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xp1337 posted... Luster would probably have a better idea of this, but is there anything to suggest L-Block had significant voter retention that held throughout the contest, or to a bigger extreme, into 2008? Well, here are the average vote totals for each round during the 2007 contest if you throw out the L-Block matches: Round 1 - 131725 Round 2 - 131995 Round 3 and beyond - 142432 There was only about a 7.9% increase in vote totals after round 2. After the contest ended, there was a definite increase in vote totals on non-contest polls. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
ZFS posted... Wrex probably is more popular, but it won't be by very much, in all likelihood. The idea that Mordin is the equivalent of Otacon never made any real sense, considering how much more likable, loved, and interesting Mordin is versus Otacon (I don't like Mordin either), and he dwarfs Wrex in focus and screen time, while being in the most popular game in the series versus the least popular and least liked. Wrex is, again, probably more popular, but not anything like you've been suggesting. There's not really much point in going back and forth, because it's gonna be made evident soon enough. Though if I would make one more comparison of Epona's weakness, she scored about as much on Niko Bellic as Crash Bandicoot did on Tommy Vercetti. Low midcard. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Wrex's
result was so weird that I'm not even sure I want to take it entirely
into consideration yet. What he did puts him really close to Garrus,
which makes absolutely no sense unless the entire Mass Effect fanbase is
a hivemind. I guess we'll have to see how he does next round, although
he'll stand like crazy there too. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Did someone really just dis Epona because you have to tap a button to make her run? That's it, I'm going to bed. |
Huh,
so it seems it did go up, but not by too much (I'm going to assume some
of that increase is just for being further in the contest.) --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? GotD (219/384) Melee v FFX |
By the way... I'm thinking Draven's next match without outside factors is something like... Draven - 6% Ryu - 47% MMX - 47% With rallying (rallying put him at roughly 43% on Jak based on US results which is the region I feel wasn't actually stuffed) it's probably more like Draven - 12% Ryu - 44% MMX - 44% I'll give Draven the benefit of a doubt and say he can legit rally to 20% since the rally will probably favor him more disproportionately than you'd expect given x-stats. So Draven's going to need to stuff enough to overcome a deficit of about 20%. 20% of a GameFAQs poll is about 6-7k votes. If I were to make a guess based on vote inake I'm thinking Draven was stuffing about 60 votes per 5 minutes, meaning if the stuffer worked the whole time and didn't run out of resources he could get 60*12*12 = 8640 votes. It'll be really close I think. And against Link he's boned unless the stuffer was holding back or the legitimate rally can actually gain momentum. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
KamikazePotato posted... I'm interested to see how that match unfolds. I think that Epona is probably going to be a character that folds at the first sign of other Nintendo characters, kinda like Ness. Whether or not that's enough for Ike to overtake GlaDOS (doubt it) is another thing entirely. And if Epona doesn't fold, then her chances of outright winning are very slim, because Ike isn't going to fold either and GlaDOS will coast the LFF train to victory. I don't see Epona getting SFF'd by a FE/SSBB-character (or losing, really), but the LFF-thought is spot on. They'll be tugging at two vastly different sides of the Nintendo-fanbase, and their strengths aren't worlds apart. It'll be a neat match while we also figure out what GLaDOS does post-Portal 2. --- T H E S T A B L E - bring on Epona! http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
Your
argument for Wrex has never been any good! It's amounted to 'you'll
see!' and Otacon comparisons. Just doesn't make any real sense, unless
it's dictated almost entirely by design, which isn't a terribly
farfetched idea considering it's the only thing Hayabusa has to make him
decent. Still not seeing it, doesn't have anything pointing to it,
outside of Wrex being more 'badass.' --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
ZFS posted... Wrex probably is more popular, but it won't be by very much, in all likelihood. The idea that Mordin is the equivalent of Otacon never made any real sense, considering how much more likable, loved, and interesting Mordin is versus Otacon (I don't like Mordin either), and he dwarfs Wrex in focus and screen time, while being in the most popular game in the series versus the least popular and least liked. Wrex is, again, probably more popular, but not anything like you've been suggesting. Why do people think Otacon isn't likeable or interesting? Yes, he's absolutely not badass at all, but he's not meant to be. He's Snake's humanity and his best bro. I've never heard people hate on him, either. That brief aside taken care of, here's something to think about: why are we so sure Mass Effect 2 and 3 are stronger and more impactful games than 1? Yes, ME2 is the critical darling of the series, but ME1 is the game that got people interested enough for ME2 to make it into a juggernaut. Haven't we seen the latter, better, superior games in a series tank compared to their inferior predecessors before just because they came first? I swear we have, and if so that'd explain why Wrex has so much power. |
