Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1106

#201 | FFDragon | Posted 8/12/2013 9:22:27 AM | message detail
So... about all those posts in the last hour about "I'd be just as upset if Tidus was the one stuffing."
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#202 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/12/2013 9:22:32 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
CJayC had terrible methods in place to prevent cheating, on top of only caring when it was 1 or 2 people proxy-stuffing. He loved "rallies".

KamikazePotato posted...
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If you think those are normal trends, I've got swampland in Florida to sell you. Bacon's inevitable "Fair, next" doesn't mean anything.


Oh, okay. Here's a few Tidus updates from earlier in the morning.

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5 minute updates are going to have "spikes" all over the place. Part of why we need 15 minute updates back is because 5 has made everyone think they're experts on cheating.


15 minute updates make that last hour look even worse. Tidus's variance evens out more or less, Missingno's does not.


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#203 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:22:37 AM | message detail
Frozon you don't get it.This site DOESN'T care for new games.Plain and simple.They care only if it has Mario or Link in it.If it doesn't then as all new games it sucks.Makes sense.
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#204 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:22:53 AM | message detail
I think this warrants the return of Infidel of the Week.
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#205 | xp1337 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:22:55 AM | message detail
Let's all move to a lighter topic.

Using this match and 2010 Missingno, how close can we get Magus to his 2003 value?

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#206 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/12/2013 9:23:08 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Tidus' updates are entirely normal and fall within a certain range. Missingno's was the first time anyone had gotten over 100 votes in an update since the second hour of the match, and he got well over 100. No, I'm sorry, I don't believe you.


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#207 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2013 9:23:08 AM | message detail
Oh, I have no doubt that Bacon caught probably caught a lot more stuffed Tidus vote than Missingno. Key word is caught. The whole "I can't explain these votes so I'm just going to say they came from reddit" sthick is getting old, though.
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#208 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/12/2013 9:23:27 AM | message detail
Guys stuffing for Tidus are probably the ones who always stuff for Crono and Frog in close matches.
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#209 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:23:30 AM | message detail
Tidus losing means no special Ammy > Squall hype. I'm sad. Don't think MIssingno can get to Squall's level easily, either.
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#210 | nintendogirl2 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:23:37 AM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
I already said that I literally wouldn't believe Bacon when he posted his 'fair, next'! Nothing to see here!


As opposed to Bacon literally saying Tidus stuffed? This is a far bolder "lie" than just saying "nothing happened".

Tin foil hats!

Get 'em while they're still for crazy people!
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#211 | voltch | Posted 8/12/2013 9:24:27 AM | message detail
SBallen should be posting using Red truth
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#212 | Whupassman | Posted 8/12/2013 9:24:41 AM | message detail
*opens his own stall*

Kleenex!

Diapers!

Nuclear Weapons!

Get 'em here while you're still pissed off!
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#213 | CP724 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:25:19 AM | message detail
lmao
#214 | nintendogirl2 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:26:28 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Oh, I have no doubt that Bacon caught probably caught a lot more stuffed Tidus vote than Missingno. Key word is caught. The whole "I can't explain these votes so I'm just going to say they came from reddit" sthick is getting old, though.


More votes were caught for Tidus than Missingno.

Missingno stuffers probably don't have a super-duper-secret method of stuffing that Tidus stuffers don't know about. Ergo; if there is stuffing getting through, than it's probably also in a 2-1 ratio in Tidus' favour.
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#215 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/12/2013 9:26:38 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
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If you think those are normal trends, I've got swampland in Florida to sell you. Bacon's inevitable "Fair, next" doesn't mean anything.


HA HA HA HA HA

KamikazePotato posted...
vcharon is a whiner, but he's basically right here.


HA HA HA HA HA

MegatokyoEd posted...
Hope Allen gives a response and says most of the stuffing was from Tidus for ultimate hilarity.


HA H--

Oh wait that one actually *is* hilarious.

Good show today, stats topic. Seriously, 100%. This was fun and worth getting up early for.
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#216 | SliceSabre | Posted 8/12/2013 9:26:44 AM | message detail
Tidus stuffing exposed. Wow. And he still loses!

This tastes so good it has to be fattening.
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#217 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/12/2013 9:26:45 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
Tidus losing means no special Ammy > Squall hype. I'm sad. Don't think MIssingno can get to Squall's level easily, either.


This is the lone downside. I'd have loved to have seen Amaterasu take it to Squall. =/
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#218 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/12/2013 9:27:01 AM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
Let's all move to a lighter topic.

Using this match and 2010 Missingno, how close can we get Magus to his 2003 value?

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Do you want us to use Seph 2k3 = Seph 2010? 'Cause I can get it a whole lot *higher*, if not closer.
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#219 | creativename | Posted 8/12/2013 9:27:03 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
A recounting of facts can't really "sound bad", but I can pull up old stats topics and old SMFFCC topics if you really want. There are legendary vcharon posts in there.

