Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1102

#1 | paulg235 | Posted 8/10/2013 9:16:24 AM | message detail
Congratulations, Guybrush. It took 5 embarrassing matches prior to this, but you've finally beaten another character. Now find a way to advance to Round 2 in a future contest.

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~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 9:17:42 AM | message detail
Now to find a way to convince Guybrush supporters to stop nominating him forever
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#3 | pjbasis | Posted 8/10/2013 9:17:46 AM | message detail
That opening statement is just begging to be upset
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#4 | LinkLegend27 | Posted 8/10/2013 9:18:14 AM | message detail
Zelda > Charizard
#5 | paulg235 (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/10/2013 9:18:47 AM | message detail
Also, I had Ganon > Guybrush > Payne in the expert challenge but wussed out at the last minute to bank. Damnit!
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#6 | spooky96 | Posted 8/10/2013 9:18:51 AM | message detail
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#7 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/10/2013 9:30:45 AM | message detail
This is just painful to watch...
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#8 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/10/2013 9:32:05 AM | message detail
Max Payne is getting what his name asks for lol.
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#9 | Zylothewolf | Posted 8/10/2013 9:34:04 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Now to find a way to convince Guybrush supporters to stop nominating him forever


Give me 15 better characters that aren't locks to make it and I might stop.
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#10 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/10/2013 9:37:54 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Now to find a way to convince Guybrush supporters to stop nominating him forever


Mostly Europeans, I imagine. That's probably where he gets most of his nominations from.
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#11 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 9:38:27 AM | message detail
Man really trying to jinx this Guybrush win huh
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#12 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/10/2013 9:38:57 AM | message detail
Believe it or not, however, this is only Guybrush's sixth contest match. Everyone here seems to think he's a contest mainstay, but not going by "number of matches".

At least not in comparison to the likes of Tails, Cats, Vercetti, Ocelot, Laharl, and Wesker, although some of them are helped by the villains contest and some were helped by early contest appearances.
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#13 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 9:38:58 AM | message detail
Zylothewolf posted...
Give me 15 better characters that aren't locks to make it and I might stop.


Name any character who's made a contest before this year who isn't in this year

I'm sure there's at least 15.
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#14 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 9:40:07 AM | message detail
why didn't you people nominate Liquid Snake
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#15 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 9:40:33 AM | message detail
#16 | Qwaar | Posted 8/10/2013 9:40:40 AM | message detail
20 vote cut by Payne.

In the last thread I said Guybrush was legendary, I guess only in Europe is the correct answer.
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#17 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/10/2013 9:41:31 AM | message detail
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#18 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/10/2013 9:42:00 AM | message detail
I'm not saying that Guybrush isn't fodder. But he's fodder that will consistently manage a certain number of votes. It's like that match in the 2009 Games Contest where Monkey Island managed a "win" with less than 10% of the vote because SMB3 was sucking up over 75% of the vote in a fourway. I don't think Guybrush is ever going to be able to win a 1v1 unless he was put up against something extremely weak. But in a multi-way contest? The higher the winner's percentage goes, the greater the chance he can come in second place.
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#19 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/10/2013 9:42:16 AM | message detail
To be fair, who'd expect Liquid Snake to miss the cut in a 243-character bracket.
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#20 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/10/2013 9:42:29 AM | message detail
Ganondorf with over 70% in the US and over 75% in Canada. When Europe goes to sleep, Ganondorf should dominate the SNV.
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#21 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/10/2013 9:42:31 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
why didn't you people nominate Liquid Snake


I nominated him!

I also nominated Psycho Mantis and Sniper Wolf though (along with Raiden and the man himself, Solid Snake!), so I think I was in an MGS phase at the time. I also remember nominating Aeris, Tifa, Rinoa, and Seifer, and I would have nominated Vincent if I had actually met him in FFVII by that time (I hadn't, now I have).
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#22 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 9:42:40 AM | message detail
Honestly if Guybrush gets such a disproportionate amount of his power from Europe we're going to see it when they fall asleep. Max should start storming back if that's the case.
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#23 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 9:42:58 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
But he's fodder that will consistently manage a certain number of votes.


No, he won't.

This is like when we used to postulate that CATS had a vote ceiling.

Low vote totals don't appreciably help fodder in any way.
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#24 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/10/2013 9:43:41 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
To be fair, who'd expect Liquid Snake to miss the cut in a 243-character bracket.