ChenKenichiFan posted... You will all see just how redeemed Mordin will be! If GameFAQs pegs the high-pitched, witty, incredibly moving salarian scientist with a whimsical personality and goofy design as that strong, it will be a watershed moment for this site and I will welcome it. But don't see it happening. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
It is a shocker. Rallies tend not to help swing matches except if they're really close because votes split and dilute. If LoL fans can stick to their guns in a noticeable proportion and push their boys forward, that makes them an entirely different beast from everybody else. That's worth looking at. A different beast only because of their numbers. Unless you're doing something dumb like rallying for Sephiroth on 4chan or rallying against Mario, I'd expect a typical rally to go 3-to-1 or better in favor of the rallied thing. And I give Draven a pretty good chance, all told, but as far as I'm concerned, if he doesn't get 45% or better against Ryu and X, any win will be solely because of the format. The guy is just completely worthless in natural strength. --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
the more one of Mega Man X/Ryu pull away, the harder it gets |
Hm...is Mega Man underperforming here? If MM went head to head with Magikarp I would say it's fine...but 45-45 kind of deal,not 40-40 Geno having more than 10% here is the problem...or maybe I remember him far weaker? |
I
don't think SFF is the right word - I just don't think people are going
to be very likely to support Epona when there's another Nintendo
option. She might even do alright 1 v 1, but voters have proven when
they know that an LFF setup is unfair. If voters side with one Nintendo
character, they aren't gonna side with the horse. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Otacon
is the ultimate whatever of MGS. He's not actively terrible, but once
you're away from the games, he's the gross backstory in MGS2 and 'like
one of my animes' and wets himself. Or more recently, lots of crying and
shouting NAOMI. These are not Mordin attributes. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
Lopen posted... With rallying (rallying put him at roughly 43% on Jak based on US results which is the region I feel wasn't actually stuffed) it's probably more like Draven did get a lot of rally votes from the US. In fact, Draven only had around 22% in the US before the rally started and he almost reached 32% by the end of the match. So there were a lot of rally votes from the US, but not enough to put Draven over Jak in the US since the rally happened late at night. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
Mordin is not Otacon, but he's going to be significantly worse than Garrus. He has 'fan favorite' written all over him. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Draven
did get a lot of rally votes from the US. In fact, Draven only had
around 22% in the US before the rally started and he almost reached 32%
by the end of the match. So there were a lot of rally votes from the US,
but not enough to put Draven over Jak in the US since the rally
happened late at night. I realize. I'm saying Draven's legitimate rally power is measured roughly by the US result (which was tilted a good deal by the rally too), which is enough to have him "get closeish to Jak" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
I
mean, I think people are underplaying the Wrex match. It makes
absolutely no sense. Garrus would not do much better on Cecil than what
Wrex did, if at all. Actually, looking at the votals - that match had huge numbers compared to other matches. Was there a rally somewhere? A 'rally'? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
From: ZFS | Posted: 8/14/2013 1:55:40 AM | #409 Your argument for Wrex has never been any good! It's amounted to 'you'll see!' and Otacon comparisons. Just doesn't make any real sense, unless it's dictated almost entirely by design, which isn't a terribly farfetched idea considering it's the only thing Hayabusa has to make him decent. Still not seeing it, doesn't have anything pointing to it, outside of Wrex being more 'badass.' the first round results are what's pointing to it and that's the best argument imo. Niko blows and he didn't beat him by enough. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
KamikazePotato posted... If voters side with one Nintendo character, they aren't gonna side with the horse. You'd be surprised. As a big Nintendo fan, I'd side with the horse over a good number of other Nintendo characters. The memory of freeing Epona from Lon Lon Ranch is still one of the most vivid memories I have from OoT. --- Drop it to the floor... |
AxemRedRanger posted... It is a shocker. Rallies tend not to help swing matches except if they're really close because votes split and dilute. If LoL fans can stick to their guns in a noticeable proportion and push their boys forward, that makes them an entirely different beast from everybody else. That's worth looking at. That's fair, I think (though I'd lower that threshold to 40%. The weaker entrant between X and Ryu would have to be completely fodderized for the other one to keep a percentage of 45% close). Round 2 is gonna be a huge test of many things, and if Draven succeeds or comes remotely close to killing off the two Capcom Classics, it's gonna pose some really interesting questions about the future. Can you imagine a world where a fan effort can get ten thousand people to come in and turn the tides of a poll just because the right entrant was there? The idea is just baffling to me, but it would make contests super hard to predict in the best way, because suddenly, really wanting your guy to win matters beyond just giving him your vote and moral support. |
Wrex
being at least close to Garrus wouldn't surprise me much. It depends
how much of the ME fanbase is primarily from ME1. Wrex is definitely
more the fan favorite based off of that game alone. Garrus actually
