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can you people please not quote that TuRtLe guy? completely kills the point of having him on the ignore list --- ... |
Unlikely it's any one reason. A mixture of the three, sure. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
I
don't see how 2008 debunked Chief being better in multiways. He did
worse but that's still his second best year easily, and it wasn't as if
Halo was being hyped in 08 either. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... This is entirely blamed on the lower votals, and the core GameFAQs demographic being sexually frustrated 25 year olds that will vote for anything with a set of animated breasts. I'm half expecting Lightening to go to round 3, but then I remember the other thing jobless 30 year old virgins love is Pokemon games, and I weep. I'm truly looking forward to the next debated match you get wrong for priceless comments like these.... --- Drop it to the floor... |
Yeah,
uh, Chief nearly beat Kirby in 2008. Probably does if the fourway draws
were balanced rather than the ridiculous standout fest Kirby kept
benefiting from. --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
And
if you want to say hype has always been the driving force for strength
I'd argue Halo 2's hype campaign in 2004 was substantial enough that
2004 should've been his second strongest year by far. Halo 2 hype
wasn't on the level of Halo 3's, but it was definitely a good deal ahead
of any sort of lingering hype he would've had in 2005 or 2008 --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
-LusterSoldier- posted... There were 24-hour matches that got under 50000 votes in the Rivalry Rumble. I do think this contest will have some matches over 50000 votes. looking forward to even more sub-50k vote 24-hour matches in this contest, then! (yes I know some will break 50k, but lol) also once again, BT salt, a classic |
That being said less hype surrounding the franchise is definitely part
of it. I just think lower votals are a more substantial factor in his
decline. With 2008 votals I think Chief wins comfortably here-- he
doesn't destroy Yuna like 2007 or anything but he still wins pretty
easily. I don't think "XBone hate" is a substantial part of it, however. That's just a crackpot "good on paper" theory. No real way to prove this either way, of course, but what can ya do. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Karma Hunter posted... Yeah, uh, Chief nearly beat Kirby in 2008. Probably does if the fourway draws were balanced rather than the ridiculous standout fest Kirby kept benefiting from. Doesn't mean much, why compare via Kirby when we have a direct comparison via Dante? Makes no sense whatever. We can literally compare year to year using Dante, who had no reason to change in strength. In 2007 he scored almost 55% on Dante. In 2008 he scored 56.5% on Raiden. In 2008 he scored 47.8% on Dante (some even thought Leon was holding Dante back in that match). In 2007 he also scored 47.5% on Snake. In 2008 he probably would have lost to Big Boss if Raiden hadn't been there. Chief was just much stronger in 2007 than 2008. Everything indicates this. --- |
ZFS posted... What does reddit have to do with anything I'm guessing people are still bitter about Draven, and then the subsequent Teemo letdown. --- I pwn you all! |
Comparing Raiden and Dante shows a lack of understanding in one of the components of the why
of the "Chief is better in four ways" theory. Chief is always going to
underperform against weaker opponents-- that's just the nature of the
character. The reason he's better in four ways is not just
because anti-votes are mitigated but also because a large portion of his
fanbase that will vote for him tends to be very loyal and when you can
split percentage up enough the 30-40% he almost never falls beneath
becomes enough to advance. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
creativename posted... Karma Hunter posted...Yeah, uh, Chief nearly beat Kirby in 2008. Probably does if the fourway draws were balanced rather than the ridiculous standout fest Kirby kept benefiting from. Because you're committing a logical fallacy in assuming that Chief 2k7 > Chief 2k8 (blatantly obvious) means that he doesn't benefit from multiways. Chief doesn't come that close to Kirby in a 1v1 match. Kirby 2k8 isn't worth only 57-58% on Raiden. It's the format. --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
Exactly one year ago on this day, Bacon made this post which explains why vote totals have dropped so much: SBAllen posted... Another thing that really fascinates me about the way the Internet works these days is that for the most part, people don't really go through a site's main page anymore like they used to. This is the Google Era. If you want something, you Google it, go to the result, and then go do something else. Our Google driven traffic's up nearly 1000% in the past 5 years, but as you can imagine a lot of people who hit us from Google get their answer and then move on. That's something I am already working on improving to keep more of those users, but it's not really detrimental to our overall traffic or anything as we have way more new users these days than we did back then as well. :) This post came from the following topic - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/573081-hellhole/63671751 Bacon's post was unrelated to vote totals, but it makes a lot of sense when considering the reasons for our decline in vote totals. It's difficult to get high vote totals if there's a huge number of people visiting the site for the first time who never lay their eyes upon the poll because they completely bypassed the site's front page. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
UltimaterializerX posted... Chun-Li would win the next match in a just world. Im more of a FF fan than SF fan, but I went against my loyalty and gave my vote for Chun-Li cause I figured she has seniority in the VG world and a lot of hipsters have been dumping on FF7 in recent years. Probably gonna get burnt like picking MC over Yuna. |