To be fair, he barely made it into 2010.
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#25 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/10/2013 9:43:52 AM | message detail
It there's one series that has looked worse than FF7, it's Zelda. Literally struggling to demolish Guybrush, what a joke.
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#26 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/10/2013 9:44:01 AM | message detail
Guybrush is stomping Ganondorf in the UK. Haha.
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#27 | MasterMoltar | Posted 8/10/2013 9:45:04 AM | message detail
Ganon's doing fine

another solid showing from the King
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#28 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 9:45:21 AM | message detail
Here's the thing, I could see if Ganondorf was crushing this poll. But he's barely able to triple Guybrush Threepwood right now. Guybrush has over 20% of the vote against two people combined. This isn't like Monkey Island, this is just hilarious.
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#29 | vcharon | Posted 8/10/2013 9:45:28 AM | message detail
Guybrush is gonna end up losing >_>
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#30 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 9:46:10 AM | message detail
MasterMoltar posted...
Ganon's doing fine

another solid showing from the King


Pretty soon we'll be in KOS-MOS > Ganondorf range

Let's do this
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#31 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/10/2013 9:46:40 AM | message detail
Guybrush got 23% on Vincent in 2010. If you think Vincent is a bit stronger than Ganondorf then Ganon's doing what he should.
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#32 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 9:47:20 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
Guybrush got 23% on Vincent in 2010. If you think Vincent is a bit stronger than Ganondorf then Ganon's doing what he should.


If you think Zelda's getting anti-voted like FF7 is nowadays you better be ready for some pain!
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#33 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 9:49:32 AM | message detail
Also, keep in mind that Ganondorf is day oriented and Guybrush is outright throttling him in Europe. How much more embarrassing does this get if it's a night match?
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#34 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/10/2013 9:49:34 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Honestly if Guybrush gets such a disproportionate amount of his power from Europe we're going to see it when they fall asleep. Max should start storming back if that's the case.


The only thing that really concerning is that Max Payne is barely beating Guybrush in the US. Max Payne is doing better against Guybrush in Canada, though.
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#35 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/10/2013 9:50:01 AM | message detail
To be fair, Ganondorf's not that far off from what Vincent scored on him, though I forget if that was a night match. Ganondorf's probably going to go up a good bit too once Europe's votes slow down.

On the other hand, 2010 was probably Guybrush's peak (he did worse against Bowser in a previous contest than against Vincent) and he's likely lost strength since then.

At any rate, it's not a good sign if you have Mewtwo > Vincent!
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#36 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/10/2013 9:50:34 AM | message detail
Vincent faced Guybrush in a day match.
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#37 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 9:51:21 AM | message detail
Trend chart from the night match:

Time | Vivi | Adam | Marisa | Votes
0:05 | 54.36% | 23.15% | 22.48% | 298
1:00 | 55.45% | 22.09% | 22.46% | 5165
2:00 | 66.87% | 25.80% | 7.33% | 2593
3:00 | 61.98% | 25.26% | 12.75% | 2078
4:00 | 62.69% | 25.49% | 11.82% | 1667
5:00 | 61.84% | 25.80% | 12.35% | 1465
6:00 | 57.49% | 22.84% | 19.67% | 1388
7:00 | 52.17% | 17.45% | 30.38% | 1639
8:00 | 56.47% | 21.83% | 21.70% | 1585
9:00 | 54.92% | 18.94% | 26.14% | 1932
10:00 | 57.71% | 19.82% | 22.47% | 2154
11:00 | 55.53% | 20.81% | 23.66% | 2278
12:00 | 57.23% | 22.16% | 20.60% | 2116

Note: Subject to change

X-Stats:

Vivi Ornitier – 50.00%
Adam Jensen – 27.74%
Marisa Kirasame – 25.06%

Vivi's prediction percentage was 74.33%
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#38 | Rad_Dudesman | Posted 8/10/2013 9:53:14 AM | message detail
Goddamn, Payne sucks
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#39 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/10/2013 9:53:55 AM | message detail
Max has been stalling Guybrush for the past 25 minutes, so that's a good thing.
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#40 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 9:55:02 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Vincent faced Guybrush in a day match.


True, but he's not nearly as day oriented as Ganondorf and more importantly, FF7 is much weaker in a 12 hour setup, day or night, due to their everpresent anti-votes. Ganondorf in a 12 hour day match is gonna look as good he can possibly get... and if this is it, I don't like it!

why Mewtwo
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#41 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 9:56:21 AM | message detail
If you had simply asked me, I would've told you Ganondorf was a fraud and people who thought he'd beat Vincent in 2010 were silly!

