Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1110

#1 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/14/2013 3:34:40 AM | message detail
Assuming I did the math right, according to this match and the 27-seeds poll, Mega Man would score over 90% on Crono.

Food for thought.

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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

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#2 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/14/2013 3:37:32 AM | message detail
But what about Geno?
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#3 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 3:50:17 AM | message detail
77.95% on Crono.
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#4 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/14/2013 3:57:56 AM | message detail
how is Geno not more popular here

He's like an intersection of everything this site loves
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#5 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 4:20:51 AM | message detail
#6 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 4:41:30 AM | message detail
Shaped like a krogan to headbutt things
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#7 | spooky96 | Posted 8/14/2013 4:48:57 AM | message detail
Meh wasn't around when this started, did Magiarp win the board vote at least?
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#8 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 4:49:07 AM | message detail
Speaking of, here's the glorious trend chart:

Time | Pit | Wrex | Cecil | Votes
0:05 | 42.66% | 27.27% | 30.07% | 143
1:00 | 29.91% | 35.56% | 34.53% | 4955
2:00 | 28.45% | 35.92% | 35.63% | 3744
3:00 | 29.30% | 37.85% | 32.85% | 3297
4:00 | 30.78% | 36.59% | 32.63% | 2924
5:00 | 28.06% | 38.35% | 33.59% | 2623
6:00 | 28.42% | 38.08% | 33.50% | 2579
7:00 | 29.64% | 38.00% | 32.36% | 2321
8:00 | 28.19% | 37.84% | 33.97% | 2146
9:00 | 27.98% | 37.94% | 34.08% | 1919
10:00 | 29.33% | 37.06% | 33.62% | 1889
11:00 | 28.31% | 39.36% | 32.33% | 1720
12:00 | 26.03% | 40.10% | 33.86% | 1571

Pit is strongest right out of the gate, just like Hades and Palutena were. Pretty balanced throughout the match though. Cecil actually does better in the first half of the match than the second. Wrex dominates the last two hours of the match.

Wrex-stats:

Urdnot Wrex – 50.00%
Cecil Harvey – 47.43%
Pit – 43.62%

Wrex's prediction percentage was 23.71%
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#9 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 4:50:12 AM | message detail
Also, I've actually successfully picked three out of the top four lowest prediction percentages so far (Yuna, Wrex, and Catherine), although I had actually flip-flopped in my Expert to Cecil and Neku by the time those matches actually rolled around!
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#10 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 4:50:33 AM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
Meh wasn't around when this started, did Magiarp win the board vote at least?


Magikarp was winning for a few minutes, yeah.
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#11 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/14/2013 5:04:18 AM | message detail
23%?Wrex you wrecked the brackets!
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#12 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/14/2013 5:49:09 AM | message detail | (edited)
Magikarp flops and splashes, but Mega Man is untroubled, blasting the fish out of the contest. Good showing all the same though - 37% on Mega Man is very respectable. Geno does nothing much.

Round 1, Match 74

(6) Kratos
(13) Travis Touchdown
(22) Recette

Kratos wins, of course. I'm interested to see how Travis does here, though. 30% on Zelda was quite a bit more than many expected him to get, and if he's held his strength from 2010 - no guarantees there - he should get notably more than that on Kratos. I don't think Recette will be able to challenge him, but if he's completely died it might be possible - anime girls don't go down easily, it seems.

Bracket: Kratos
Expert: Kratos > Travis > Recette
Oracle: Kratos - 54%; Travis Touchdown - 28%; Recette - 18%
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#13 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/14/2013 5:43:56 AM | message detail
Man, I'm still kind of pissed off that I switched my expert from Pit > Cecil to Cecil > Pit, since it resulted in more points lost in the end thanks to Wrex.

