Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1103

#101 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/11/2013 9:31:32 AM | message detail
I can't see Vyse being below Eddie Riggs. That just doesn't feel right.
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#102 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/11/2013 9:32:15 AM | message detail
Poor Ys

Only played I/II,but thats more than enough to make me vote him over Vyse and HHHHHH
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#103 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 9:33:25 AM | message detail
Ultimaphazon posted...
I can't see Vyse being below Eddie Riggs. That just doesn't feel right.


Could be a stronger Ammy, too, but that makes Vyse look better so I'll ignore it.
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#104 | Wanglicious | Posted 8/11/2013 9:33:44 AM | message detail
Adol and Vyse should share some good overlap between 'em. not that it'd help much how on badly they're both doing, but still.
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#105 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/11/2013 9:34:53 AM | message detail
Amaterasu's pretty strong, actually. She's pretty much the only character to have debuted after CBII that's a midcarder (Sora debuted after CBI, but before CBII).
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#106 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 9:35:25 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Amaterasu's pretty strong, actually. She's pretty much the only character to have debuted after CBII that's a midcarder (Sora debuted after CBI, but before CBII).


Shepard?
#107 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/11/2013 9:36:01 AM | message detail
Going to a 2 weeks trip overseas...I hope I will have access to Wifi here and there to update my expert picks!
Sadly it has to happen before Missingo/Tidus I really want to know how the glitch will do
#108 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 9:37:35 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Amaterasu's pretty strong, actually. She's pretty much the only character to have debuted after CBII that's a midcarder (Sora debuted after CBI, but before CBII).


Uh, Kratos is above her by quite a bit.
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#109 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 9:44:44 AM | message detail
Actually, yeah, if we were to make the list of people who debuted after the first character battle who are midcarders or stronger...

Sora
Riku
Amaterasu
Commander Shepard
Garrus Vakarian
Kratos (God of War)
Phoenix Wright


Possibly GlaDOS, Bayonetta, The Boss & Nathan Drake as low midcard. Possibly Draven, when rallied. Big Daddy would have qualified before this year.

I know I'm probably missing someone?
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#110 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/11/2013 9:46:56 AM | message detail
I would argue for Midna on the basis of 38% on Sora being fairly decent... but she's looked awful in most of her other matches so I'm not too fussed.
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#111 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/11/2013 9:48:57 AM | message detail
Why is Ammy so good in these contests?I don't get it.Has anyone played her games?
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#112 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 9:49:40 AM | message detail
gogo Ammy power hour, keep climbing in percentage!
#113 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/11/2013 9:50:01 AM | message detail
Midna's borderline. But you're right, I completely forgot about Kratos. He probably is above Amaterasu, too.

Don't know if I'd say he's above her by quite a bit, though!
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#114 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/11/2013 9:50:13 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
Why is Ammy so good in these contests?I don't get it.Has anyone played her games?


Why wouldn't people have played Okami?
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#115 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 9:50:15 AM | message detail
People on Board 8 especially LOVED Okami. Think it was well-received elsewhere on the site too. I've only ever heard good things about it.
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#116 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/11/2013 9:50:33 AM | message detail
Okami did this in GOTD, so her games must have a halfway decent playrate:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4167

But her design surely helps her a lot.
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#117 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 9:50:47 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
I would argue for Midna on the basis of 38% on Sora being fairly decent... but she's looked awful in most of her other matches so I'm not too fussed.


30% on today's Sephiroth is pretty bad. I think she used to be midcarder, but now qualifies as high fodder.
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#118 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/11/2013 9:52:20 AM | message detail
Okami is a fantastic game. Anyone who hasn't played it should remedy that ASAP.
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#119 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 9:52:48 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Midna's borderline. But you're right, I completely forgot about Kratos. He probably is above Amaterasu, too.

Don't know if I'd say he's above her by quite a bit, though!


Amaterasu's beaten up on, like, Shadow... Kratos posted 45% on Charizard in a day match. He might be weaker now but as of at least the last contest he was definitely much stronger.

And I thought we'd already settled how DogFAQs worked, guys! Nominate dogs
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#120 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/11/2013 9:53:53 AM | message detail
Dog from Call Of Duty confirmed for next contest.
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#121 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 9:54:36 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Kotetsu534 posted...
I would argue for Midna on the basis of 38% on Sora being fairly decent... but she's looked awful in most of her other matches so I'm not too fussed.


