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It's not so much a correlation as it is proof that stuffing *is* possible, and to such a degree that unless votes are manually removed you can add thousands of votes to our polls. That casts a very large shadow over Draven's match (as well as many others over the years) because the trends were extremely aberrant, and not what you'd expect even from a 'normal' rally.
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Don't forget the blatant vote-stuffing Mario had in his match against Duke Nukem!
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1337gamerpr0 posted...

wait what does the map for the Draven match look like
that should give a big clue whether it was legit or not

Unlike most matches,I think Europe had more votes than America...so the Europe map is going to be in huge favor of Draven and I don't think anyway can call it weird (and Allen said himself most votes came from Europe reddit)

where does one rally for Mega Man X

Oh. But did we really doubt that stuffing was possible? I know I didn't.
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And there have been some extremely phony finishes to matches we've had over the years. Frog/Axel, Alucard/Liquid, Crono/Vincent II, Snake/Sephiroth BR and heck, let's throw in Snake/Cloud/Sephiroth/Kirby! You can bet Snake wouldn't have lost last contest if he were put in Samus's position either.
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Reimu bled 7% from the 2nd hour to the last which was a greater shift than either of the other two made in the other direction. It's just hard to believe they wouldn't stuff for the supposedly strongest of the trio but would for the others. Most of her votes are spread across Europe as per the other two and indeed as with Draven.
Missile might have been pure rallying but Reimu seems like a case of changing the goalposts for what constitutes stuffing mid-contest. Who knows what happened with Draven, Alucard etc but I don't think these standard were being applied then.
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wait what does the map for the Draven match look like
that should give a big clue whether it was legit or not

There's some suspicious areas, but nothing where over 90% went with Draven like we had with Cirno/Marisa.
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Nanis23 posted...

Unlike most matches,I think Europe had more votes than America...so the Europe map is going to be in huge favor of Draven and I don't think anyway can call it weird (and Allen said himself most votes came from Europe reddit)

Extremely unlikely the Draven match had more votes from Europe than the US. Even in a night match, the US can still manage at least 50% of the votes. Europe usually gets between 16% and 20% of the votes in a night match.

Assuming the Draven match finished with 29000 votes and 50% of them came from the US, while 18% came from Europe, that means 14500 votes from the US and 5220 votes from Europe. Draven got about 10000 rallied votes and if they all came from Europe, that still barely puts Europe ahead of the US in total votes. Obviously not all the rallied votes came from Europe - there were a lot of votes from Australia and New Zealand, plus votes from Asia and South America. There were also a lot of rallied votes from the US and Canada. The US had around 22% for Draven prior to the start of the rally, so there were a lot of votes from the US to push Draven up to 31.61%.
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Oh, right, you can just point to Alucard/Falcon this year if you want some real craziness. Alucard doing better in the day than he did at night - really?

Edit: Here's the trend chart, if you want to behold our oh so legitimate match finish:

Time | Alucard | Falcon | Rydia | Votes
0:05 | 34.21% | 38.43% | 27.36% | 497
1:00 | 34.50% | 39.61% | 25.88% | 5521
2:00 | 33.86% | 38.54% | 27.60% | 3145
3:00 | 34.55% | 36.69% | 28.75% | 2292
4:00 | 37.24% | 32.05% | 30.70% | 1850
5:00 | 35.28% | 34.53% | 30.19% | 1590
6:00 | 37.52% | 30.33% | 32.15% | 1434
7:00 | 37.41% | 33.31% | 29.28% | 1561
8:00 | 37.19% | 34.46% | 28.36% | 1869
9:00 | 39.39% | 32.38% | 28.23% | 2097
10:00 | 37.10% | 35.60% | 27.30% | 2264
11:00 | 38.25% | 37.09% | 24.67% | 2416
12:00 | 38.05% | 35.92% | 26.03% | 2163
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Karma Hunter posted...

Oh, right, you can just point to Alucard/Falcon this year if you want some real craziness. Alucard doing better in the day than he did at night - really?

