Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1099

#101 | creativename | Posted 8/8/2013 9:58:51 AM | message detail
I don't know why people want to blame XBone for this. Chief lost to Hayabusa last time and has only had reason to get weaker

Halo 4 made no splash at all, MC's franchise is not relevant, and MC is definitely not the kind of character who could survive his series falling by the wayside.

ExThaNemesis posted...
Ugh, Yuna doing so well means that she very well could split with Tifa next round. Which would be GREAT news for me if Dragonborn had proven to be worth a damn.

You had Dragonborn over Tifa?! That's certainly a ballsy pick!
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#102 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 9:59:53 AM | message detail
Greyfeld posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-102.jpg

His x-stat rating is absurd. Taken at face value he's expected to score less on Zero in 2010 than he did on Zero, Pit, and King Dedede combined.

He's also weaker now - Ninja Gaiden 3 practically destroyed the series. Straight up, peak Ryu Hayabusa probably wins the Kefka/Zack/Ryu H trio outright due to fanbase splitting.


Ok... but that doesn't really nullify my point about him sucking it up against Mega Man.


...with that PICTURE. You're not even trying to pay attention - I suppose you have Pikachu in the finals too if you're taking that match seriously.

Ryu H doesn't go out like that if it's not the sprite round. To even suggest otherwise is absurd.
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#103 | Djungelurban | Posted 8/8/2013 10:01:45 AM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I'll never understand people who vote for Final Fantasy X characters (with the exception of Auron)

I can't believe people vote for Auron, he's the whiniest character in Final Fantasy history almost, throwing temper tantrums like an infant every time everyone doesn't agree with him immediately, he only gets a pass cause he has a deep manly voice...
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#104 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/8/2013 10:02:21 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Square hasn't disappointed so far. Final Fantasy VII has disappointed. The only real exception to this is Seifer, and he's probably been that bad all along. We've just never seen him in a contest before.


Auron shot well below what people can expected, a lot of people like him here and will try and defend those numbers with SFF and Ocelot being stronger than expected but that's absolute revisionism and can be applied to any match. He hit below popular expectation, that's all we know until the next round.
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#105 | Crimson Dragoon | Posted 8/8/2013 10:03:17 AM | message detail
At least with Auron, someone b**** slaps him around and kills him for it.
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#106 | ZFS | Posted 8/8/2013 10:04:31 AM | message detail
that pic is the Hayabusa I know!
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#107 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:04:44 AM | message detail
--Smurf-- posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Square hasn't disappointed so far. Final Fantasy VII has disappointed. The only real exception to this is Seifer, and he's probably been that bad all along. We've just never seen him in a contest before.


Auron shot well below what people can expected, a lot of people like him here and will try and defend those numbers with SFF and Ocelot being stronger than expected but that's absolute revisionism and can be applied to any match. He hit below popular expectation, that's all we know until the next round.


It's not revisionism if it was seriously postulated before the match, and a number of people did just that, including myself. And even if it were it makes a lot more sense than 'badass deboost' in my eyes.
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#108 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/8/2013 10:05:27 AM | message detail
does the badass deboost hit snake

because if it does I'm all for it
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#109 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:05:46 AM | message detail
ZFS posted...
that pic is the Hayabusa I know!


if only the voting population reflected HM we would have the most unpredictable and fun contests ever
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#110 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:06:56 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
does the badass deboost hit snake

because if it does I'm all for it


it all got passed to Raiden, Snake's final gift
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#111 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/8/2013 10:07:16 AM | message detail
curses
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#112 | ZFS | Posted 8/8/2013 10:07:16 AM | message detail
are you telling me you didn't play ninja gaiden on the NES growing up? unfortunate!
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#113 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:08:23 AM | message detail
I am not sure how much strength Ryu H is getting from NES Ninja Gaiden but something tells me that nearly being tripled by Mega Man with that pic is reflective of it
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#114 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/8/2013 10:08:31 AM | message detail
I still say it's just the site getting nostalgic for Old Square, and helping FF9 because of how its usually seen by the fanbase, while everything from FF7 and up, with FF7 being hit the hardest, is suffering backlash from general Square hatred and FF13 dislike.