being in all of them + becoming better in the later games helps though --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
ZFS posted... Your argument for Wrex has never been any good! It's amounted to 'you'll see!' and Otacon comparisons. Just doesn't make any real sense, unless it's dictated almost entirely by design, which isn't a terribly farfetched idea considering it's the only thing Hayabusa has to make him decent. Still not seeing it, doesn't have anything pointing to it, outside of Wrex being more 'badass.' This is silly. It's like trying to argue against Vincent's strength (and these are actually the exact same arguments in many respects as people had in 2005). Yes, he's not seen by everyone (like Wrex). Yes, there's plenty of the fanbase that prefers other people. Cid, Red XIII, Aeris, the list goes on. But him being the #2 FF7 party member at worst is obvious. Wrex being ridiculously stronger than Mordin is obvious, and it has been something I've always held to. He's *the* awesome badass krogan. He has a voice that sends chills down your spine. He has the most memorable scenes of the first game, and many more memorable throughout the series. Mordin simply cannot compete with him any more than Red XIII can compete with Vincent. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
KamikazePotato posted... I mean, I think people are underplaying the Wrex match. It makes absolutely no sense. Garrus would not do much better on Cecil than what Wrex did, if at all. On Reddit, yes, the Mass Effect subreddit. That makes two matches with huge numbers where an entrant got a reddit rally. Clearly we just need one more for a trend! |
Yeah
yeah, I'm sure there are Nintendo fans that will side with a horse over
actual Nintendo characters. I don't think they're the majority, though.
Not even Nintendo people are that weird. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Yeah, I'm not really arguing Mordin is #2, or even #3, just that he isn't some huge drop off from Wrex. I --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
KamikazePotato posted... Actually, looking at the votals - that match had huge numbers compared to other matches. Was there a rally somewhere? A 'rally'? There was a rally topic on the Mass Effect subreddit, but it only had 13 comments. I know there were a lot more people who saw the topic and voted without commenting on it, but I don't think it would have been enough to really generate more than 1000 votes at the most. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
I
don't think this site cared about Mass Effect in the slightest until 2
came out, really. I wouldn't have expected anyone that gets the lion's
share of their strength from 1 to be decent. Wrex is definitely a big standout in that game, though. Basically the only good character from 1. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Karma Hunter posted... ZFS posted...Your argument for Wrex has never been any good! It's amounted to 'you'll see!' and Otacon comparisons. Just doesn't make any real sense, unless it's dictated almost entirely by design, which isn't a terribly farfetched idea considering it's the only thing Hayabusa has to make him decent. Still not seeing it, doesn't have anything pointing to it, outside of Wrex being more 'badass.' And of course, he has the single most memorable exchange with the protagonist in the game. "Wrex." "Shepard." Admit it, you heard Wrex's voice when you read that. That's the power of good characterization for ya - I think we can all agree that ME1 was a game where the characters were sort of very vanilla and not very memorable for the most part, but Wrex really stood out. |
I
do think that Mordin would be a huge dropoff from Wrex. Mordin would
not come close to beating Cecil, and I doubt he beats Pit. You're really
overrating the guy - he comes from a huge ensemble cast where everyone
is fighting for attention. Mordin is the 'fan favorite', but there's a
lot more where that comes from. Design is very voter-unfriendly, too. He
looks like an annoying alien from Men in Black or something. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
much prefer ME1 to the rest of the series, personally, but I've never
known many other people to feel that way. It seems like anything related
to the fanbase always puts ME2 ahead. That also seemed to be the point
where the series started getting a lot more attention and getting more
popular. I guess if ME1 does have a bigger player and fanbase here than
I'm giving credit for, then maybe it's different, but didn't Shepard
really suck until ME2 came out? --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
KanzarisKelshen posted... Can you imagine a world where a fan effort can get ten thousand people to come in and turn the tides of a poll just because the right entrant was there? The idea is just baffling to me, but it would make contests super hard to predict in the best way, because suddenly, really wanting your guy to win matters beyond just giving him your vote and moral support. Oh, I can imagine that world all right. Except unlike you, it sounds more like a dystopia to me! A world in which characters that would naturally lose decisively to Chie can just turn on a switch and beat high midcarders in the right situations? I don't want any part of that! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? GotD (219/384) Melee v FFX |
Anyway,
going around the percentage got around on Niko, Epona would be as
strong as Sub-Zero, if you go by 2010 stats. Considering Sub-Zero
handled Garrus fairly easily, Epona should be able to handle Garrus and
Wrex. This is assuming Niko didn't weaken over the course of 3 years. He
could have weakened, but there's no real evidence out there that points
to this.... --- Drop it to the floor... |
2010
Niko would probably crush 2013 Niko, there is absolutely no comparison.