And I can't believe 2 pages of the last topic were dedicated to Kenzorsis Kashakashaka continuing to spout his League of Losers BS. Draven is going to be crushed under the combined weight of X/Ryu, and any rally attempt will be far more diluted, as Draven actually has competition in characters that people will vote for.
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#14 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/14/2013 5:46:18 AM | message detail
Okay right now I think these characters are all around the same strength level:

Mr. Game & Watch
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro the Dragon
Epona
Marth
Ike
Proto Man
Ratchet

Does this sound justifiable? And...would anyone pick any of these guys over Master Chief?
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#15 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/14/2013 5:46:27 AM | message detail
There is some truth to that.Do you know how many people play LOL?If only a tiny fraction votes for him he wins.And I hope that they manage to organize an amazing rally.
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#16 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/14/2013 6:00:50 AM | message detail | (edited)
MoogleKupo141 posted...
how is Geno not more popular here

He's like an intersection of everything this site loves


What would be his greatest strength is really his downfall. Geno could be decent, but because of his Nintendo/Square heritage and the fact that he's low on the totem pole, he overlaps seemingly with everyone and they pull rank on him. So far, he's been in a million contests, and has yet to draw anyone that's not Nintendo or Square. Hell, he even got Bowser once, and Bowser would probably damage him worse than Mario would.

When Ness SFFs you, it's bad news. Still, there's the possibility he's at least high fodder and over-performs on a Master Chief or Nathan Drake.
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#17 | NotTerrafire | Posted 8/14/2013 6:16:51 AM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
how is Geno not more popular here

He's like an intersection of everything this site loves


What would be his greatest strength is really his downfall. Geno could be decent, but because of his Nintendo/Square heritage and the fact that he's low on the totem pole, he overlaps seemingly with everyone and they pull rank on him. So far, he's been in a million contests, and has yet to draw anyone that's not Nintendo or Square. Hell, he even got Bowser once, and Bowser would probably damage him worse than Mario would.

When Ness SFFs you, it's bad news. Still, there's the possibility he's at least high fodder and over-performs on a Master Chief or Nathan Drake.


I think it's just a case of a low Super Mario RPG playrate, even on this site.
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#18 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/14/2013 6:17:40 AM | message detail
But Street Fighter 2 lost!
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#19 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/14/2013 6:25:22 AM | message detail
Now I really feel that all this debate over who's likely to win out of Lightning and Donkey Kong is unwarranted as it's Donkey Kong, who can only be counted on to choke (strike 1), Nintendo has performed like crap in a lot of its debated matches (strike 2), and Donkey Kong's got to deal with SFF from Falco (strike 3, DK's out). But I suppose Donkey Kong might have improved, for what it's worth...
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#20 | NotTerrafire | Posted 8/14/2013 6:26:34 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
But Street Fighter 2 lost!


1. Nine years ago.
2. The 'brand' name of the game is certain to pick up a lot of people who haven't properly played the game (Contains Mario; the word 'RPG'; tribal Square fans probably know it's a Square game)
3. The actual characters are not going to pick up those non-player voters due to lack of recognition.
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#21 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 6:27:06 AM | message detail
Super Mario RPG would still beat SF2 today.
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#22 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/14/2013 6:38:49 AM | message detail
It's probably more likely that Falco upsets Donkey Kong at this point.
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#23 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/14/2013 6:45:16 AM | message detail
I'm still in favor of nuking the "bonus poll" out of existence and speeding up this contest
we're not actually gonna get a fodderfight bonus match
#24 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/14/2013 6:50:59 AM | message detail
I agree, there is no issue of having the first second round poll as the day poll, it also eliminates the need for another bonus poll after the second round.
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#25 | itslike | Posted 8/14/2013 6:53:08 AM | message detail
karp
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#26 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/14/2013 6:54:14 AM | message detail
Match LXXIV: (6) Kratos vs. (13) Travis Touchdown vs. (22) Recette Lemongrass

Previous Contest

Kratos – 2010
60.98% against Miles “Tails” Prower
45.51% against Charizard

Travis Touchdown – 2010
29.33% against Zelda

Recette Lemongrass – N/A
N/A

Analysis

Kratos should have an easy time winning this match given his opponents are two fodder characters. There is a chance that Kratos is weaker than what we saw in 2010 due to God of War III being released during the contest and the game had a bit of hype, but Sony has been doing a good job milking the franchise with all those HD releases and packages since we last saw him. At the very least anyone who owns a Playstation 3 should have heard of Kratos.

