Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1109

#451 | Lopen | Posted 8/13/2013 11:19:16 PM | message detail
Well I wasn't saying "primarily ME1" to mean like... "people like ME1 and dislike/haven't played the others" as much as "people who like the series and thought ME1 was good"

Like I think as long as there's overlap between the latter and the whole series, Wrex should be pretty respectable.
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#452 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/13/2013 11:21:46 PM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
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I'm truly baffled how you guys can extrapolate Niko's strength from Vercetti's. Vercetti hasn't been relevant in ages. At least Niko was relevant in the last generation.


...do you remember what site you're on?


Using Vercetti to prove that Grand Theft Auto as a whole has fallen off a cliff is almost as silly as using Vincent to prove that Final Fantasy as a whole has fallen off a cliff.

Vice City is an older game that has receded within the depths of our collective memory around here. Grand Theft Auto IV is aging, but at least it was still relevant in the past half-decade.
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#453 | xp1337 | Posted 8/13/2013 11:19:39 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
HaRRicH posted...
ME1 and Shepard weren't worth very much here until ME2 came; we saw it range from being thrashed by Halo 3 and losing to Sandbag to hanging close to Portal and not bring embarrassed by Pikachu.

This poll also feels relevant, maybe:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4909


Hmm. That's more than I figured would have played all three games.

That was before ME1 had a PS3 release too, I think. It's possible that number has gone up a bit since then.
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#454 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:21:12 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
kinsho3 posted...
I'm truly baffled how you guys can extrapolate Niko's strength from Vercetti's. Vercetti hasn't been relevant in ages. At least Niko was relevant in the last generation.


...do you remember what site you're on?


Using Vercetti to prove that Grand Theft Auto as a whole has fallen off a cliff is almost as silly as using Vincent to prove that Final Fantasy as a whole has fallen off a cliff.

Vice City is an older game that has receded around these parts. Grand Theft Auto IV is aging, but at least it was still relevant in the past half-decade.


No. I mean.

What do you think GameFAQs cares about series being relevant????
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#455 | ZFS | Posted 8/13/2013 11:23:57 PM | message detail | (edited)
Also, how strong are people expecting Wrex to actually be? And where does that put Pit compared to his other appearances?
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#456 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/13/2013 11:26:03 PM | message detail
Forgot to ask
Did we lose the last zero bracket?
#457 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/13/2013 11:27:21 PM | message detail
Pre-match, I would've expected him to be a step above Mordin. Post-match I don't even know. That result was Garrus-level.
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#458 | Xuxon | Posted 8/13/2013 11:28:24 PM | message detail
Pit's only other appearance was an SFF massacre in 2008. no good value to use for him. Cecil is the one you have to judge by; i'd say he's about Ridley level maybe?
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#459 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/13/2013 11:29:03 PM | message detail
Meh, we'll see. Epona being around Sub Zero's level sounds about right to me.

Bow down to the horse before it's too late, people.
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#460 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/13/2013 11:29:12 PM | message detail
People actually remember Vice City with fondness, which is more than I can say about Niko and GTAIV. I'd take Vercetti easily in a battle of GTA protagonists.
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#461 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:29:21 PM | message detail
We don't have a good read on Pit because fanbase splits, but we know pre-Uprising he was a little above King Dedede - not too good. Cecil is a bit lower than Knuckles, but it's hard to know where he stands given we haven't had a good read on him in a lonnnnng while.

My instinct? Wrex is in that Alucard/Falcon low-middle tier. Obviously he could still surprise as we don't have any good reads, and next round will give cause for reevaluation.
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#462 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:30:34 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
Meh, we'll see. Epona being around Sub Zero's level sounds about right to me.

Bow down to the horse before it's too late, people.


Holy crap what is it with people and disrespecting Sub-Zero

How many upsets does he have to score
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#463 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/13/2013 11:30:41 PM | message detail
Cecil is around Knuckle's level. Knuckles seems like he's on the bridge between low midcarder status and midcarder status.
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#464 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/13/2013 11:31:27 PM | message detail
Weird Magikarp spike there. Only 15 votes away from a tied update.
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#465 | creativename | Posted 8/13/2013 11:31:28 PM | message detail
I love Epona, but she is not Sub-Zero level.
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#466 | ZFS | Posted 8/13/2013 11:33:18 PM | message detail
Yeah, I just noticed Pit got pretty screwed in his other matches, but I guess being equal to DeDeDe is special. I'm just interested, because I don't think the percentage between Wrex and Pit was that big (56%-ish?) and we're apparently kinda high on him right now, so I'm wondering how much Pit improved. Guess that's pretty impossible to tell.
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#467 | Lopen | Posted 8/13/2013 11:33:22 PM | message detail
Wrex being on the second tier of characters from this gen wouldn't surprise me

