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Mega Man is so getting Flamethrower'd.
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Damnit

You people hyping Sissel talked me down to 4 points in this match instead of 6
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ZFS posted...

So what are we suggesting here? Does he best MMX with a face pic of this artwork instead? Over 45%? What? This seems crazy over a pic that is near identical.

Well do you think the guy in this match right now only barely beats Ocelot by less than half a percentage?
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Just for the record I could see Ocelot getting 70% here without too much issue as long as his pic wasn't bad. This pair of speedbumps has gotta be bottom 5 in the bracket.
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I don't really have anything to say, other than I can't really take anything from this match because Corvo and SIssel are total wimpolas...
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Sissel I could see, but there is no way that Corvo is bottom 5 of the bracket.
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Why are you all declaring that the pic is making Red overperform? Corvo and Sissel are both newbies and likely both fodder; you have no basis to declare that Red is being boosted by his picture.
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ZFS posted...

So what are we suggesting here? Does he best MMX with a face pic of this artwork instead? Over 45%? What? This seems crazy over a pic that is near identical.

Well, how much higher could X be here, really? 75%? 77%? I'd take the under on a 77% spread with a lot of confidence.

Unless we think MMX can absolutely Chester these two, Red has to have improved. and the picture seems like the simplest explanation to me.
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I'm not saying he is I'm saying that the collective pair is one of the easiest pairs in the bracket. Corvo's probably one step above turbo fodder but not much beyond that. That pic is doing him no favors because you can't actually see anything.
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Unless we think MMX can absolutely Chester these two, Red has to have improved. and the picture seems like the simplest explanation to me.

Let's not throw Chester around willy nilly.

MMX could easily be doing better here, these guys are no doubt terrible fodder
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Rad Link 5 posted...

Bee tee dubs, if you're around creativename, is there any chance you can have the poll updates on your site for the matches with altered final totals (such as Tifa's match) get one final update to reflect the actual final totals? I don't know how reasonable that request is without knowing how you've programmed those pages, but I tend to just look at your site when I want to quickly find the results of a previous match, and I sometimes forget when your site doesn't actually have the correct final numbers. So it'd be helpful to me, if no one else.

Right now the sorting is by total votes, rather than by time, so the order is wrong for matches with votes removed...I remember having some reason for that but I can't recall.

Won't be able to fix it til this weekend anyway, on a trip.
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Rad Link 5 posted...

Bee tee dubs, if you're around creativename, is there any chance you can have the poll updates on your site for the matches with altered final totals (such as Tifa's match) get one final update to reflect the actual final totals? I don't know how reasonable that request is without knowing how you've programmed those pages, but I tend to just look at your site when I want to quickly find the results of a previous match, and I sometimes forget when your site doesn't actually have the correct final numbers. So it'd be helpful to me, if no one else.

I already triggered a poll update for the 2 matches where votes were removed after the match ended.
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Rad Link 5 posted...

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/(5)Pokemon_Trainer_Red_vs_(12)Revolver_Ocelot_2010
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/(5)Pokemon_Trainer_Red_vs_(13)Mega_Man_X_2010
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5213

It could just be that Sissel and Corvo are like sub-Chester or something, but I wouldn't pick Ocelot to break 70% here.

There could always be other reasons. But the picture thing makes logical sense even to me, and I'm like one of the biggest arguers against pictures being huge difference makers.

Ocelot probably would be close to 70% against this crap.

I do think the RBY pics help Red, but the "competition" here is hardly worthy of the word. Ocelot would be destroying this poll too because no one knows who these other two are.