30% on today's Sephiroth is pretty bad. I think she used to be midcarder, but now qualifies as high fodder.


are you trolling me right now?
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#122 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 9:55:37 AM | message detail
oh wait I forgot about DogFAQs

Ammy strength explained
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#123 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 9:56:27 AM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Kotetsu534 posted...
I would argue for Midna on the basis of 38% on Sora being fairly decent... but she's looked awful in most of her other matches so I'm not too fussed.


30% on today's Sephiroth is pretty bad. I think she used to be midcarder, but now qualifies as high fodder.


are you trolling me right now?


Not at all, but if you haven't noticed Sephiroth gets quite a bit of anti-votes. <_<

The fact that Midna, who as a Zelda character and the only other thing worth a damn in that match, barely cracked 30% is not encouraging. Prinny got 26% on Cloud, and he's mid-fodder at best.
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#124 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 9:57:47 AM | message detail
Yeah I know Seph gets mad antivoted because this site is loaded with mouthbreathers, but 30% on him for a character like Midna isn't terrible I don't think.
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#125 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 10:00:00 AM | message detail
It's not *terrible*, but if Seph looks to still be sub-Samus level it's not particularly wowing - like I said, high fodder.

Now, if Seph goes out and posts some great numbers on Link this year, yeah, I'm willing to reevaluate that statement.
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#126 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/11/2013 10:02:51 AM | message detail
DogFAQs? Explain this then!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3257
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#127 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 10:03:12 AM | message detail
I still don't buy into the Sephiroth is weaker than Samus and Mario propaganda you see around here, but I may just have blinders on.

I will just have to let Sephiroth do the talking for me this year.
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#128 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 10:04:08 AM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
DogFAQs? Explain this then!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3257


SFF'd by... LFF'd...

I got nothin'
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#129 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 10:04:25 AM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
I still don't buy into the Sephiroth is weaker than Samus and Mario propaganda you see around here, but I may just have blinders on.

I will just have to let Sephiroth do the talking for me this year.


by what, losing to Link?
#130 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 10:06:32 AM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
DogFAQs? Explain this then!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3257


everyone hates the Duck Hunt dog
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#131 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 10:09:25 AM | message detail
Well if Seph can post up 45-46%+ on Link or something it'll stop a lot of that Samus/Mario/Mega Man (still can't believe that one's a thing) in a hurry.
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#132 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 10:11:12 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Well if Seph can post up 45-46%+ on Link or something it'll stop a lot of that Samus/Mario/Mega Man (still can't believe that one's a thing) in a hurry.


true
honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if Link/Sephiroth/Sonic ended up with Sonic overperforming, all the anti-votes have to go somewhere
#133 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 10:12:38 AM | message detail
Sonic may overperform compared to what he got last contest, sure... but he got SFFed down to the level of SFFed Luigi last contest. He's gonna look awful.
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#134 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 10:12:48 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Well if Seph can post up 45-46%+ on Link or something it'll stop a lot of that Samus/Mario/Mega Man (still can't believe that one's a thing) in a hurry.


Yep.

The Mario thing too is baffling. Seph hasn't just beaten him, he's flat out abused him every time they've faced off. It's almost like a weird thing where Mario's fanbase split with Sephiroth has some weird dynamic to it that causes him to get abandoned in the face of Sephiroth.

One of my favorite stats topic quotes ever was something by transience where he was like "Poor Mario spends 2 months dominating the main bracket and now Sephiroth's treating him like the Midgar Zolom." as Seph was damn near 65-35ing him.
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#135 | Xuxon | Posted 8/11/2013 10:12:49 AM | message detail
with Mega Man, i'd only think about taking him in a day match, and even then he's probably an underdog.

Samus and especially Mario should be obvious by now though
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#136 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 10:15:38 AM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
with Mega Man, i'd only think about taking him in a day match, and even then he's probably an underdog.

Samus and especially Mario should be obvious by now though


I hope next contest we get Seph/Mario for 24 hours to test this out. It'll be fun to pick Sephiroth as the 'underdog' in a big match on b8.
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#137 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 10:18:31 AM | message detail
Like I said, Seph posting a big percentage on Link would get a lot of people to reevaluate statements like those. I don't think many people are willing to give Samus or Mario 47-48% on Link indirectly.

Of course, like I implied earlier, I don't think Seph will do too hot. He's got long odds just to looking good in a match he could have flat out won a few years ago (he came disturbingly close to Link in the Link/Sephiroth/Mario/Vincent match).
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#138 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 10:21:32 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Like I said, Seph posting a big percentage on Link would get a lot of people to reevaluate statements like those. I don't think many people are willing to give Samus or Mario 47-48% on Link indirectly.