Despite not having a very high opinion of Travis he should have an easy time finishing in second. He was not completely crushed against Zelda and since 2010 his first game has been ported to the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 which should give him a slight boost in strength, even if the ports were not well received.

I was prepared to place Recette as one of the weakest characters in the entire bracket until I found out 4chan really likes her. I do not feel they can get her to second place, but at the very least they may make her more than turbo fodder. This will also give us a chance to see how well SBAllen’s new anti-vote stuffing software works as there is no doubt some people will try to stuff this poll.

Kratos should be able to break 50% easily in this poll and could even push for 60% unless the Recette rally gets ridiculous. I have a feeling that Kratos may disappoint to some people’s expectations, they see what he got on Charizard yet think it was the same Charizard against Bowser and even Mario.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Kratos > Travis Touchdown and Recette Lemongrass

charmander6000’s Prediction: Kratos – 57.63%, Travis Touchdown – 28.36%, Recette Lemongrass – 14.01%
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#27 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 6:54:30 AM | message detail
There's also really no issue of extending the contest by 12 hours. It really changes nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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#28 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/14/2013 6:58:03 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
There's also really no issue of extending the contest by 12 hours. It really changes nothing in the grand scheme of things.


yes it does ;)
(also do you really want two "how is this contest" polls)
#29 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 7:00:33 AM | message detail
Well, if you're so concerned about certain characters getting day matches as opposed to night matches or vice-versa, it'd be pretty unfair for Bacon to change that around just for the heck of it since a lot of people made predictions based on when the match would be held.

(also the second bonus poll won't be a "How is this contest" poll)
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#30 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/14/2013 7:03:55 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
(also the second bonus poll won't be a "How is this contest" poll)


wait what
how do you know that
#31 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/14/2013 7:05:08 AM | message detail
....Something I just realized (and I'm sure someone has asked)...

Why was Amaterasu allowed in all these years (until now)?
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#32 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/14/2013 7:29:56 AM | message detail
It's one of my most stubborn picks I've made, but screw it -- still don't think Lightning is going to beat Donkey Kong. I've got next to no respect for FF13 here and even less off of GameFAQs, FF13-2 will mean zilch according to my 2012-theory (which people would have cared for if people liked FF13), Dissidia's back in question, and her Rivalry Rumble vote-in was worse than embarrassing. Hype-Lightning >> today's Lightning.

Falco is a big detriment and DK's a known choker, but DKCR is his biggest game since the SNES (DK64 doesn't exist) and I wouldn't take any FF12-characters to win this match either.


Still, I'd feel better if DK had TJF.....
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#33 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/14/2013 7:33:15 AM | message detail
Lightning losing to DK with Falco in the poll would be the most embarassing result for Square since Balthier/Ada I.

....or Balthier/Ada/Amaterasu, depending on if you think Dante should have hurt one of the two Capcom character at least slightly.
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#34 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/14/2013 7:41:29 AM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
It's one of my most stubborn picks I've made, but screw it -- still don't think Lightning is going to beat Donkey Kong. I've got next to no respect for FF13 here and even less off of GameFAQs, FF13-2 will mean zilch according to my 2012-theory (which people would have cared for if people liked FF13), Dissidia's back in question, and her Rivalry Rumble vote-in was worse than embarrassing. Hype-Lightning >> today's Lightning.

Falco is a big detriment and DK's a known choker, but DKCR is his biggest game since the SNES (DK64 doesn't exist) and I wouldn't take any FF12-characters to win this match either.


Still, I'd feel better if DK had TJF.....


I guess DKCR might do him some good, but you know what they say - a leopard doesn't change his spots. It doesn't help his case that Nintendo characters have looked bad in a lot of debated matches...
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#35 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/14/2013 7:49:27 AM | message detail
I can definitely see Donkey Kong winning that match, but I'll stick with my gut and take Lightning in my Expert challenge.
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#36 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 7:53:56 AM | message detail
I'd have taken practically any Nintendo character of the slightest worth in that pack other than Donkey Kong.