This isn't as bad as Mewtwo's competition, but it's pretty horrific.
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I don't think that anyone is saying that Brawl pics would affect this match, just that they might affect closer matches with stronger opponents.
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Eh, I dunno. I'm playing with the X-Stat Calculator, and I can't decide if these are reasonable or not without a boost. Using Red's x-stat value from 2010, this is what we get for the other two:

9.40% - Corvo
6.40% - Sissel

And using MMX's 2010 stat, he'd be expected to be doing this:
77.73% - Mega Man X
13.43% - Corvo
8.84% - Sissel

And Ocelot:
71.95% - Revolver Ocelot
16.99% - Corvo
11.07% - Sissel

I mean, I guess I don't disagree with MMX getting like 77.73%, but I can't see Ocelot hitting nearly 72%. For the record, Sissel's x-stat based on 2010 Red would place him well below Zero (999), Peacock, and hyper-LFF'd Wolf. And Corvo below such luminaries as Commander Keen, Ragna the Bloodedge, and Captain Viridion.

Obviously three-way x-stats and all that, but I mean the alternative is just sitting around guessing whether Ocelot breaks 71% on this match.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Brawl pics are officially considered pic sabotage now, right

Neither opponent of Red's has any reason to be strong -- at all -- and we've never seen either of them before, so there's nothing to even compare them to. This isn't so different from saying Mewtwo proves a Pokemon-boost due to how he killed 999-Zero and Chester. Great performance at face-value, but where's the proof?

You're not wrong, necessarily, but this isn't that definitive by itself.
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I'd take Ocelot to break 70% on these losers without a second thought.
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That's also assuming that stats are transitive, which we know they aren't. Recognizable characters like Mega Man and Red will blow out fodder better than guys like Ocelot, who don't have the near 100% playability rate that MM does.

This is a very okay performance that's perfectly in line with his previous contest appearances. Red is going to bow out in a distant third place in the third round, like he always was.

There's no pic factor or anything. Hell, I've never even heard of the games that either of these turbolosers are from, and there's only 5-10 characters in the whole bracket that are THAT obscure.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

That's also assuming that stats are transitive, which we know they aren't. Recognizable characters like Mega Man and Red will blow out fodder better than guys like Ocelot, who don't have the near 100% playability rate that MM does.

This is a very okay performance that's perfectly in line with his previous contest appearances. Red is going to bow out in a distant third place in the third round, like he always was.

There's no pic factor or anything. Hell, I've never even heard of the games that either of these turbolosers are from, and there's only 5-10 characters in the whole bracket that are THAT obscure.

Red is gonna lose to Wario?
......what?

Not counting the 5 Poohou and 15 Xenolame Chronicals characters
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wait nvm, misread that

Jeez Sissel is REALLY bad.

Like I expected Corvo to be this bad. Missile would cream him.
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still don't think he beats Cecil next round. Wario is going to hurt.
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Saw this pearl of wisdom from Lopen amongst the madness:

Lopen posted...

I still find Bacon's reluctance to give actual numbers about anything suspicious, though. Like "we caught 2:1 vote stuffing on Tidus's behalf" could mean the new "anti-bot" measures caught like 15 votes for all we know. It's also suspicious that vote intake at night was so high given the vote totals. It was outdrawing Link's match which had a cumulative vote total well over 1000 ahead at the time. It was outdrawing PW's match by over 100 votes per hour despite having a nearly identical cumulative vote total.

Basically it's pretty likely there are stuffed votes out there given evidence, and if you're not totally braindead like Team Touhou you're still probably not going to be caught. Does that mean Tidus wins without them? Not necessarily. But to just accept what Bacon said at face value when he's historically been very bad at giving a damn about this stuff and implementing new site features is naivete I think, especially considering how little details he's given.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sophisticated anti-bot technology was just blocking a few extra ip ranges from known proxy servers.

IMO people overstate Bacon's ability to:

1) catch stuffed votes, or even attempt to unless it's maddeningly obvious
2) do anything about them if it would alter the result

If nothing happened for Crono/Vincent 2, I have a tough time seeing anything ever happening.

Also there was an astonishingly blatant 500 votes stuffed for Cirno that were not removed beyond the 1000 that were, and if Bacon wasn't willing to remove such obvious stuffing in an utterly meaningless match, you really think he'd do it when it mattered? Bacon seems mostly content to rely on his "auto" measures and only tweak them every few years, without ever actually changing a meaningful result.

