Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1101

#1 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/9/2013 8:35:23 PM | message detail
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A = Strongest Character
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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/9/2013 8:36:35 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Yeah but we just saw Bacon destroy last night's 'rally'. And no one seems to be budging.


Remember that despite the Cirno vote stuffing, there were also legitimate votes that resulted from the Cirno rally. I estimate there were an additional 400 votes from the Cirno rallies that were not removed, probably because Bacon considered those votes to be legitimate.

For those didn't see these posts, I provided some interesting information about the Cirno vote stuffing:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66936326/754120615
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66936326/754123903
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66936326/754124543
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#3 | spooky96 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:36:57 PM | message detail
I feel terrible that Mario isn't able to break 70% here.
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#4 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/9/2013 8:37:46 PM | message detail
It's kinda weird to me that so many people are going for the Touhou. JC Denton could get 2nd there, and he's no Jensen.


Perhaps, but I'd personally be wary after seeing other Western characters stink up the joint left and right.
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#5 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/9/2013 8:41:19 PM | message detail
Fayt_Esteed posted...
It's kinda weird to me that so many people are going for the Touhou. JC Denton could get 2nd there, and he's no Jensen.


Perhaps, but I'd personally be wary after seeing other Western characters stink up the joint left and right.


And this is why I'm banking for 2nd/3rd place.
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#6 | creativename | Posted 8/9/2013 8:41:23 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Remember that despite the Cirno vote stuffing, there were also legitimate votes that resulted from the Cirno rally. I estimate there were an additional 400 votes from the Cirno rallies that were not removed, probably because Bacon considered those votes to be legitimate.

Yeah but considering Tifa and Chun-Li's percentages and vote totals, it still looks like those 400 "rallied" votes were stuffed. No rally should result in 100% of the votes going to someone - especially against well known characters like Tifa and Chun-Li. Yet those 400 votes seem to only be for Cirno.

I do think SB will go over results much more thoroughly if it actually changes who gets 2nd place, though. He probably just got rid of the most blatant stuffed votes for Cirno and left the rest of the shady votes (especially China) be.
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#7 | Xuxon | Posted 8/9/2013 8:43:24 PM | message detail
From: creativename | Posted 8/9/2013 11:16:47 PM | #488
We'll get to see just how high Vivi can go. I don't know if anyone except Mewtwo has had competition this bad.

Squall's is about as bad, maybe worse.
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#8 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/9/2013 8:44:12 PM | message detail
Next week, I will ask him to investigate China, which has a very large number of available proxy servers. Russia also looks suspicious as well.
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#9 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/9/2013 8:46:00 PM | message detail
JC Denton looked just as bad as Cirno did even before stuffing. I doubt he'd take 2nd here.

Jensen has to be stronger than Denton(and I would assume he is so no problem there)
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#10 | creativename | Posted 8/9/2013 8:47:59 PM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
From: creativename | Posted 8/9/2013 11:16:47 PM | #488
We'll get to see just how high Vivi can go. I don't know if anyone except Mewtwo has had competition this bad.

Squall's is about as bad, maybe worse.

I dunno, I mean he's quite bad but even as weak as Rayman is, he should still crush the likes of Jensen/Marisa and Chester/Zero999. People have at least heard of Rayman via "game name factor", which I think separates terrible turbofodder from normal turbofodder/low end fodder.

Mewtwo certainly seems to have weakest competition ever on lock down though.
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#11 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:48:08 PM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
I feel terrible that Mario isn't able to break 70% here.


You should if you didn't vote for Mario. Granted, I'm not knocking Duke or Fawful.....but Mario is the ****ing man
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#12 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/9/2013 8:49:34 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
spooky96 posted...
I feel terrible that Mario isn't able to break 70% here.


You should if you didn't vote for Mario. Granted, I'm not knocking Duke or Fawful.....but Mario is the ****ing man


Sorry, but Fawful is the delicious mustard of your doom.
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#13 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/9/2013 8:50:13 PM | message detail
Cole/Ragna is probably the second-weakest pairing in the bracket.
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#14 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/9/2013 8:50:44 PM | message detail | (edited)
Jensen's best hope to get second place is to use the night vote here. Denton had a good night vote in his match, so I'd expect Jensen to have a good night vote as well.
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#15 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/9/2013 8:54:57 PM | message detail | (edited)
Xuxon posted...
From: creativename | Posted 8/9/2013 11:16:47 PM | #488
We'll get to see just how high Vivi can go. I don't know if anyone except Mewtwo has had competition this bad.

Squall's is about as bad, maybe worse.


Rayman, and... turbofodder whose name I'm not stating because I cba to do so. ...Yeah, I'd say Squall's competition stinks. But I'll be fair and say that at least Rayman's normal fodder.
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#16 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:53:02 PM | message detail | (edited)
And I'm surprised more people aren't feeling as confident with Marisa given the past matches in this contest so far. Newer characters have been getting eviscerated so far. I feel Jensen would be no different, especially given that the new Deus Ex didn't even make much of a splash here. In fact, the series as a whole has done terrible here on GameFAQs, which is saying something given the site's demographics. Remember that Deus Ex barely edged out Rock Band in the GotD.
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#17 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/9/2013 8:52:34 PM | message detail
Jensen benefits from funny hat LFF though