So basically somewhere between Altair and Nathan Drake seems about right. I don't know how fraudulent that makes Cecil's match with Knuckles look but yeah.
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#468 | Xuxon | Posted 8/13/2013 11:34:31 PM | message detail
From: Lopen | Posted: 8/14/2013 2:33:22 AM | #467
Wrex being on the second tier of characters from this gen wouldn't surprise me

So basically somewhere between Altair and Nathan Drake seems about right. I don't know how fraudulent that makes Cecil's match with Knuckles look but yeah.

i wouldn't say it does at all. i'd take Altair over Knuckles i think.
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#469 | Lopen | Posted 8/13/2013 11:35:38 PM | message detail
Knuckles losing to Altair seems kinda weird to me but it's an upset worth considering at least.
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#470 | ZFS | Posted 8/13/2013 11:36:08 PM | message detail
I think my sense of how 'good' many of these characters are is way off if we've been talking about Wrex amounting to nothing more than a little above Pac-Man
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#471 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:37:22 PM | message detail
I'd put him a touch above Altair myself, but nothing too crazy. Maybe Vivi level?

At any rate he should be solidly below Red but between fanbase splitting and the fact that he will stand out SO MUCH... yeah. One of my most anticipated R2 matches for sure now is Wario/Red/Wrex.
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#472 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/13/2013 11:39:23 PM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
People actually remember Vice City with fondness, which is more than I can say about Niko and GTAIV. I'd take Vercetti easily in a battle of GTA protagonists.


Possibly. We don't know for sure. Vercetti hasn't been in a contest for 6-7 years prior to this contest. Not sure who I'd take, but I'd lean towards Niko. GameFAQs isn't too kind toward characters that age beyond a certain point (see Sephiroth and Crono). I don't think a very 'casual' game like Vice City would stay too long in the good graces of the site's demographics, though I could be wrong.
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#473 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:39:54 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
I think my sense of how 'good' many of these characters are is way off if we've been talking about Wrex amounting to nothing more than a little above Pac-Man


There's really no way to tell yet... we don't have reads on almost everyone that's been involved so far. Wrex could have been dealing with a threepack of near fodder, low midcards, or even solid midcards (which would be CRAZY but hey I'm not ruling anything out).

The only thing I'm sure of is that he destroys Mordin <_<
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#474 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/13/2013 11:40:25 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
kinsho3 posted...
Meh, we'll see. Epona being around Sub Zero's level sounds about right to me.

Bow down to the horse before it's too late, people.


Holy crap what is it with people and disrespecting Sub-Zero

How many upsets does he have to score


Hey, Sub-Zero should be proud! He's as strong as Epona!
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#475 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/13/2013 11:40:45 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
People actually remember Vice City with fondness, which is more than I can say about Niko and GTAIV. I'd take Vercetti easily in a battle of GTA protagonists.


Possibly. We don't know for sure. Vercetti hasn't been in a contest for 6-7 years prior to this contest. Not sure who I'd take, but I'd lean towards Niko. GameFAQs isn't too kind toward characters that age beyond a certain point (see Sephiroth and Crono). I don't think a very 'casual' game like Vice City would stay too long in the good graces of the site's demographics, though I could be wrong.


I'd side with you, but I think GTA4 has already faded too.
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#476 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/13/2013 11:40:49 PM | message detail
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People are massively overrating what Smash meant for Samus. She was one of the most popular characters of the 8-bit era. And Super Metroid was legendary in the 16-bit era.

She also has an incredibly badass design that no doubt gives her a huge portion of her strength. If she was Generic McDudette her games and Smash would not make her strong. Her design is absolutely vital to her strength.

Smash helped her, but no doubt in my mind that even without Smash she would have been a top 15 character in 2K2.


From what I heard, Super Metroid wasn't all that big in its own time and only became a big deal later on. For all you know, without SSB the Metroid series would never have been resurrected.

She probably also gets a good deal of strength from being "the first lady of gaming" and voters thus respecting her as such.
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#477 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/13/2013 11:41:35 PM | message detail
Niko and Vercetti are probably about the same.

That also, by the way, puts Epona a little above Crash Bandicoot.
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#478 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/13/2013 11:44:38 PM | message detail
Doesn't it also put Jill Valentine and Sub-Zero a little below Crash Bandicoot? Which puts Garrus a little below Crash Bandicoot?

Which means Mordin >> Garrus?
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#479 | Lopen | Posted 8/13/2013 11:45:03 PM | message detail
Knuckles's strength always screws me up

Looking at the last year's stats he scored pretty low and really was just above Altair, which was about where I would've guessed he was in past years, at around 25% on BL. If I'd known stats put him around there I would've probably humored Wrex harder. (even though I realize the stats were speculative that year due to SFF)

Yet several years ago when he beat Magus he was around 29% on BL, and the only reason I didn't humor that is because I thought Knuckles was weaker than that.

So yeah. Screw you Knuckles.
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#480 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/13/2013 11:46:01 PM | message detail
If you think Niko 2010 = Niko 2013, yes.