Makes more sense to me than insane PSP boosts or badass deboosts.
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#115 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 8/8/2013 10:08:37 AM | message detail
MC has been getting closer and closer to cutting for about a half-hour now. I could see him rocking the day vote and stalling the match out from here (until 10 pm or so) and make this look pretty respectable at the end.
#116 | ffmasterjose | Posted 8/8/2013 10:09:03 AM | message detail
Holy **** this match is purely just "Yuna's Revenge".
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#117 | ZFS | Posted 8/8/2013 10:10:38 AM | message detail
Yeah, probably. Doesn't look bad in that picture, but most people probably didn't even hear about Ninja Gaiden until it came out on Xbox which is the goofiest thing ever to say about GameFAQs. Maybe people just really like black ninja outfits.
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#118 | ffmasterjose | Posted 8/8/2013 10:11:11 AM | message detail
Hmm, nah I'm still not worried about Tifa. For one, her competition is Dragonborn, lol.
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#119 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/8/2013 10:12:31 AM | message detail
If Tifa loses next round it'll be to Yuna, not Dragonborn.
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#120 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/8/2013 10:12:59 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Greyfeld posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-102.jpg

His x-stat rating is absurd. Taken at face value he's expected to score less on Zero in 2010 than he did on Zero, Pit, and King Dedede combined.

He's also weaker now - Ninja Gaiden 3 practically destroyed the series. Straight up, peak Ryu Hayabusa probably wins the Kefka/Zack/Ryu H trio outright due to fanbase splitting.


Ok... but that doesn't really nullify my point about him sucking it up against Mega Man.


...with that PICTURE. You're not even trying to pay attention - I suppose you have Pikachu in the finals too if you're taking that match seriously.

Ryu H doesn't go out like that if it's not the sprite round. To even suggest otherwise is absurd.


I think you're giving way too much credit to picture factor. But I don't really want to argue about that, I'd rather just agree to disagree.
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#121 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/8/2013 10:14:07 AM | message detail
I think Ryu H probably gets more strength from pic appeal, in comparison to game strength, than anyone else in the contest, even Dante.

Thus he's screwed when given a sprite.
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#122 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:14:22 AM | message detail
I do think Tifa should impress next match, even if she ends up disappointing later on in the contest. Normally I wouldn't even consider TJF between such well known characters but given that her closest competitor is Thunder Thighs and the fact that Tifa's jugs in this picture are just out of f***ing control I'm pretty certain Chun-Li's gonna underperform.
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#123 | ZFS | Posted 8/8/2013 10:14:39 AM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
I still say it's just the site getting nostalgic for Old Square, and helping FF9 because of how its usually seen by the fanbase, while everything from FF7 and up, with FF7 being hit the hardest, is suffering backlash from general Square hatred and FF13 dislike.

Makes more sense to me than insane PSP boosts or badass deboosts.


Yeah, Dissidia doesn't really make much sense to me, 'badass deboost' doesn't either. Plenty of 'badass' characters have done fine this contest, why it would just apply to FF characters and not others?
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#124 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/8/2013 10:17:28 AM | message detail
I do think Tifa should impress next match, even if she ends up disappointing later on in the contest. Normally I wouldn't even consider TJF between such well known characters but given that her closest competitor is Thunder Thighs and the fact that Tifa's jugs in this picture are just out of f***ing control I'm pretty certain Chun-Li's gonna underperform.

Chun-Li doesn't exactly have mosquito bites either.
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#125 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/8/2013 10:17:37 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
I don't know why people want to blame XBone for this. Chief lost to Hayabusa last time and has only had reason to get weaker

Halo 4 made no splash at all, MC's franchise is not relevant, and MC is definitely not the kind of character who could survive his series falling by the wayside.


It was because of that that I thought Chief could get a "nostalgia boost" similar to Crash/Spyro and all, but it looks like that's just not the case at all. Halo is less relevant now than it has been during any other contest, and that killed Chief.