Who gives a damn about before? He's complaining about stuffing so bad a blind man could see it. Attacking him for that is beyond absurd.
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#220 | Achromatic | Posted 8/12/2013 9:27:05 AM | message detail
Hey Ulti:

Knock Knock
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#221 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2013 9:27:21 AM | message detail
You say that like Touhou people didn't just find a way to get around the supposedly ironclad security systems!
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#222 | Rad Link 5 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:28:05 AM | message detail
For the record, I actually believe Tidus cheaters outnumbered MissingNo. cheaters by that kind of margin. Tidus was never supposed to be in this match. And I didn't think the "joke would be over" after MissingNo. lost to Sephiroth last time. So if Allen says something that lines up with the result I actually expected better than what everyone here thinks, then yeah, I'm gonna believe that. Even if I'm the only one.
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#223 | voltch | Posted 8/12/2013 9:28:05 AM | message detail
Yeah I'm taking Lightning over Tidus, without his precious stuffed votes he's nuthing.
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#224 | xp1337 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:28:09 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
xp1337 posted...
Let's all move to a lighter topic.

Using this match and 2010 Missingno, how close can we get Magus to his 2003 value?

old square boost


Do you want us to use Seph 2k3 = Seph 2010? 'Cause I can get it a whole lot *higher*, if not closer.

Whatever it takes!

Magus > Crono > Pikachu let's get this train started
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#225 | nintendogirl2 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:28:28 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
You say that like Touhou people didn't just find a way to get around the supposedly ironclad security systems!


So Touhou fans can do it.

And Missingno. fans can do it.

But Tidus fans can't?
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#226 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/12/2013 9:28:45 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
A recounting of facts can't really "sound bad", but I can pull up old stats topics and old SMFFCC topics if you really want. There are legendary vcharon posts in there.

Who gives a damn about before? He's complaining about stuffing so bad a blind man could see it. Attacking him for that is beyond absurd.


Yeah, cheating in Tidus's favor!

HA HA HA HA HA
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#227 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:29:10 AM | message detail
Tidus Truthers...

Now I've seen everything!
#228 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/12/2013 9:29:14 AM | message detail
nintendogirl2 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Oh, I have no doubt that Bacon caught probably caught a lot more stuffed Tidus vote than Missingno. Key word is caught. The whole "I can't explain these votes so I'm just going to say they came from reddit" sthick is getting old, though.


More votes were caught for Tidus than Missingno.

Missingno stuffers probably don't have a super-duper-secret method of stuffing that Tidus stuffers don't know about. Ergo; if there is stuffing getting through, than it's probably also in a 2-1 ratio in Tidus' favour.


Yeah. I think it says a lot that people see Missingno's "stuffers" as evil genii who can control and manipulate polls in ways other "stuffers" won't know about. That is how villainous Missingno fans have become; they are now seen as crafty, professional-standard cheaters that can evade Allen seemingly at will - while the hapless, "underdog" Tidus stuffers get sadly and tragically exposed.
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#229 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/12/2013 9:29:26 AM | message detail
Rad Link 5 posted...
For the record, I actually believe Tidus cheaters outnumbered MissingNo. cheaters by that kind of margin. Tidus was never supposed to be in this match. And I didn't think the "joke would be over" after MissingNo. lost to Sephiroth last time. So if Allen says something that lines up with the result I actually expected better than what everyone here thinks, then yeah, I'm gonna believe that. Even if I'm the only one.


I'm more curious how long this 2:1 ratio went on.
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#230 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2013 9:29:47 AM | message detail
Yes! Missingno fans are exactly the kind of people to be insane enough to do something like that.
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#231 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/12/2013 9:30:09 AM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
nintendogirl2 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Oh, I have no doubt that Bacon caught probably caught a lot more stuffed Tidus vote than Missingno. Key word is caught. The whole "I can't explain these votes so I'm just going to say they came from reddit" sthick is getting old, though.


More votes were caught for Tidus than Missingno.

Missingno stuffers probably don't have a super-duper-secret method of stuffing that Tidus stuffers don't know about. Ergo; if there is stuffing getting through, than it's probably also in a 2-1 ratio in Tidus' favour.


Yeah. I think it says a lot that people see Missingno's "stuffers" as evil genii who can control and manipulate polls in ways other "stuffers" won't know about. That is how villainous Missingno fans have become; they are now seen as crafty, professional-standard cheaters that can evade Allen seemingly at will - while the hapless, "underdog" Tidus stuffers get sadly and tragically exposed.


WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE MAKING ME LAUGH SO HARD.
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#232 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/12/2013 9:30:13 AM | message detail
nintendogirl2 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Oh, I have no doubt that Bacon caught probably caught a lot more stuffed Tidus vote than Missingno. Key word is caught. The whole "I can't explain these votes so I'm just going to say they came from reddit" sthick is getting old, though.


