Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1103

#201 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/11/2013 1:34:50 PM | message detail
Lion and Wolf LFF, duh
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#202 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 1:35:38 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
The Real Truth posted...
Rayman is stronger than Vyse. Ammy is actually pretty strong though. The problem is Ammy is going to hold down Squall and Missingo is going to take first in that match, as much as that saddens me.


Wait, why does Amaterasu and Squall overlap? Sounds like video game overlap to me!


Video game overlap, Link no chance against Batman in a multiway contest
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#203 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 1:35:44 PM | message detail
Ammy is a wolf, Squall's moniker is the heart of a lion.

Animal LFF IMO
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#204 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/11/2013 1:35:57 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
The Real Truth posted...
Rayman is stronger than Vyse. Ammy is actually pretty strong though. The problem is Ammy is going to hold down Squall and Missingo is going to take first in that match, as much as that saddens me.


Wait, why does Amaterasu and Squall overlap? Sounds like video game overlap to me!


Being from Sony consoles I guess? That's pretty lol-worthy, but like I mentioned in my previous post, TRT is the same guy who suggested that Claire would hold down Yuna enough to allow Chief through.
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#205 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 1:36:01 PM | message detail
Damnit noob
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#206 | ZFS | Posted 8/11/2013 1:36:59 PM | message detail
Video game overlap strikes again but Link will just VGSFF in a multiway.
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#207 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/11/2013 1:59:56 PM | message detail
No. What you guys are saying is just untenable. Either you're saying that Mario actually RSSFed Link in 2002 and that the beatdown should have been much worse or that Sephiroth would have 55/45d Link had they met in 2003 (depending on how much you think Link SFFed Mario in 2002), a complete reversal of the 2002 result. Neither of those makes any sense at all.

You don't need to bring out RSFF to explain strange matches. I mean, really?

2002-2004 Mario was like Sephiroth is now. Fairly strong but can't hang with the top dogs in a fair match, gets anti-voted a lot, does poorly against weak characters, is vulnerable to letting characters hang with him that by common sense absolutely shouldn't (Mainly Shadow the Hedgehog but "FREAKING MARIO" really shouldn't have ever been in position to go even with Crono in the first place), and even controversial in many of his wins. Granted, some Mario wins involved him possibly needing cheating to just barely take him over the top, while Sephiroth is controversial because of "FFVII always wins", but them's the breaks!

As KH said, Mario probably took the heat for stealing a win in Mario/Crono II and so in Mario/Sephiroth 2003, Mario did more poorly than expected. Mario might also have just been weaker in 2003 than he was in 2002. In Mario/Crono I, Crono was likely benefiting from fresh outrage from Mario/Cloud, so I'd guess him still hanging there in 2003 probably implies a Mario drop, a Crono boost, both, or 2002-2004 Mario just being weird.

The Link/Mario 2002 final is strange too, but unless you'd contend 2002 Mario > 2010 Mario, you have to come up with something. I can think of several explanations. Mario was actually the bracket favorite in the first contest which might have helped. We've seen strange matches in finals that don't come down to Zelda vs. FFVII at least back as 2003, when a Sephiroth fuelled by vengeance-craving Zelda fans came pretty close to Cloud, so something strange could have happened in the 2002 final as well. And since Mario Sunshine came out during Mario/Cloud, it would have still been very new by the finals. Maybe Nintendo fans were feeling good about Mario because of the new game and he didn't get SFFed. Or just more Mario fans than normal around then because of Sunshine. I dunno!

And frankly, "lol Sephiroth is Mario's kryptonite" doesn't sound like any better of an explanation to me than RSFF!
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#208 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 2:03:15 PM | message detail
If Sephiroth ever crushes Mario again after everything we've seen I'm grabbing onto the kryptonite theory and never letting go
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#209 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 2:06:51 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
If Sephiroth ever crushes Mario again after everything we've seen I'm grabbing onto the kryptonite theory and never letting go


*Mario beats Cloud only to lose to Sephiroth next round*
#210 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/11/2013 2:53:57 PM | message detail
lol @ sephiroth beating anyone noteworthy ever again. When he lost to snake it was the end for him. Mario would crush him.
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#211 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 2:57:54 PM | message detail
votals are awful this match, aren't they....
#212 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/11/2013 3:02:36 PM | message detail
this first round has been horribly slow. Can't wait for the more interesting rounds.
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#213 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 3:05:01 PM | message detail
I didn't realize Snake beating characters was such a death knell for their contest chances. You guys are gonna be real down on Samus and Mario when he beats them, too, huh?
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#214 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 3:05:24 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
this first round has been horribly slow. Can't wait for the more interesting rounds.


well to be fair, this format makes the first round take around 60% of the whole contest
#215 | The_Djoker | Posted 8/11/2013 3:10:02 PM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
I didn't realize Snake beating characters was such a death knell for their contest chances. You guys are gonna be real down on Samus and Mario when he beats them, too, huh?