If you think Niko 2010 = Niko 2013, then uuuuh
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#481 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/13/2013 11:46:02 PM | message detail
Oh btw glad we're still talking about Mass Effect because the "badass" Wrex is

LITERALLY STERILE BECAUSE OF MORDIN

good game yaaaaaaa'll it only took me 12 hours but I finally remembered that CRUSHER
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#482 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:46:11 PM | message detail
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Doesn't it also put Jill Valentine and Sub-Zero a little below Crash Bandicoot? Which puts Garrus a little below Crash Bandicoot?

Which means Mordin >> Garrus?


Uh... if you wanna assume a constant Niko and Vercetti, be my guest.
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#483 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:47:35 PM | message detail
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Oh btw glad we're still talking about Mass Effect because the "badass" Wrex is

LITERALLY STERILE BECAUSE OF MORDIN

good game yaaaaaaa'll it only took me 12 hours but I finally remembered that CRUSHER


Not sterile, actually, genophage drastically reduces birth rate but doesn't eliminate it. Given krogan rates of reproduction it's possible Wrex could have propagated even pre-ME3.
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#484 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/13/2013 11:49:23 PM | message detail
omg Mass Effect fans. This f***ing series has warped us back into 2003 GameFAQs where everything is an argument. I had more fun ensuring everyone that Squirtle was gonna beat Dante up.
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#485 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:50:46 PM | message detail
I ****ing loved 2003 GameFAQs

I got Kefka to the finals people who's with me
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#486 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/13/2013 11:51:16 PM | message detail
Kefka doesn't stand a chance against Magus the Link killer
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#487 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/13/2013 11:51:33 PM | message detail
2003, the year where people believed Magus and Luigi could beat Link.
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#488 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/13/2013 11:53:48 PM | message detail
Kefka to the finals is sounding better now that it ever has before!

All he has to do is get a laughing sprite to destroy Snake in Round 3 and then RSFF Cloud like he did Zack.
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#489 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/13/2013 11:57:00 PM | message detail
Makes sense, Cloud is just a blonde-haired Zack
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#490 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/14/2013 12:10:34 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Kefka to the finals is sounding better now that it ever has before!

All he has to do is get a laughing sprite to destroy Snake in Round 3 and then RSFF Cloud like he did Zack.


Laughing sprite doesn't quite have that punch without animation though...I don't suppose we can convince Bacon to take in .gif pics?
#491 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/14/2013 12:18:58 AM | message detail
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#492 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/14/2013 12:19:02 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Melodrama? Please, creativename. I'm not fabricating anything here. Why would I fake getting worked up over something like this? That'd be beyond sad. If I posted about this it's because I felt legitimately disgruntled, not because of wanting to stir other people up or something.

Your whole reaction is just way too over the top. Chill, man.

Also Epona is no joke! OoT players genuinely love that horse. Getting Epona is an awesome moment and having Epona changes the overworld completely.


Never mind that Epona appears in other Zelda games too. She isn't a whole lot less associable with the Zelda series than Ganondorf and Zelda are, and her numbers against Niko were around what Zelda and Ganondorf are projected to get (not that I would take Epona to be around the same strength level as those two - it's very possible that GTA just fell off a cliff. Or fell off ANOTHER cliff).
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#493 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/14/2013 12:25:51 AM | message detail
And there it is, Magikarp has gotten his first cut on Mega Man.
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#494 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/14/2013 12:30:08 AM | message detail
I'd take Vercetti over Niko, but mostly because Vercetti was stronger than CJ in CJ's one contest and because Vice City is more well-liked than 4 around here.

That puts Epona around the same level as Crash Bandicoot, which makes sense.
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#495 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/14/2013 2:43:26 AM | message detail
So I woke up and vote for the Karp.I didn't expected him to do so good.If he wasn't against a 1 seed he would win for sure.
1)48 people of the top 50 got the previous match wrong.First time I see such massacre.
2)Man the last 0 bracket failed.And in this division it is easy to see the last place character in each match.Oh well maybe next time.
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#496 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 4:01:29 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
Does anyone in the BOP or Guru have Wrex to round 3?


Oh, me! Me! I do!

Because I forgot to switch to Cecil before lockdown. Could be quite fortuitous!
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#497 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 4:20:10 AM | message detail
But yeah, looks like I'm late to the party and missed all the good discussion. Oh well!
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#498 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/14/2013 4:36:27 AM | message detail
Also, I don't expect Epona to hold up well next round at all. Board 8 holds a lot of nostalgic views that gamers in general don't, and I think they expect the rest of the site to have the same nostalgia. Epona's just a horse to most people, I'd wager.

Then again, I don't have nostalgia for either Zelda or Pokemon, so what do I know? Still holding out hope for Ike to round 3 paying off...!
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#499 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/14/2013 4:38:43 AM | message detail
Shaped like a horse...
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#500 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/14/2013 4:38:55 AM | message detail
... to trample some polls.
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