GTA fell off a cliff even more than the other western guys did. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
ZFS posted... I much prefer ME1 to the rest of the series, personally, but I've never known many other people to feel that way. It seems like anything related to the fanbase always puts ME2 ahead. That also seemed to be the point where the series started getting a lot more attention and getting more popular. I guess if ME1 does have a bigger player and fanbase here than I'm giving credit for, then maybe it's different, but didn't Shepard really suck until ME2 came out? As the ME series got more popular, ME1 also got more penetration. GameFAQs is the kind of voterbase that doesn't like to just pick up in the middle or at the end of the trilogy - virtually everyone who got into the ME series on this board, for example, has played through the entire trilogy and almost all of their primary files should be files where they saved Wrex. That's the kind of thing this site facilitates. Even if it's not the entire playerbase, those who played through ME1 and loved ME2 and 3 more (as I do), saw what Wrex did in those games. While his role in ME2 wasn't huge, it was very memorable, going to Tuchanka was a blast. And ME3 - Wrex and the Genophage is the highlight of the entire game. Simply spectacular. Mordin plays a very good role in the latter, but for GameFAQs' tastes he just can't compete. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Lopen posted... It depends how much of the ME fanbase is primarily from ME1. ME1 and Shepard weren't worth very much here until ME2 came; we saw it range from being thrashed by Halo 3 and losing to Sandbag to hanging close to Portal and not bring embarrassed by Pikachu. This poll also feels relevant, maybe: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4909 --- T H E S T A B L E - bring on Epona! http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg |
Yeah,
I have no doubt Niko is weaker now. How much weaker, I don't know, but I
don't believe for a second he's anything close to constant. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? GotD (219/384) Melee v FFX |
There's no evidence that GTA guys have weakened? Did you see the Vercetti match? --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
kinsho3 posted... Anyway, going around the percentage got around on Niko, Epona would be as strong as Sub-Zero, if you go by 2010 stats. Considering Sub-Zero handled Garrus fairly easily, Epona should be able to handle Garrus and Wrex. This is assuming Niko didn't weaken over the course of 3 years. He could have weakened, but there's no real evidence out there that points to this.... GTA did not at all stay constant. Comparing Niko to Vercetti, who is stronger than him, is what you should be going by - and Crash did about the same on Vercetti as Epona did on Niko. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
KamikazePotato posted... 2010 Niko would probably crush 2013 Niko, there is absolutely no comparison. GTA fell off a cliff even more than the other western guys did. No evidence. And using Vercetti falling down face-first against Crash is too much of a stretch. --- Drop it to the floor... |
I'm
truly baffled how you guys can extrapolate Niko's strength from
Vercetti's. Vercetti hasn't been relevant in ages. At least Niko was
relevant in the last generation. --- Drop it to the floor... |
HaRRicH posted... Lopen posted...It depends how much of the ME fanbase is primarily from ME1. Yeah, check it, that's probably at this point in time, at a minimum half of the ME series playerbase has completed the trilogy and been exposed to Wrex. Likely a lot more, as a good amount of those other options are gonna be ME1. He's got the exposure to do damage. --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
But
yeah, I don't think Mordin is going to amount to things. He's not in 1
(which, going by Wrex, is apparently important), 2 is a huge ensemble
cast, and while he has the best moment in 3, people kinda hated 3.
Design is vote unfriendly, not really known outside of the fanbase...I'm
honestly not sure where you're getting this respect for him. Maybe he
amounts to something, but evidence is saying "no" right now. The questions to really ask is where is Tali in this bracket. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
kinsho3 posted... I'm truly baffled how you guys can extrapolate Niko's strength from Vercetti's. Vercetti hasn't been relevant in ages. At least Niko was relevant in the last generation. ...do you remember what site you're on? --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
HaRRicH posted... ME1 and Shepard weren't worth very much here until ME2 came; we saw it range from being thrashed by Halo 3 and losing to Sandbag to hanging close to Portal and not bring embarrassed by Pikachu. Hmm. That's more than I figured would have played all three games. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
KamikazePotato posted... But yeah, I don't think Mordin is going to amount to things. He's not in 1 (which, going by Wrex, is apparently important), 2 is a huge ensemble cast, and while he has the best moment in 3, people kinda hated 3. Design is vote unfriendly, not really known outside of the fanbase...I'm honestly not sure where you're getting this respect for him. Maybe he amounts to something, but evidence is saying "no" right now. This got me wondering, are we sure Tali's good design would shine through in Round 1 and 2 contest pics? I'm not so sure, what with how tiny they tend to be. |
Man I don't even care if she wins or bombs or what I just wanna see her Talimancers unite, nominate Tali --- http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif Proud to share the same sig as Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) |
Niko's value from 2010 doesn't seem right to me anyway. Jill hasn't been a 28%-on-Link character since 2002. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
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