The only time when votes removed actually mattered was Kefka/Vercetti, which had IIRC like thousands of votes from China of all places, so that was just absurd and pitifully easy to spot stuffing. And those were also removed while the match was still happening - no standing result has ever been overturned, no matter how shaky (again: Crono/Vincent 2!).

Also there's no way Reimu and especially Draven didn't have tons of stuffing either. Reimu's trends were laughable, and Draven...well nothing need be said there.

Everyone also seems to be ignoring the fact that no votes were actually removed from Tidus. Tidus fans *attempted* to cheat, they never actually did so. Which means Bacon was comfortable that his anti-stuffing measures handled that, so Tidus never actually benefited. Whereas Missingno's trends were all over the place in that last hour, and highly suspect (to put it lightly).

Basically, don't put too much stock in anything Bacon says about stuffing. He has mostly a laissez-faire approach it would seem, and is typically nebulous about such things. We still don't get geolocation vote totals by region, supposedly because it would make it easier for a stuffer to know his success, even though in computer science "many sets of eyes" is always the dominant approach to spotting bugs. I doubt much cheating would evade the eyes of Luster!
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Did anyone ever make a mock up pic where they put Red's Pokemon art in that R2 pic from 2010, cause I swear to God that I saw a pic like that earlier this year, and was under the impression that that was the pic used. Have no clue why I thought this.
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If Bacon paid Luster, like, a dollar every day to look at detailed voting records then there would never be another stuffed vote ever again
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

KamikazePotato posted...

If Bacon paid Luster, like, a dollar every day to look at detailed voting records then there would never be another stuffed vote ever again

not a chance
it's only easy to find stuffed votes when they're in places that don't traditionally contribute much

has Madagascar gotten any votes yet
if they do should we SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Hell, I've never even heard of the games that either of these turbolosers are from, and there's only 5-10 characters in the whole bracket that are THAT obscure.

More like you've been out of touch with gaming for the past 2 years.

Dishonored is not really obscure. Being published by Bethesda gave it a decent amount of attention.
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Eh, I can see Corvo having some strength. I'd be very surprised if he was bottom of the barrel fodder here. Still fodder obviously, but there are probably a few newcomers and other fodder I wouldn't pick him over.

Dishonored had some hype according to past polls, and it did well in this poll:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4954


Plus it helps that Corvo is actually pretty likable.

Also why the hell does quoting and and edit's erase links. >_>
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Yeah I don't really get where this 'Corvo is turbofodder" sentiment came from. It just reminds me of when people that Adam Jensen was going to lose to a Touhou character. Western characters are not all the same, guys.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

has Madagascar gotten any votes yet
if they do should we SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING

Madagascar's voted in 27.14% of the matches thus far. Not exactly a "regular", but far from a "rarity", either.

Edit: Actually, we've already gotten something rarer than Madagascar. Even with this appearance, Zimbabwe's been in less than 10% of matches thus far!
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KamikazePotato posted...

Yeah I don't really get where this 'Corvo is turbofodder" sentiment came from. It just reminds me of when people that Adam Jensen was going to lose to a Touhou character. Western characters are not all the same, guys.

I'm guessing people are still hesitant to give credit, considering that most Western characters stunk it up?
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Adam Jensen was not that far from a Touhou character.

And Corvo is getting rocked hard by Red. Kerrigan lost to Missile, who would throttle Corvo.
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The final score of that match has Jensen getting 70%-ish on the Touhou.
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From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 8/13/2013 1:13:03 AM | #232

Yeah I don't really get where this 'Corvo is turbofodder" sentiment came from. It just reminds me of when people that Adam Jensen was going to lose to a Touhou character. Western characters are not all the same, guys.

well i mean... they were right this time. just look at the match.
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Well yeah, Corvo's going to be pretty bad, but people seriously thought he would lose to Sissel here! There's a big difference between being fodder and turbofodder!
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

i thought there was a chance; not that i thought Corvo would be any weaker than this, nor that Corvo would have any chance of losing 1v1, but that it could be a sort of Guybrush situation.
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creativename posted...