Of course, like I implied earlier, I don't think Seph will do too hot. He's got long odds just to looking good in a match he could have flat out won a few years ago (he came disturbingly close to Link in the Link/Sephiroth/Mario/Vincent match).


That match is so frustrating. If it had been anyone but frigging Vincent there, Sephiroth has a great shot at upending Link.
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#139 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 8/11/2013 10:26:59 AM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Well if Seph can post up 45-46%+ on Link or something it'll stop a lot of that Samus/Mario/Mega Man (still can't believe that one's a thing) in a hurry.


Yep.

The Mario thing too is baffling. Seph hasn't just beaten him, he's flat out abused him every time they've faced off. It's almost like a weird thing where Mario's fanbase split with Sephiroth has some weird dynamic to it that causes him to get abandoned in the face of Sephiroth.

One of my favorite stats topic quotes ever was something by transience where he was like "Poor Mario spends 2 months dominating the main bracket and now Sephiroth's treating him like the Midgar Zolom." as Seph was damn near 65-35ing him.


Yeah, there's something unexplainably weird about Mario/Sephiroth matches. To put them in perspective, Sephy beat Mario almost as bad as Link did back in the day. Link SFFing Mario into oblivion makes sense. Sephy? Not so much.
#140 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 10:30:26 AM | message detail
Well when Seph gave Mario his biggest beatdown, he was *really* close to Link, and Mario was a lot weaker because Mario was the most antivoted entity in our contests, bar none. In 2005 Mario eventually got up to 44%, but was doing worse than Bowser for a long time. He did even worse in 2007, but it's been a long time. That match isn't a gimme, and Mario deserves to be a significant favorite.
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#141 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 10:31:36 AM | message detail
Oh, and if FF7 can ever shake these antivotes one day and get up to a more nostalgic level (like Old Square seems to), it might see a bit of a resurgence.
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#142 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/11/2013 10:48:08 AM | message detail | (edited)
Between Little Mac LFF and concentrated anti-votes, Midna has a good shot at avoiding the doubling against Sephiroth 1-on-1.

Samus doubled Jill Valentine and Sub-Zero in 2010.

Hell, Cloud almost doubled Ryu in 2010, which is pretty strange after he let Ridley, Chris, and Captain Falcon hang 28-30% on him. With the boost Wesker got that contest from RE5 and Chris/Wesker doing well in Rivalry Rumble I can sort of buy Chris being there in relation to Ryu, although that makes him missing this contest all the funnier. Falcon has now gone 3 contests where he was very close to Alucard so I guess his performance sounds roughly valid. Ridley...I got nothing, maybe he's just a fraud.

Edit: Kind of got sidetracked, but point is, 2010 Samus got 47% (probably 46% in 24 hours) on an antivoted FFVII guy that almost doubled Ryu. Sephiroth might fail to double Midna nowadays. That's why Sephiroth probably loses to Samus.

One of my favorite stats topic quotes ever was something by transience where he was like "Poor Mario spends 2 months dominating the main bracket and now Sephiroth's treating him like the Midgar Zolom." as Seph was damn near 65-35ing him.

Mario winning the main bracket was 2005, and while it wasn't quite what the Villains Contest implied he would get, he managed a respectable 44%. Sounds reasonable to me.

Sephiroth breaking 60% on Mario was 2003 and probably had more to do with bitterness over Mario/Crono (twice, and Mario was fresh off the second one), Mario/Cloud, and 2002-2004 Mario sucking in general. (Shadow, Morrigan, Servbot...)

There is no kryptonite.

That match is so frustrating. If it had been anyone but frigging Vincent there, Sephiroth has a great shot at upending Link.

Maybe FFVII fans should have thought of that before letting Vincent beating Crono!
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#143 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/11/2013 10:47:10 AM | message detail
Updated Top 10

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts
1. Mewtwo – 81.80% vs. Chester – 3.51% - Round 1 – 78.29%
2. Mewtwo – 81.80% vs. Zero – 14.69% - Round 1 – 67.11%
3. Big Boss – 74.89% vs. Peacock – 11.60% - Round 1 – 63.29%
4. Solid Snake – 71.21% vs. Commander Keen – 8.48% - Round 1 – 62.73%
5. Big Boss – 74.89% vs. Captain Viridian – 13.51% - Round 1 – 61.38%
6. Link – 72.67% vs. Tingle – 11.97% - Round 1 – 60.70%
7. Mario – 69.47% vs. Fawful – 10.41% - Round 1 – 59.06%
8. Squall Leonhart – 65.85% vs. Commander Video – 7.95% - Round 1 – 57.90%
9. Link – 72.67% vs. Isaac – 15.36% - Round 1 – 57.31%
10. Samus Aran – 68.51% vs. Isaac Clarke – 12.63% - Round 1 – 55.88%