Karma Hunter posted... Because you're committing a logical fallacy in assuming that Chief 2k7 > Chief 2k8 (blatantly obvious) means that he doesn't benefit from multiways. Chief doesn't come that close to Kirby in a 1v1 match. Kirby 2k8 isn't worth only 57-58% on Raiden. It's the format. If that's blatantly obvious then what's the debate? The entire reason people came up with this format strength theory in the first place was to explain Chief's 2007's incredible boost in power. At the time it seemed reasonable. After Chief flopped the next year (relatively speaking), that theory pretty much went out the window. I mean you can believe it if you want but there is zero actual evidence for it. And how do we know if Chief does that to Kirby 1v1 in 2008? People claim Kirby benefited from the format too - which is more believable than Chief because Kirby>Sonic might support that (or that's just lol 4-ways...also that was pretty much Sonic Team's nadir, Sonic got whipped by Auron that year too). If Chief benefited from multi-ways he also wouldn't be getting beat down by Yuna. In a match where pretty much every single intangible was in his favor. I don't know why people reach for things like vote totals/format/whatever when there's no need for it, and the change in a character's strength is the obvious explanation for the large majority of any changes in the data. Anything else is speculation with a very weak base. I mean this wasn't hard to see coming, I said before the match that Chief had no reason to do anything but drop. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
raginbull911 posted... ZFS posted...What does reddit have to do with anything I had Draven winning and Teemo losing. Reddit is the source for all the "outrage" in today's internet, and too many people around here are part of that hivemind. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
As the one who created the Chief is stronger in four ways theory before the fact I can assure you that it wasn't created post-contest as a way to explain 2007. Though I have a feeling I'm being ignored anyway. Probably why the theory is being discarded too, since it's my creation! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Lopen posted... As the one who created the Chief is stronger in four ways theory before the fact I can assure you that it wasn't created post-contest as a way to explain 2007. Poor Lopen, for once he's 100% right, and noone listens --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
Hey I'm right plenty I just don't bring up the stuff I was right for ad nauseam like certain other crazy people in here !! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Is
it just me or have there been a relatively high number of voters so far
this match? (Relative to what we've seen so far in this contest) |
creative,
i don't understand your position. you're so sure Chief would have
dropped, but if he dropped from 2010 and was the same 1v1 as multiway,
he'd be even worse than this. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
Yes they are quite a bit higher than the last 10 or so day matches. Though it's 3 popular series. Makes sense. --- http://i.imgur.com/32RNLnc.gif |
Lopen posted... As the one who created the Chief is stronger in four ways theory before the fact I can assure you that it wasn't created post-contest as a way to explain 2007. In 2007, I thought the theory might well be true. There were reasons to believe it. Chief's performance was so far beyond his previous strength it seemed plausible. Then 2008 happened. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
SebVettel posted... Is it just me or have there been a relatively high number of voters so far this match? (Relative to what we've seen so far in this contest) The last 3 day matches have managed to break 30000 votes, while this one is going to break 31000 votes. Night matches have still been getting low vote totals. Last 4 night matches were all between 25000 and 26000 votes. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
Xuxon posted... creative, i don't understand your position. you're so sure Chief would have dropped, but if he dropped from 2010 and was the same 1v1 as multiway, he'd be even worse than this. If you mean in terms of raw 2010 x-stats for Chief/Yuna, Chief is very likely underrated because of the Mega Man/Hayabusa pic. I don't buy Hayabusa's number there at all. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
i mean in terms of reasonable estimates. Yuna was also SFFed, she's not losing to guys like Ness and Alucard. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
creativename posted... Lopen posted...As the one who created the Chief is stronger in four ways theory before the fact I can assure you that it wasn't created post-contest as a way to explain 2007. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME FUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
Match LXIII: (7) Tifa Lockheart vs. (12) Cirno vs. (21) Chun-Li Previous Contest Tifa Lockheart 2010 78.70% against Yuri Lowell 61.96% against Gordon Freeman 60.45% against Big Daddy 43.84% against Sephiroth Cirno N/A N/A Chun-Li 2006 68.74% against Kasumi 55.54% against Lara Croft 39.16% against Yuna Analysis The order of this match is more or less set in stone, but the performances of the three characters are widely variable. Tifa will likely continue the tradition of Final Fantasy VII characters flopping in this contest. It is a shame that she is not in a position to be threatened by a weaker, yet strong character. Some people argue that Tifa may avoid the decline, she is not anti-voted on GameFAQs, but people made similar arguments about Zack and we all saw what happened to him. It is so hard to get Street Fighter characters besides Ryu to reach the contest. Ken failed to return after winning in 2010, M. Bison is still waiting to return since the villains contest and the board already has a list of new characters from the series they want to try out. For good reason, while they may not be the strongest snubs they do provide the contest with some power. A lot has happened for Chun-Li since we last saw her in 2006 so I expect her to put up a decent performance. From what I understand Cirno is a bit of a fan favourite among Touhou fans. Reimu looked relatively impressive and even got a bit of a rally early on in the match. Regardless, unless the rally is huge I do not see her threatening Chun-Li in this match and even then those tend to fizzle out before they do any real damage. If Tifa is at her old self she should be able to get close to doubling Chun-Li. It has been a long time since we have seen her perform so we do not have much reliable data, but using Ken as a bit of a measuring stick we can estimate where she ends up. Even if Tifa flops it is not like she is threatened to lose before the third round. charmander6000s Bracket: Tifa Lockheart > Chun-Li and Cirno charmander6000s Prediction: Tifa Lockheart 50.58%, Chun-Li 30.77%, Cirno 18.65% --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 48/60 Today's Picks: Dragonborn and M Chief |
2008
does nothing to disprove it, though! 2008 Chief is still much better
than any other Chief this side of 2007. And honestly as I already said
if 2008 was all "he still had Halo 3 somewhat recently so he hadn't
fallen off of a cliff yet" then why is 2008 the second strongest Chief?