Basically, don't put too much stock in anything Bacon says about stuffing. He has mostly a laissez-faire approach it would seem, and is typically nebulous about such things. We still don't get geolocation vote totals by region, supposedly because it would make it easier for a stuffer to know his success, even though in computer science "many sets of eyes" is always the dominant approach to spotting bugs. I doubt much cheating would evade the eyes of Luster!

It is definitely possible for Bacon to give us vote totals by country. He would have to edit his poll maps to display the vote totals after the poll has been closed. We wouldn't see the vote totals for each country while the poll is still going on.


AxemRedRanger posted...

has Madagascar gotten any votes yet
if they do should we SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING

Madagascar has voted several times during this contest and most of those matches aren't even close matches or matches with suspected vote stuffing. Prior to the start of this contest, Madagascar had voted a total of 131 polls. I compiled a full list of countries that have voted in a GameFAQs poll and how many polls each country has voted in.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S0lNGiO3v8T-Gl3a6ItbDoHyfGTygMorjYMw2oNlODs/pub

That list doesn't include any matches from this contest and I don't plan to update the list until this contest ends.
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So how does the stats topic rank the Pokemon entrants we've seen thus far based on strength? It's pretty hard to do imo.

Pikachu > Red > Squirtle > Blue > Mewtwo > Missingno > Lugia > Jigglypuff I guess.

Zard should probably be stronger than Pikachu/Red, but I think it'll be close. Mewtwo's strength in particular is really hard to place, would he do better on Fox than Blue? Would he beat Tidus? Hard to say.

Fayt_Esteed posted...

KamikazePotato posted...

Yeah I don't really get where this 'Corvo is turbofodder" sentiment came from. It just reminds me of when people that Adam Jensen was going to lose to a Touhou character. Western characters are not all the same, guys.

I'm guessing people are still hesitant to give credit, considering that most Western characters stunk it up?

Every other generic Western protagonist from a post 2006 game in the BRACKET has bombed. Why would this guy be any different? Not sure what people are hoping to gain by overrating Pokemon yet again, but it will probably pay off in dividends next contest when we have another G/S/C vs Majora situation.
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I think Charizard should be #1. After that it's a bunch of tossups.
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jacko_vdz posted...

So how does the stats topic rank the Pokemon entrants we've seen thus far based on strength? It's pretty hard to do imo.

Pikachu > Red > Squirtle > Blue > Mewtwo > Missingno > Lugia > Jigglypuff I guess.

Zard should probably be stronger than Pikachu/Red, but I think it'll be close. Mewtwo's strength in particular is really hard to place, would he do better on Fox than Blue? Would he beat Tidus? Hard to say.

Mewtwo > Pikachu > Squirtle > Red > Blue > Misno > Jiggly > Lugia
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Charizard/Pikachu/Missingno (maybe not anymore)/Mewtwo/Squirtle/Blastoise/Trainers all have variable strength and each one could be the best on any given day. The verdict is still out on the Trainers of course, but they've looked quite good so far. They're probably a step behind the best Pokemon, but if someone wanted to put em on even footing, I wouldn't say anything.
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jacko_vdz posted...

So how does the stats topic rank the Pokemon entrants we've seen thus far based on strength? It's pretty hard to do imo.

Pikachu > Red > Squirtle > Blue > Mewtwo > Missingno > Lugia > Jigglypuff I guess.

Zard should probably be stronger than Pikachu/Red, but I think it'll be close. Mewtwo's strength in particular is really hard to place, would he do better on Fox than Blue? Would he beat Tidus? Hard to say.

I'm not sure what to think, especially on Mewtwo.
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huh that list
when North Korea finally gets a vote in on a poll, you KNOW something's up

KamikazePotato posted...

Well yeah, Corvo's going to be pretty bad, but people seriously thought he would lose to Sissel here! There's a big difference between being fodder and turbofodder!

I thought he would lose to Sissel because Sissel would be stronger. I was wrong about that
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I was really betting on Missile being stronger than Sissel due to joke votes and DogFAQs.
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