Snake will never beat Mario on this site, probably Samus if she gets a few more garbage Other M games but all in all the popularity of Seph has gone down. He shouldn't be talked about seriously for anything anymore.
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#216 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/11/2013 3:10:40 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I didn't realize Snake beating characters was such a death knell for their contest chances. You guys are gonna be real down on Samus and Mario when he beats them, too, huh?


I dunno. Maybe it is a death knell. Bowser hasn't done as well since then!
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#217 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 3:10:43 PM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
Snake will never beat Mario on this site


KH, your response?
#218 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 3:14:07 PM | message detail
Ammy with the amazing 11111 vote total!
#219 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 3:16:48 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
The_Djoker posted...
Snake will never beat Mario on this site


KH, your response?


*ahem*

im mad
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#220 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 3:19:13 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I didn't realize Snake beating characters was such a death knell for their contest chances. You guys are gonna be real down on Samus and Mario when he beats them, too, huh?


I dunno. Maybe it is a death knell. Bowser hasn't done as well since then!


Pikachu is so screwed.
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#221 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/11/2013 3:25:24 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
GloryChaos posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I didn't realize Snake beating characters was such a death knell for their contest chances. You guys are gonna be real down on Samus and Mario when he beats them, too, huh?


I dunno. Maybe it is a death knell. Bowser hasn't done as well since then!


Pikachu is so screwed.


Crono > Magus > Pikachu is a lock! And let's not forget poor Tanner. He was never seen again in another contest!
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#222 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 3:28:47 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
GloryChaos posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I didn't realize Snake beating characters was such a death knell for their contest chances. You guys are gonna be real down on Samus and Mario when he beats them, too, huh?


I dunno. Maybe it is a death knell. Bowser hasn't done as well since then!


Pikachu is so screwed.


you were supposed to say that Snake beating Link in the final was the death knell for ZeldaFAQs
#223 | ZFS | Posted 8/11/2013 3:32:28 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I didn't realize Snake beating characters was such a death knell for their contest chances. You guys are gonna be real down on Samus and Mario when he beats them, too, huh?


Mario whoops!
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#224 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/11/2013 3:32:43 PM | message detail
Take a look at Squall he would have been a noble nine buster had he not gone up to Snake in 2002, what's worse Snake keeps coming back to make sure Squall never gets a second wind.
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#225 | SonicRaptor | Posted 8/11/2013 3:47:09 PM | message detail
The only way Snake can beat Samus is if Nintendo flat-out forgets to make Metroid sequels or releases a couple more Other M-level disasters to sour her on the current gaming generation.

Then again, Samus 2002 was pre-Metroid Prime (though it was incoming and was very highly anticipated not to mention the SSB boosts) and she still excelled.
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#226 | SonicRaptor | Posted 8/11/2013 3:48:31 PM | message detail
Also, anyone else looking forward to the prediction percentages for this round? Ammy is a huge casual bracket breaker and I expect to see less than half of brackets picking him.
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#227 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 3:51:37 PM | message detail
SonicRaptor posted...
Also, anyone else looking forward to the prediction percentages for this round? Ammy is a huge casual bracket breaker and I expect to see less than half of brackets picking him.


*her
also didn't Snake do better against Cloud than Samus in 2010?
#228 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/11/2013 4:06:21 PM | message detail
While she breaks casual brackets I don't think she will hurt them too badly, no one really knows the other two plus she is the top seed, I'll be surprised if she fell below 60%.
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#229 | dethfdddddh | Posted 8/11/2013 4:11:40 PM | message detail
SonicRaptor posted...
The only way Snake can beat Samus is if Nintendo flat-out forgets to make Metroid sequels or releases a couple more Other M-level disasters to sour her on the current gaming generation.