Both Vivi and Marisa have funny hats
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#18 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/9/2013 8:52:54 PM | message detail
I honestly have no idea why people are comparing Deus Ex 1 to Human Revolution. The two are going to be so different on GameFAQs that there is essentially no basis for comparison.
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#19 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:53:22 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
And I'm surprised more people aren't feeling as confident with Marisa given the past matches in this contest so far. Newer characters have been getting eviscerated so far. I feel Jensen would be no different, especially given that the new Deus Ex didn't even make much of a splash here. In fact, the first game has essentially done terrible here on GameFAQs, especially given the site's demographics. Remember that Deus Ex barely edged out Rock Band in the GotD.


newer and western characters may have bombed
but we're talking about Touhou characters here
#20 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/9/2013 8:54:14 PM | message detail
What happened with Cirno?
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#21 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/9/2013 8:54:23 PM | message detail
Deus Ex: Human Revolution had some pretty good ratings on GameFAQs.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/944090-deus-ex-human-revolution
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/944088-deus-ex-human-revolution
http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/944089-deus-ex-human-revolution

Those ratings are certainly above average for sure, but the original Deus Ex has even better ratings than Human Revolution though.
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#22 | xp1337 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:54:48 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
What happened with Cirno?

Had about 1000 votes taken away.
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#23 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/9/2013 8:55:45 PM | message detail
Ulti should read the messages I just linked to earlier in this topic for a more advanced analysis of the vote stuffing.
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#24 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:56:24 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
What happened with Cirno?


Touhou looks even stupider in this contest
#25 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:56:40 PM | message detail
Somebody convince me to go with Marisa for second here.
#26 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/9/2013 8:57:05 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm backing Adam if SB is going to be taking away stuffed votes.
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#27 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:57:30 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
newer and western characters may have bombed
but we're talking about Touhou characters here


I suppose this is the ultimate test of how badly they're capable of sucking....
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#28 | xp1337 | Posted 8/9/2013 8:57:38 PM | message detail
hylianknight3 posted...
Somebody convince me to go with Marisa for second here.

They both should be awful but one of them could have a rally!

...Which was underminded by Cirno's vote removal but hey!
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#29 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/9/2013 8:58:40 PM | message detail
Man, talk about a snakebite waiting to happen...
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#30 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/9/2013 8:59:45 PM | message detail
Bacon's lazy though. If the match is close he could just be like "there was equal stuffing on both sides" and laze out.

Unless he is playing Expert Challenge and has Jensen in second.
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#31 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:00:15 PM | message detail
Vote Accepted


Vivi
33.33%
2 Votes

Adam Jensen
33.33%
2 Votes

Marisa Kirisame
33.33%
2 Votes
Your Pick
Total Votes: 6
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#32 | Janus5000 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:00:30 PM | message detail
dat Touhou board vote
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#33 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:00:42 PM | message detail
Marisa with the very early lead.
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#34 | Kibago | Posted 8/9/2013 9:00:48 PM | message detail
dat touhou first-second vote
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#35 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 8/9/2013 9:00:49 PM | message detail
#36 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:00:57 PM | message detail
Vivi
41.94%
52 Votes
Vote Vivi!

Adam Jensen
29.03%
36 Votes
Vote Jensen!

Marisa Kirisame
29.03%
36 Votes
Vote Marisa!
#37 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:00:58 PM | message detail
Expert bracket voting
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#38 | Dr_Football | Posted 8/9/2013 9:01:18 PM | message detail
A lot of 2nd place voting going on early!
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#39 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/9/2013 9:01:53 PM | message detail | (edited)
Vivi not looking good means it won't look good for Marisa too =/

She needs Vivi to take up the lion's share
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#40 | Kibago | Posted 8/9/2013 9:01:35 PM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
Expert bracket voting


yeah Vivi's going up decently now
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#41 | xp1337 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:01:48 PM | message detail
Expert Bracket voting the best. Vivi under 40 was priceless. >_>
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#42 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 8/9/2013 9:01:49 PM | message detail
oh jesus Jensen is barely beating Marisa
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#43 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:02:13 PM | message detail
There are not many characters I care about enough to vote for when there's Expert Mode battles going on. Vivi's one, though! Go on, lil' guy.
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#44 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/9/2013 9:02:23 PM | message detail
There's no way Vivi doesn't look good in this match no matter how it starts unless there's, like, crazy stuffing. 90% of GameFAQs doesn't even KNOW anyone in this match except Vivi!
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#45 | Kibago | Posted 8/9/2013 9:02:28 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
Expert Bracket voting the best. Vivi under 40 was priceless. >_>


the touhou girl was winning when i voted!
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#46 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:02:34 PM | message detail
lmao expert bracket votes
damn 2 minute freeze
#47 | Articuno2001 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:02:41 PM | message detail
Marisa should fall off after the early board vote, just like Cirno and Reimu
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#48 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 8/9/2013 9:02:41 PM | message detail
That expert bracket voting
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#49 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/9/2013 9:02:55 PM | message detail
If Jensen is doing this well out the gate, I think he wins. Even considering Expert bracket voting, his early vote has to be atrocious, just like everything else from a western game.
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#50 | xp1337 | Posted 8/9/2013 9:03:01 PM | message detail
Kibago posted...
xp1337 posted...
Expert Bracket voting the best. Vivi under 40 was priceless. >_>


the touhou girl was winning when i voted!

She was when I did too! But then a few seconds later it was like 39/31/30!
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