Heck I have more faith in Falco beating Lightning than Donkey Kong <_<
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#37 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/14/2013 7:55:24 AM | message detail
You people are nuts.
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#38 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/14/2013 8:01:31 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I'd have taken practically any Nintendo character of the slightest worth in that pack other than Donkey Kong.

Heck I have more faith in Falco beating Lightning than Donkey Kong <_<


Same here >_>
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#39 | ZFS | Posted 8/14/2013 8:01:47 AM | message detail
Yeah, DKCR should have been a big help for DK. That's his first game since these contests started that was actually very well received and sold well, and DKCR2 is coming out soon. Still would take him 1v1, and Lightning is probably gonna suck, but Falco messes it up. Damn you Star Fox
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#40 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/14/2013 8:02:54 AM | message detail
watch DK win with Falco there anyway
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#41 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/14/2013 8:03:26 AM | message detail
Also Charizard's going to beat Mega Man GOD DAMNIT
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#42 | swordz9 | Posted 8/14/2013 8:04:45 AM | message detail
I still feel confident in Lightning. If nothing else a lot of people like her despite not liking XIII, DK chokes a lot and Falco being there doesn't help DK or Falco himself. Lightning might have a bad board vote though since people seem mixed on her here overall.
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#43 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 8:05:28 AM | message detail
It all depends on how hard Mega Man can put the afterburners on Zero this year. If he can do an impression of what Fox did this year, he'll win comfortably. If Zero refuses to fold... yeah ain't much he can do other than hope Charizard is even worse than my worst case scenario estimates.
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#44 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/14/2013 8:07:52 AM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
It's one of my most stubborn picks I've made, but screw it -- still don't think Lightning is going to beat Donkey Kong. I've got next to no respect for FF13 here and even less off of GameFAQs, FF13-2 will mean zilch according to my 2012-theory (which people would have cared for if people liked FF13), Dissidia's back in question, and her Rivalry Rumble vote-in was worse than embarrassing. Hype-Lightning >> today's Lightning.

Falco is a big detriment and DK's a known choker, but DKCR is his biggest game since the SNES (DK64 doesn't exist) and I wouldn't take any FF12-characters to win this match either.


Still, I'd feel better if DK had TJF.....


It was a terrible rivalry, I don't know who even considered it a rivalry. Not to mention that every other FFXIII character are held in poor regard. Public opinion is generally that she's a very well liked character but burdening her with any other FFXIII character and a terrible rivalry in a polly with Yuna/Seymour was always going to look pathetic.
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#45 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/14/2013 8:08:53 AM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
(also the second bonus poll won't be a "How is this contest" poll)


wait what
how do you know that


Because that would be stupid.
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#46 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/14/2013 8:14:01 AM | message detail
Man, Charizard is gonna wreck this mega scrub

also wait a minute STREET FIGHTER 2 LOST!?
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#47 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 8:14:20 AM | message detail
Wait, we're judging Lightning from an SFF beatdown in a Rivalry Rumble vote-in poll?

I don't think she'll be worth much but c'mon guys that's just cruel.
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#48 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/14/2013 8:17:15 AM | message detail
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
Man, Charizard is gonna wreck this mega scrub

also wait a minute STREET FIGHTER 2 LOST!?


I was waiting for it!

And yeah, KH my thinking is that if Mega Man holds up this poorly to Magikarp, the Zard is gonna clean him with Zero in the picture.
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#49 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/14/2013 8:19:54 AM | message detail
I wouldn't judge it on Magikarp. He's clearly getting *some* strength from being a joke character. Let's take a look at Charizard's own strength. Honestly, while the odds are still vanishingly slim imho, he has to worry about against Zelda.

Or maybe Lightning will actually be worth something and beat them both while they knock each other out! Hahahahahahaha I slay myself
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#50 | Whupassman | Posted 8/14/2013 8:20:17 AM | message detail
Threw away a vote on Geno out of spite. Would do it again. In a heartbeat.
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