Then again, Samus 2002 was pre-Metroid Prime (though it was incoming and was very highly anticipated not to mention the SSB boosts) and she still excelled.


or this thing called mgs 5
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#230 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/11/2013 4:25:15 PM | message detail
dethfdddddh posted...
SonicRaptor posted...
The only way Snake can beat Samus is if Nintendo flat-out forgets to make Metroid sequels or releases a couple more Other M-level disasters to sour her on the current gaming generation.

Then again, Samus 2002 was pre-Metroid Prime (though it was incoming and was very highly anticipated not to mention the SSB boosts) and she still excelled.


or this thing called mgs 5


Gamefaqs users should be smart enough to know the difference between Big Boss and Solid Snake.
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#231 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 4:27:11 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...


Gamefaqs users should be smart enough to know the difference between Big Boss and Solid Snake.


funny, Big Boss has one of the biggest swings depending on how close his pic looks to Snake

....by the way, this match is tracking behind the Gilgamesh match for vote totals
ouch
#232 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/11/2013 4:27:17 PM | message detail
What if you haven't play any MGS games like me?I am confused why there are characters that have similar names and looks too.
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#233 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/11/2013 4:36:59 PM | message detail | (edited)
Amaterasu crushes the poll, posting what I believe is the sixth highest round one percentage so far, behind Mewtwo, Big Boss, Link, Snake and Samus. But while the sun-god was smiling, Vyse couldn't even come close to doubling Adol Christin. At least he didn't draw Guybrush, is all I can say.

Round 1, Match 69

(8) Missingno
(11) Tidus
(20) Banjo

Tidus was knocked out by the Cube in 2008 and he'll be hard pushed to avoid the same fate at the hands of the Poke-joke here. Missingno has looked extremely dangerous in every poll it's been in, from its vote-in to beating Crono, edging Yoshi and narrowly losing to Sephiroth. While I think there's likely an element of "playing to its opponent's level" going on in its 2010 matches, I think you can make a fair guess that its innate strength is about that of a near-elite. Even if that overrates him a bit, he should still have no problem beating Tidus.

Banjo probably gets about the same on Missingno as he got on Pikachu, perhaps a little better. Let's go with...

Bracket: Missingno
Expert: Missingno > Tidus > Banjo
Oracle: Missingno - 46%; Tidus - 37%; Banjo - 17%
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#234 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/11/2013 4:52:26 PM | message detail
I just received a PM from someone who claims to have vote stuffed for both Cirno and Marisa. Here is a screenshot of the PM:

http://i.imgur.com/EnJJfW6.png

In that PM, he links to a personal blog that he owns. Here is the link to his personal blog:

http://zopharfaqs.wordpress.com/

Right now, I am trying to get in contact with him by email to get more information about his vote stuffing activities.
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#235 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 4:55:04 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
I just received a PM from someone who claims to have vote stuffed for both Cirno and Marisa. Here is a screenshot of the PM:

http://i.imgur.com/EnJJfW6.png

In that PM, he links to a personal blog that he owns. Here is the link to his personal blog:

http://zopharfaqs.wordpress.com/

Right now, I am trying to get in contact with him by email to get more information about his vote stuffing activities.


whoa
that Draven section
gg, Mega Man X>Ryu>Draven
#236 | jacko_vdz | Posted 8/11/2013 4:56:12 PM | message detail
Damn Ammy is killing this! When I did my oracle I only put him at 55% because I had Squall getting 65%, and I assumed Vyse/Adol would be about the same or even stronger than Rayman/Video.

Good to see a semi-recent (I use the term loosely) character doing so well!
#237 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/11/2013 4:58:39 PM | message detail
Why didn't that c*** stuff Garrus? Son of a b****.
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#238 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 4:59:11 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
dethfdddddh posted...
SonicRaptor posted...
The only way Snake can beat Samus is if Nintendo flat-out forgets to make Metroid sequels or releases a couple more Other M-level disasters to sour her on the current gaming generation.

Then again, Samus 2002 was pre-Metroid Prime (though it was incoming and was very highly anticipated not to mention the SSB boosts) and she still excelled.


or this thing called mgs 5


Gamefaqs users should be smart enough to know the difference between Big Boss and Solid Snake.