Stop comparing him to 2007 and just compare him to the other years.
Other versions of Chief cannot do what 2008 Chief did. Chief does not
get 47% on Dante in any year. Chief does not get 48% on Kirby in any
year. Going straight off hype Chief hierarchy would be like 2007 > 2004 > 2005 > 2008 > 2006 > 2010 > 2013 I think but the numbers are nothing like that. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
If
Cirno breaks 10% I'll be shocked. The other Too who characters have
been absolute garbage, and Tifa/Chunners are very tough competition. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
if Cirno gets the same rally Reimu got she should break 10%. base strength, probably under. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
Reimu didn't gain all that much from rallies she probably finishes at 15 or 16% without em. I could totally see Cirno failing to break 10%. She looks like a doofus unlike Reimu who was KAWAII ANIMUUU and is against opponents that are actually photogenic. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... If Cirno breaks 10% I'll be shocked. The other Too who characters have been absolute garbage, and Tifa/Chunners are very tough competition. You must have been paying very close attention to the contest so far. Clearly you are a reliable source --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
But
yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Cirno does that bad. I'd feel better
about her performance if her competition weren't all females made in
Japan as well. Doesn't have the kawaii factor there like Reimu did! --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
Lopen posted... Reimu didn't gain all that much from rallies she probably finishes at 15 or 16% without em. Though given the weird and perverted direction this site has taken, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cirno win despite the massif TJF and TTF going on with the other 2. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
If I didn't see Reimu perform I would agree and from what I understand Cirno is more liked. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 48/60 Today's Picks: Dragonborn and M Chief |
Then00bAvenger posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...If Cirno breaks 10% I'll be shocked. The other Too who characters have been absolute garbage, and Tifa/Chunners are very tough competition. Sorry for losing track of, and mixing up the turbofodder that eeked its way into the bracket this year. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
From: Lopen | Posted: 8/8/2013 10:24:25 PM | #332 Reimu didn't gain all that much from rallies she probably finishes at 15 or 16% without em. 1200 votes in a night match now is worth 4%. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
You understand incorrectly. Reimu is the MC and pretty well liked. Not that Reimu actually got many votes for being in Touhou anyway though. I'm pretty sure like 2/3s of her 18% were KAWAII ANIMUUUU votes (and keep in mind I called her scoring that high before the match so this isn't damage control!) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Xuxon posted... From: Lopen | Posted: 8/8/2013 10:24:25 PM | #332Reimu didn't gain all that much from rallies she probably finishes at 15 or 16% without em. in a night match? probably closer to 5% now |
Probably wrong to assume she gets 1200 in a night match though even if she is rallied. Even 4chan sleeps I think. But yeah I think even with a rally failing to break 10% is on the plate. If my theory that 6% of Reimu was people actually familiar with Touhou that should be about right! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Xuxon posted... 1200 votes in a night match now is worth 4%. However, that is assuming 30000 votes. We're probably getting around 25000 votes without any rallies. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
yeah, i guess it's more like 4.5%. 1200 plus a bit over 25k natural votes. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
So what's stopping Cirno from also getting the kawaii votes? She is the most kawaii character in the match, I think. TKF, just because we don't have enough fake factors. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 48/60 Today's Picks: Dragonborn and M Chief |
Cirno looks like a doofus that's why. That pic is awful and not so kawaii at all. To be fair it's Cirno so you can't really do much. Why the hell was she nominated anyway I blame Tom. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
she's kinda poorly drawn and chubby-looking. definitely less cute-looking than Reimu by a good amount. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
Reimu got 18% against Barret and Professor Layton. Tifa at least doubles Barret, and I think Chun-Li probably beats him too. Even if she gets this "magical" rally, the competition is way stronger, and the perverts will be split between the female options. I've been going back through match results, and pretty much every anime-ish female character has overperformed (KOS-MOS, Catherine, Reimu, Yuri, Morrigan, Poison, Terra, Celes, and now Yuna) --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
Oh
wow, this match is on track to break 32000 votes. We haven't done that
since Snake's match, which was a little over 2 weeks ago. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
Chief brings the votes to the yard Shame they're not all for him --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
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