Edit: Here's the trend chart, if you want to behold our oh so legitimate match finish:

Time | Alucard | Falcon | Rydia | Votes
0:05 | 34.21% | 38.43% | 27.36% | 497
1:00 | 34.50% | 39.61% | 25.88% | 5521
2:00 | 33.86% | 38.54% | 27.60% | 3145
3:00 | 34.55% | 36.69% | 28.75% | 2292
4:00 | 37.24% | 32.05% | 30.70% | 1850
5:00 | 35.28% | 34.53% | 30.19% | 1590
6:00 | 37.52% | 30.33% | 32.15% | 1434
7:00 | 37.41% | 33.31% | 29.28% | 1561
8:00 | 37.19% | 34.46% | 28.36% | 1869
9:00 | 39.39% | 32.38% | 28.23% | 2097
10:00 | 37.10% | 35.60% | 27.30% | 2264
11:00 | 38.25% | 37.09% | 24.67% | 2416
12:00 | 38.05% | 35.92% | 26.03% | 2163

Captain Falcon's more of a day character, right?
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The world map maybe has something to do with why we're getting so many suspicious matches this year that we haven't had in a long time. The original reason for showing updates instead of live voting was to make it difficult for stuffers to see if they were being successful or not. The live map sort of makes that redundant since you can hone in on your area and see if the percentages are going up quickly or not.
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The poll map updates about every 10 minutes, so it doesn't update automatically in real time. But yeah, it seems like the poll map has made it easier for vote stuffers to see if their attempts are working. So if someone knows they have a bunch of proxies from China, they can use the poll map to monitor China's percentage and figure out if their proxy votes are being counted.
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Fayt_Esteed posted...

Karma Hunter posted...

Oh, right, you can just point to Alucard/Falcon this year if you want some real craziness. Alucard doing better in the day than he did at night - really?

Edit: Here's the trend chart, if you want to behold our oh so legitimate match finish:

Time | Alucard | Falcon | Rydia | Votes
0:05 | 34.21% | 38.43% | 27.36% | 497
1:00 | 34.50% | 39.61% | 25.88% | 5521
2:00 | 33.86% | 38.54% | 27.60% | 3145
3:00 | 34.55% | 36.69% | 28.75% | 2292
4:00 | 37.24% | 32.05% | 30.70% | 1850
5:00 | 35.28% | 34.53% | 30.19% | 1590
6:00 | 37.52% | 30.33% | 32.15% | 1434
7:00 | 37.41% | 33.31% | 29.28% | 1561
8:00 | 37.19% | 34.46% | 28.36% | 1869
9:00 | 39.39% | 32.38% | 28.23% | 2097
10:00 | 37.10% | 35.60% | 27.30% | 2264
11:00 | 38.25% | 37.09% | 24.67% | 2416
12:00 | 38.05% | 35.92% | 26.03% | 2163

Captain Falcon's more of a day character, right?

Yeah, 'lil bit!

(Falcon is almost entirely Smash - one of our most terrible entities at night and best in the day.)

And if you're curious about the vote map: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5171

Man, ain't it great how much Alucard's loved by the Democratic Republic of Congo
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--Smurf-- posted...

Reimu bled 7% from the 2nd hour to the last which was a greater shift than either of the other two made in the other direction. It's just hard to believe they wouldn't stuff for the supposedly strongest of the trio but would for the others. Most of her votes are spread across Europe as per the other two and indeed as with Draven.
Missile might have been pure rallying but Reimu seems like a case of changing the goalposts for what constitutes stuffing mid-contest. Who knows what happened with Draven, Alucard etc but I don't think these standard were being applied then.

Even though Reimu is the main character Marisa seems to get more love from what I've seen

Cirno seems like she has the benefit of the STRONGEST and CB9 thing (I Still don't get it)
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Karma Hunter posted...

Fayt_Esteed posted...

Karma Hunter posted...

Oh, right, you can just point to Alucard/Falcon this year if you want some real craziness. Alucard doing better in the day than he did at night - really?