Are you kidding me? GameFAQs users can't even tell who Snake *is* when he's got a sprite. There's a reason Snake snagged an MGS3 boost.
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#239 | jacko_vdz | Posted 8/11/2013 5:01:25 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
I just received a PM from someone who claims to have vote stuffed for both Cirno and Marisa. Here is a screenshot of the PM:

http://i.imgur.com/EnJJfW6.png

In that PM, he links to a personal blog that he owns. Here is the link to his personal blog:

http://zopharfaqs.wordpress.com/

Right now, I am trying to get in contact with him by email to get more information about his vote stuffing activities.


Damn.
#240 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/11/2013 5:02:25 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
I just received a PM from someone who claims to have vote stuffed for both Cirno and Marisa. Here is a screenshot of the PM:

http://i.imgur.com/EnJJfW6.png

In that PM, he links to a personal blog that he owns. Here is the link to his personal blog:

http://zopharfaqs.wordpress.com/

Right now, I am trying to get in contact with him by email to get more information about his vote stuffing activities.


Screw Vlado, Luster is the resident journalist.
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#241 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/11/2013 5:05:20 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
whoa
that Draven section
gg, Mega Man X>Ryu>Draven


This guy talks about how they stopped vote stuffing after Draven had a large enough lead to win, yet Draven continued gaining percentage for the entire match after this "rumored" vote stuffing had stopped. During the match, there were only 5 updates after 2:05 AM where Draven actually went down in percentage.
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#242 | tgs2 | Posted 8/11/2013 5:09:20 PM | message detail
If his stuffing rate is to be believed (3600 every 12 hours) and he actually expended all of his effort there, then Jak would have won, but by around 300 or so votes so that European voting was still legit.
#243 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/11/2013 5:09:56 PM | message detail
It's quite clear Draven benefited from his rally even if he was stuffed.
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#244 | dethfdddddh | Posted 8/11/2013 5:11:15 PM | message detail
jacko_vdz posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
I just received a PM from someone who claims to have vote stuffed for both Cirno and Marisa. Here is a screenshot of the PM:

http://i.imgur.com/EnJJfW6.png

In that PM, he links to a personal blog that he owns. Here is the link to his personal blog:

http://zopharfaqs.wordpress.com/

Right now, I am trying to get in contact with him by email to get more information about his vote stuffing activities.


Damn.


it's

CjayC
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#245 | LOLContests | Posted 8/11/2013 5:14:45 PM | message detail
George Romero also took credit for stuffing in the most infamous matches of years past.

He claimed to have stuffed for Samus against Sonic, Mario against Crono in 2002 and 2003, and Crono against Mario in 2004. He also claimed he was stuffing against Starcraft, but that there was a more powerful force stuffing on the opposite end, a tactic this guy appears to be using too, in not taking credit for everything.
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#246 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 5:14:53 PM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
If his stuffing rate is to be believed (3600 every 12 hours) and he actually expended all of his effort there, then Jak would have won, but by around 300 or so votes so that European voting was still legit.


3600 for him alone
according to him, there were 5-6 people total
even assuming there's only 4 other scrubs who stuffed only 1000 votes combined the whole match, that is a relatively large margin for Jak
#247 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 5:15:39 PM | message detail
on the other hand, I'm not buying some of the later matches (i.e. Missile)
#248 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/11/2013 5:17:57 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
I just received a PM from someone who claims to have vote stuffed for both Cirno and Marisa. Here is a screenshot of the PM:

http://i.imgur.com/EnJJfW6.png

In that PM, he links to a personal blog that he owns. Here is the link to his personal blog:

http://zopharfaqs.wordpress.com/

Right now, I am trying to get in contact with him by email to get more information about his vote stuffing activities.


Judging by the characters he stuffed, it seems I was correct in my earlier assumption that it was some weirdo pervert with way too much time on his hands.

Hope Bacon continues erasing this assclown's votes
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#249 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/11/2013 5:21:45 PM | message detail
So Catherine/Neku would have been the closest wire-to-wire match in history if it weren't for this dude? The match had never gone beyond a 94 vote lead iirc.
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#250 | Sorozone | Posted 8/11/2013 5:24:41 PM | message detail
Not sure I completely buy into everything he is saying. He probably did stuff some of those(Touhou for instance), others it just seems he is taking credit for it because after the stuffing incident rose, we talked about other possible matches that may have been affected by it(Missile, Tharja, Draven, Catherine, ect).

So he could have very well just glossed over that when we were discussing it and he just 'happened' to stuff those too.

In any case, rest of the matches need to be watched. I don't want tainted wins.
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