Because I'm pretty sure that was part of the reasoning for Mewtwo > Vincent, right? Ganondorf > Vincent in 2010 and Ganondorf SFFing Mewtwo?
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#42 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 9:56:59 AM | message detail
you think there was a reason for that pick huh
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#43 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/10/2013 9:57:34 AM | message detail
Jensen vs. Marisa vs. Guybrush Threepwood vs Max Payne

Who would win 1st and 2nd in this four-pack of crap?
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#44 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 9:57:49 AM | message detail
Yoblazer laid it out!

I figured you and he were on the same page since you both also believe Sore Thumb Factor is a major thing!
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#45 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/10/2013 9:57:51 AM | message detail
Making him so generic in MP3 seems to have destroyed the character, not sad to see him do so badly just annoyed I didn't even consider Guybrush winning this for my expert, signs were probably there.
Though Max could still do this.
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#46 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/10/2013 9:58:09 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=3787&num=2

Vincent only finished about 1% higher than what he had at the board vote. Obviously this is a sign that Guybrush's board vote is nearly as bad as Vincent's. And even after Europe went to sleep, Vincent didn't really gain much with the SNV (0.27% over the last 6 hours).
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#47 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/10/2013 9:59:41 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
To be fair, Ganondorf's not that far off from what Vincent scored on him, though I forget if that was a night match. Ganondorf's probably going to go up a good bit too once Europe's votes slow down.

On the other hand, 2010 was probably Guybrush's peak (he did worse against Bowser in a previous contest than against Vincent) and he's likely lost strength since then.

At any rate, it's not a good sign if you have Mewtwo > Vincent!


And doing worse in a previous contest against Bowser than he did against 2010 Vincent is a sign of Guybrush being stronger why, exactly? I mean, it used to be that we were pretty sure Vincent was the #3 FF7 character, and now the people who refuse to accept change are left trying to come up with some sort of theory to combat the empirical evidence that 2010 gave us that this is no longer true.

Accept it; Vincent's weaker than he used to be. And if this year's seeding is any indication, he's slipped even further into the depths of the forgotten characters. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Guru winner for CBX (or whatever Games Contest comes after it) ends up picking Vincent for the CBXI Guru Nomination in order to rectify his "egregious" absence from CBX.
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#48 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/10/2013 10:00:26 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Yoblazer laid it out!

I figured you and he were on the same page since you both also believe Sore Thumb Factor is a major thing!


I *do* believe it's a significant thing (major is kind of stretching it), but I didn't really have much reasoning outside of "FF7's probably fallen off, the site probably loves Pokemon more, hey this seems like a thing" and bam, clicked, aw yeah

awwwwww :(
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#49 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/10/2013 10:00:55 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
And doing worse in a previous contest against Bowser than he did against 2010 Vincent is a sign of Guybrush being stronger why, exactly? I mean, it used to be that we were pretty sure Vincent was the #3 FF7 character, and now the people who refuse to accept change are left trying to come up with some sort of theory to combat the empirical evidence that 2010 gave us that this is no longer true.


Hey, if you want to believe 2004 Bowser scores 64% on 2010 Vincent, be my guest.
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#50 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/10/2013 10:01:02 AM | message detail
To change topic, I'm starting to think that Master Chief may have suffered from Generic McDude treatment a bit. I dunno, I was just trying to think of a reason for how Chief's games can perform well in games contest (...well only GOTD, they crapped the bed in our other two) while he himself can't.

I'm surprised that Drake and Chief both disappointing isn't getting more discussion as far as the possibility that the top quarter of the GOTD bracket is overrated in the stats.

Also, how well do you think other characters from Platinum Games would fare in a character battle? My take:

Jack Cayman - Hero of a cult Wii game, so already likely to be super weak. At the very least, he's probably worth around 20-25% on Zelda (using her since she faced a similar character in 2010), which is very bad. He may also suffer from Generic McDude treatment, but I doubt it.

Sam Gideon - BAD fodder. Widely considered to be one of the weak points of his own game, which again didn't sell very well, though I've heard that now it has been more successful due to being downloadable from PlayStation Network now. Also very generic, and I doubt that being a power-armored character will save him there.

The Wonderful 101 - These guys should get into a contest, they...I just want to see them in! I don't know why! But I just do!
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