Edit: Here's the trend chart, if you want to behold our oh so legitimate match finish:

Time | Alucard | Falcon | Rydia | Votes
0:05 | 34.21% | 38.43% | 27.36% | 497
1:00 | 34.50% | 39.61% | 25.88% | 5521
2:00 | 33.86% | 38.54% | 27.60% | 3145
3:00 | 34.55% | 36.69% | 28.75% | 2292
4:00 | 37.24% | 32.05% | 30.70% | 1850
5:00 | 35.28% | 34.53% | 30.19% | 1590
6:00 | 37.52% | 30.33% | 32.15% | 1434
7:00 | 37.41% | 33.31% | 29.28% | 1561
8:00 | 37.19% | 34.46% | 28.36% | 1869
9:00 | 39.39% | 32.38% | 28.23% | 2097
10:00 | 37.10% | 35.60% | 27.30% | 2264
11:00 | 38.25% | 37.09% | 24.67% | 2416
12:00 | 38.05% | 35.92% | 26.03% | 2163

Captain Falcon's more of a day character, right?

Yeah, 'lil bit!

(Falcon is almost entirely Smash - one of our most terrible entities at night and best in the day.)

And if you're curious about the vote map: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5171

Man, ain't it great how much Alucard's loved by the Democratic Republic of Congo

And yet Alucard does better in the day than he did at night... This is definitely suspicious..
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Yeah it's pretty dumb that Bacon is stepping in to stop Touhou stuffing when there has clearly been plenty of it in matches that have actually influenced the winner so far. (even if you give Marisa all her stuffed votes back she still doesn't quite win)

Draven and Alucard being the big two. Alucard was probably just glossed over and I think Draven was intentionally left there to draw the reddit rally next round. Missile probably influenced second place, too.
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Lopen posted...

I think Draven was intentionally left there to draw the reddit rally next round.

Now there's a conspiracy.
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are my eyes messed up or did Guybrush just get a 30-vote gain over Max Payne

Silly conspiracy theories, do you actually think SBAllen knew about any potentially stuffed votes and refused to remove them?
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If you're concerned about stuffing from Reimu/Missile/whatever, maybe you should send contest feedback to Bacon about it?
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charmander6000 posted...

Silly conspiracy theories, do you actually think SBAllen knew about any potentially stuffed votes and refused to remove them?

Maybe SBAllen's a big LoL fan

Most popular game in the world, chances are right?

/tinfoilhat
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I do think that it's most likely that the admins just haven't caught what stuffing has been going on for the most part over the years... or when it's finally located the results have already been long finalized. YMMV, but hey, it's one of those things that at least I account for when making my bracket. Don't count on FF7 to win any 50/50 matches, people!
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It's a conspiracy that's true. Devin Morgan found "nothing suspicious" about the votes? A child could find something suspicious about the vote intake for that match. The fact that the US has Jak winning 41-31% is a big red flag considering in spite of a large Euro userbase reddit is still primarily a US based site and assuming a true rally you'd expect the proportion to be more balanced than that.

The other theory is that the vote stuffing was a bit more savvy in that match and since votes have to be manually removed they didn't want to go through the trouble of scouring the world and just ignored it out of laziness. Could see either being true with this site's administration actually.
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TheKoolAidShoto posted...

charmander6000 posted...

Silly conspiracy theories, do you actually think SBAllen knew about any potentially stuffed votes and refused to remove them?

Maybe SBAllen's a big LoL fan

Most popular game in the world, chances are right?

/tinfoilhat

SBAllen had Marisa>Jensen, Devin had the opposite in expert
took out votes to reinforce his win?
*tinfoil hat*

blah SBAllen had Jensen>Marisa, Devin had the opposite
stupid lack of editing

At the risk of melodrama, isn't there a chance of a lawsuit if you lose out on the prize because stuffing was allowed to stand? Especially in the US? Or am I missing some disclaimer? Seems a risk, especially given how transparent voting is these days (what with geolocation and all)
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XIII_rocks posted...

At the risk of melodrama, isn't there a chance of a lawsuit if you lose out on the prize because stuffing was allowed to stand? Especially in the US? Or am I missing some disclaimer? Seems a risk, especially given how transparent voting is these days (what with geolocation and all)

Not only is there a disclaimer, but mounting that kind of a lawsuit would be... infeasible to understate it. For such a petty amount of cash the threat is effectively zero.
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Maybe SBAllen likes LOL and not Touhou games.
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It's only a 200 vote difference right now
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Guybrush's lead the last 5 updates:

244, 245, 245, 244, 244

that's hardcore!
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We know from the database that Allen likes:

-Borderlands 2
-Fire Emblem Awakening
-BioShock Infinite
-Pokemon Black & White

we also know from his trophies that he likes

Hannah Montana the Movie the Game
AFRIKA
Japanese games I can't spell
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ZenOfThunder posted...