Top 10 Least Popular Night Polls
1. Lugia vs. Sly Cooper vs. Francis York Morgan – Round 1 – 22481
2. Gordon Freeman vs. Simon Belmont vs. Hades – Round 1 – 22609
3. Squall Leonhart vs. Rayman vs. Commander Video – Round 1 – 22827
4. Yoshimitsu vs. Lu Bu vs. Groose – Round 1 – 23006
5. Nathan Drake vs. Pac-Man vs. Steve – Round 1 – 23129
6. Big Boss vs. Captain Viridian vs. Peacock – Round 1 – 23150
7. Dracula vs. Lucina vs. Caim – Round 1 – 23719
8. GlaDOS vs. Cole vs. Ragna the Bloodedge – Round 1 – 24282
9. Vivi vs. Adam Jensen vs. Marisa Kirisame – Round 1 – 24390
10. Elizabeth vs. Poison vs. Thrall – Round 1 – 24651

Top 10 Lowest Night Individual Votes
1. Chester – Round 1 – 924
2. Caim – Round 1 – 1586
3. Commander Video – Round 1 – 1814
4. Yuri Hyuga – Round 1 – 2535
5. Peacock – Round 1 – 2685
6. Francis York Morgan – Round 1 – 2692
7. Senator Armstrong – Round 1 – 2721
8. Welkin Gunther – Round 1 – 2999
9. Frank West – Round 1 – 3015
10. Captain Viridian – Round 1 – 3128
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#144 | AsurasKordoth | Posted 8/11/2013 10:48:24 AM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Well if Seph can post up 45-46%+ on Link or something it'll stop a lot of that Samus/Mario/Mega Man (still can't believe that one's a thing) in a hurry.


Yep.

The Mario thing too is baffling. Seph hasn't just beaten him, he's flat out abused him every time they've faced off. It's almost like a weird thing where Mario's fanbase split with Sephiroth has some weird dynamic to it that causes him to get abandoned in the face of Sephiroth.

One of my favorite stats topic quotes ever was something by transience where he was like "Poor Mario spends 2 months dominating the main bracket and now Sephiroth's treating him like the Midgar Zolom." as Seph was damn near 65-35ing him.


If I had to guess, I would say it has to do with extremely casual or younger gamers... As in people who only have a PS3 or 360 and have never played either series. Mario's extremely high recognizability is beaten out by Sephiroth's "looks cool and has a giant sword" factor for them.
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#145 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/11/2013 10:51:14 AM | message detail
AsurasKordoth posted...

If I had to guess, I would say it has to do with extremely casual or younger gamers... As in people who only have a PS3 or 360 and have never played either series. Mario's extremely high recognizability is beaten out by Sephiroth's "looks cool and has a giant sword" factor for them.


actually, it's called Sephiroth was stronger back then
#146 | Xuxon | Posted 8/11/2013 10:52:29 AM | message detail
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#148 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/11/2013 10:55:37 AM | message detail
Sephiroth's decline is remarkable indeed. He scored more on Alucard in 2003 than Link did in 2010, and Alucard was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger back then (he was just fresh off beating down Kirby that year). Sephiroth 2003 would beat today's Link without even so much as breaking a sweat.

The fact that he can even still be considered in the discussion with most of the Noble Nine despite his phenomenal decline is a testament to how powerful he was at his peak.
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#149 | CP724 | Posted 8/11/2013 10:57:56 AM | message detail
Hell, Cloud almost doubled Ryu in 2010, which is pretty strange after he let Ridley, Chris, and Captain Falcon hang 28-30% on him.

I think the most Cloud can get in a 1 on 1 poll is probably about 75%. Maybe 1 or 2 points more against chester.
#150 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/11/2013 10:58:46 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Oh, and if FF7 can ever shake these antivotes one day and get up to a more nostalgic level (like Old Square seems to), it might see a bit of a resurgence.


Yeah but FF7 always wins so we've got to keep antivoting it to upset the status quo and give that underdog Link his day in the sun.

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