More votes were caught for Tidus than Missingno.

Missingno stuffers probably don't have a super-duper-secret method of stuffing that Tidus stuffers don't know about. Ergo; if there is stuffing getting through, than it's probably also in a 2-1 ratio in Tidus' favour.


This doesn't logically follow. The amount of stuffers is undoubtedly very low (their attempts to *vote* are another thing). There's not a large enough sample size to draw this kind of conclusion between stuffers who could theoretically bypass the defenses and those that could not.

Regardless, it's not the match at large rather than the final updates, which Bacon does acknowledge as suspect enough to spell out where they came from: reddit. If this is true, then the complaining is for naught, but it is... difficult to square with the results we've seen over the years.
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#233 | Rad Link 5 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:30:28 AM | message detail
Also I'm really sad this means no Ammy > Squall hype. Though I guess it's better I get that notion out of my mind now instead of waiting to watch my hopes crushed come the actual match.
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#234 | voltch | Posted 8/12/2013 9:30:28 AM | message detail
lol Creeper.
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#235 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2013 9:30:35 AM | message detail
Evading Allen really isn't that hard. Touhou fans literally waved thousands of stuffed votes in his face several times before he caught it.
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#236 | Achromatic | Posted 8/12/2013 9:30:38 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Yes! Missingno fans are exactly the kind of people to be insane enough to do something like that.


I don't think you know what insane means. Do you perhaps mean clever and shrewd? <_<.
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#237 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:31:29 AM | message detail
I told Tidus not to take the Goers' on with underhand tactics. He wouldn't listen. Bang him up, guv'nor.
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#238 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/12/2013 9:31:43 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Yes! Missingno fans are exactly the kind of people to be insane enough to do something like that.


wow kp my post was kind of deliberately exaggerated >_>
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#239 | nintendogirl2 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:32:25 AM | message detail
Can I just point out before I go home now - The King is at 20%.

Jesus f***ing wept.
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#240 | Kinglicious | Posted 8/12/2013 9:32:45 AM | message detail
Oh missingno wins next round too, by more. The more even the polls by the competition, the better. Voting block for him is solid.
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#241 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/12/2013 9:33:22 AM | message detail
lol so much butthurt over that last match
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#242 | CasanovaZelos | Posted 8/12/2013 9:33:32 AM | message detail
But seriously, this contest is going to have the best x-stats ever.
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#243 | Regaro_Ukiera | Posted 8/12/2013 9:34:08 AM | message detail
#244 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/12/2013 9:34:24 AM | message detail
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Man, to think I had Creeper in Round 3 at one point.

Glad to see Wario kicking ass. And people thought that his Wario Ware look was going to hurt him.


Yeah, pretty sure I originally had Creeper > Red > Pit and only switched over to Red in my bracket because I switched over from Pit to Cecil.

...No, wait, that can't be right. I never had Pit in my bracket; I originally had Wrex. So maybe I never had Creeper in R3.
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#245 | Whupassman | Posted 8/12/2013 9:34:37 AM | message detail
Guess retirement can wait if this kind of thing happens a lot more!
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#246 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/12/2013 9:34:55 AM | message detail
Why? Tidus isn't going to have people stuffing for him effectively. He's a mainstream Square character that's easy to anti-vote. The best stuffers have are going to be the people for weird stuff like Touhou.
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#247 | RPGlord95 | Posted 8/12/2013 9:35:14 AM | message detail
This topic is making my work day fly by with laughs. Thank you Ulti and Charon for your excellent back and forth. Even if it's totally one sided
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#248 | creativename | Posted 8/12/2013 9:35:39 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
creativename posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
A recounting of facts can't really "sound bad", but I can pull up old stats topics and old SMFFCC topics if you really want. There are legendary vcharon posts in there.

Who gives a damn about before? He's complaining about stuffing so bad a blind man could see it. Attacking him for that is beyond absurd.


Yeah, cheating in Tidus's favor!

HA HA HA HA HA

I said hours before that if Tidus stuffers were caught, it meant Mizno stuffers were better.

That's not shocking considering the Mizno shenanigans in the last contest which they did nothing about. If they couldn't find it then, why would you think they'd find it now?

If you think those two 100+ updates near the end were legit I have a bridge to sell you.
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#249 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/12/2013 9:35:58 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Why? Tidus isn't going to have people stuffing for him effectively. He's a mainstream Square character that's easy to anti-vote. The best stuffers have are going to be the people for weird stuff like Touhou.


The best stuffers this contest has ever seen are Chrono Trigger fans.
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#250 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/12/2013 9:36:26 AM | message detail
I think we've seen at any rate that Missingno's base of support now is weak anyway, though, so next match is gonna be unremarkable regardless unless the same kind of thing put Sephiroth on Yoshi's level happens again. Barely garnering 40% of the vote against Tidus and Banjo is really, really soft support; dedication from the true believers are not really gonna matter.
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