We know from the database that Allen likes:

-Borderlands 2
-Fire Emblem Awakening
-BioShock Infinite
-Pokemon Black & White

we also know from his trophies that he likes

Hannah Montana the Movie the Game
AFRIKA
Japanese games I can't spell

Allen to stuff votes for Tharja confirmed :lol

The lead has stayed within a 3-vote range over the last eight updates.

Guybrush really doesn't want to lose this match!
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2 vote cut oh man max payne is going berserk now
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GloryChaos posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

lol max payne

Also, can we add the Toowho characters to the list of things to never nominate again? If you struggle (and fail) to get second place against turbofodder with massive stuffing, you don't desserve to be in the contest.

And with that video someone linked in the last topic, it looks like the Toowho fanbase is on par with Bronies as far as people who deserve to be removed from the genepool.

I agree with you now, Regaro. I agree wholeheartedly.

well I've known BT is a dick for a long while now so I don't expect anything more from him.

I just don't want it to become synonymous with the morons at 4chan, even though I know it's popular there. Because I think we all know what kind of morons infest that place.
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Another problem with "catching Draven" is that he actually won the match so for him to win in some countries is not weird at all
Of course getting like 80%+ of the votes from a certain country while having more than 100 votes from this country can be weird...but it's less weird than doing it when you are losing with 10-15%

It really is suspicious how Allen comes down on the Touhou when we've had so many obvious cases of stuffing that directly influenced important results.

CoughCrono/Vincent2Cough.
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MegatokyoEd posted...

It really is suspicious how Allen comes down on the Touhou when we've had so many obvious cases of stuffing that directly influenced important results.

CoughCrono/Vincent2Cough.

Good point! SBAleen got 6 points in expert bracket? That sounds fishy..
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Crono gets more votes in his final updates than Samus does in any update, all match? Noooooooo problem!
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Karma Hunter posted...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081118001341/board8/images/e/eb/Graph3301.png

Crono gets more votes in his final updates than Samus does in any update, all match? Noooooooo problem!

Allen hates FF7 confirmed

Updated X-Stats for the last match:

Vivi Ornitier – 50.00%
Adam Jensen – 27.74%
Marisa Kirasame – 18.32%
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Will Guybrush stop gaining already

--Smurf-- posted...

Reimu bled 7% from the 2nd hour to the last which was a greater shift than either of the other two made in the other direction. It's just hard to believe they wouldn't stuff for the supposedly strongest of the trio but would for the others. Most of her votes are spread across Europe as per the other two and indeed as with Draven.
Missile might have been pure rallying but Reimu seems like a case of changing the goalposts for what constitutes stuffing mid-contest. Who knows what happened with Draven, Alucard etc but I don't think these standard were being applied then.

If votes are spread out then that implies that there is *not* rallying. Cirno's and Marisa's votes were concentrated in a couple of regions. That's how we knew it was stuffing. Unless the people allegedly stuffing for Draven went to the effort of using proxy servers in every different German state, then a spread out Geolocation result implies a rally.
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The match I remember where i thought there was blatant stuffing going on was when frog did some ridiculous come back in the final hour against Axel, I remember that one well since I had Axel there almost no one else did.

1337gamerpr0 posted...

Karma Hunter posted...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081118001341/board8/images/e/eb/Graph3301.png

Crono gets more votes in his final updates than Samus does in any update, all match? Noooooooo problem!

Allen hates FF7 confirmed

Maybe FF7 hasn't deboosted after all, it was just Allen taking out votes on the low

in fact, Tifa was the only FF7 character who looked great all first round, cuz Allen was too busy taking away votes from Cirno
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LeonhartFour posted...

Updated X-Stats for the last match:

Vivi Ornitier – 50.00%
Adam Jensen – 27.74%
Marisa Kirasame – 18.32%

Haha wow Marisa is worthless without cheating
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Stuffed Marisa 60/40s unstuffed Marisa.
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Also, stuffed Cirno gets 56.90% on unstuffed Cirno.
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