rally; he just does not seem like the type of character to get one.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Jill Valentine > Mike Haggar and Red Bird

charmander6000’s Prediction: Jill Valentine – 54.36%, Mike Haggar – 25.44%, Red Bird – 20.20%
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#181 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:24:50 PM | message detail
Pssssshaw, Zelda has no chance in the second round! Donkey Kong (yeah, you heard me) will be leeching more votes off her than on Charizard. Zard's gonna be coasting to round 3!!
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#182 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/14/2013 7:27:44 PM | message detail
Funny thing is that the thing that worries me the most about Red Bird isn't even the play rate or the popularity of the game. More like the fact that he's 'some animal'.

GameFAQs seems to love dem plain animals.
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#183 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/14/2013 7:33:33 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
MGS has the primacy, the playrate, the near universal respect by the fanbase... I mean, heck, who likes any of the MGS games and simultaneously doesn't like either MGS or TTS? Do they even exist?


The "MGS1 hasn't aged well and isn't a good game anymore and TTS is trash" people do exist among the fanbase, yes!


I need names if I'm going to lead a witch hunt, Leon


hey have we met
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#184 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/14/2013 7:45:14 PM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
charmander6000’s Prediction: Jill Valentine – 54.36%, Mike Haggar – 25.44%, Red Bird – 20.20%


Mike Haggar should be even weaker than Poison. I think Poison only looked good because Thrall crapped the bed and Elizabeth is much weaker than we expected. When Elizabeth gets absolutely eviscerated by Kirby next round, that will only confirm that Poison was even more terrible than she showed. I think Booker's performance would suggest Elizabeth is not as strong as we thought.
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#185 | foxhead84 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:46:58 PM | message detail
Am I the only one who is not able to see the stats on the leaderboard anymore (I'm using Chrome (and Explorer))
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#186 | Ytterbium_70 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:52:15 PM | message detail
Lots of people failing to remember the huge Desperate Struggle boost Travis got on Zelda in 2010
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#187 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:54:56 PM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
300 down with less than 2 hours to go, can he do it?

The answer is no


You gotta believe.

Clap your hands if you believe in Touchdowns!
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#188 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/14/2013 7:57:14 PM | message detail
Sorry, I believe in capitalism
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#189 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/14/2013 7:57:28 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
Fayt_Esteed posted...
Man, this has to be a pretty bad fall from grace... To think Travis was worth 30% on Zelda once...


He probably still is.


Funny, because I'd expect someone who got 30% on Zelda to not spend pretty much the entire poll losing to the likes of Recette...
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#190 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 7:58:11 PM | message detail
You keep touting 30% on Zelda like it's some benchmark. It's not indicative of strength.
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#191 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:59:25 PM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
Sorry, I believe in capitalism


Hmm, I walked into that
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#192 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:59:45 PM | message detail
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Then00bAvenger posted...
300 down with less than 2 hours to go, can he do it?

The answer is no


You gotta believe.

Clap your hands if you believe in Touchdowns!


well, he IS winning in the US....barely
#193 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/14/2013 8:11:39 PM | message detail
You guys just made me play Recettear. Now I'm completely addicted. You monsters.

Seriously, this game is great. It's Animal Crossing, except for the fact you get to be the greedy shopkeeper.
#194 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/14/2013 8:25:59 PM | message detail
Wow... I find it hard to believe Kratos probably won't even double Recette by the time this is over.
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#195 | CP724 | Posted 8/14/2013 8:31:36 PM | message detail
birdFAQS incoming
#196 | creativename | Posted 8/14/2013 8:32:22 PM | message detail
Luster, why in the heck would you want those old games in? Even from the NES era the only games worth having would be SMB, SMB3, LoZ, and Final Fantasy.

This site is all about SNES/N64/PSX/PS2. And RBY from Gameboy.

Pre-NES games need to be avoided like the plague.
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#197 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/14/2013 8:32:40 PM | message detail
CP724 posted...
birdFAQS incoming


Not until Boko!
#198 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/14/2013 8:33:48 PM | message detail
Red Bird or Haggar for 2nd
I kinda feel like no-picking again
#199 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/14/2013 8:34:23 PM | message detail
I never said that I wanted to have old games in. But if Bacon is determined to have games from the 1970s and early 1980s represented in a Games Contest, he should do it in a way that avoids having divisions by era. I proposed one way to avoid divisions by era while allowing games from the 1970s and early 1980s to get into the contest.
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#200 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/14/2013 8:36:08 PM | message detail
ANIMALFAQS vs Da Mayor of Earf
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