This match also provides yet more evidence that the top quarter of the GOTD bracket is overrated in those stats - the protagonists of Halo and Uncharted 2 have both crapped the bed (I still can't comprehend Drake struggling with Pac-Man) this contest. So let me look, what are other main characters of the games from that part of the bracket?

Cole - Was too close to Ragna the Bloodedge for comfort.
JC Denton - Made Squirtle look almost as strong as 2004 Mario.
Heavy - Lost to Chrom, blown out by The Boss.
Raz - Who cares?
Sonic - Did very well.
Ryu - Did very well.
Mario - Yet to take the field.
Ryu Hayabusa - Ended in 3rd place in a match where we thought he'd win.
Samus - No signs of weakness (yet?).
Dante - Has a debated match with Squirtle in Round 2, I honestly think he loses now.
Amaterasu - Yet to take the field.
Travis Touchdown - Yet to take the field.
Lloyd Irving - Surprised us by...not losing to Big Daddy!
Chris Redfield - Completely failed to make the bracket.
Kratos - Yet to take the field.
Sackboy - Massive seeding drop, we'll have to wait and see if it means anything.
Gordon Freeman - Slightly underperformed stat expectations against Simon Belmont, but no clear signs of weakness otherwise.

Basically, the characters out of this bunch who aren't looking suspect all have other games to back them up, with the exception of Gordon Freeman. Considering how Western "normal" characters have been bombing all contest, Freeman breaking 50% in his match has to be a good sign for him, though maybe the fact that he's never missed a contest helps out his strength a lot.
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#126 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:18:52 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
I do think Tifa should impress next match, even if she ends up disappointing later on in the contest. Normally I wouldn't even consider TJF between such well known characters but given that her closest competitor is Thunder Thighs and the fact that Tifa's jugs in this picture are just out of f***ing control I'm pretty certain Chun-Li's gonna underperform.

Chun-Li doesn't exactly have mosquito bites either.


Chun's fine and all but it's like, why have oranges when you can have watermelons? <_<
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#127 | Gatarix | Posted 8/8/2013 10:19:11 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I do think Tifa should impress next match, even if she ends up disappointing later on in the contest. Normally I wouldn't even consider TJF between such well known characters but given that her closest competitor is Thunder Thighs and the fact that Tifa's jugs in this picture are just out of f***ing control I'm pretty certain Chun-Li's gonna underperform.

If this happens, can we call it a thigh deboost?

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#128 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/8/2013 10:19:46 AM | message detail
Tonight's match is interesting insofar as Tifa/Chun has a pretty wide range. It would seem that Tifa, despite being FFVII, is the right type of character to beat Chun down (hasn't Tifa been pretty safe from FFVII-antivoting before?), but we haven't seen Chun-Li since the fighting game resurgence in 2009. I currently have it at about a 65/35 split, yet any further tweaking in Tifa's favor seems like a blowout that FFVII just can't attain nowadays, and any tweaking in Chun's favor seems a bit unrealistic. I dunno!
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#129 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/8/2013 10:20:26 AM | message detail
creativename posted...
I don't know why people want to blame XBone for this. Chief lost to Hayabusa last time and has only had reason to get weaker

Halo 4 made no splash at all, MC's franchise is not relevant, and MC is definitely not the kind of character who could survive his series falling by the wayside.

ExThaNemesis posted...
Ugh, Yuna doing so well means that she very well could split with Tifa next round. Which would be GREAT news for me if Dragonborn had proven to be worth a damn.

You had Dragonborn over Tifa?! That's certainly a ballsy pick!


Turning out to be a mighty stupid one. I thought if he could be Shepard level strong (and that's not unreasonable given the stature of Skyrim) and with Yuna and Tifa killing each other he might be able to sneak through and it'd be a great upset pick.

And then he went out and laid a massive egg against Pyramid Head and an Animal Crossing character.
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#130 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/8/2013 10:20:27 AM | message detail
I still can't comprehend Drake struggling with Pac-Man

You act as if Pac-Man is some unknown character, a character with something like 90%+ recognition is going to have some strength.
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#131 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/8/2013 10:21:16 AM | message detail
Chun got 40% on Yuna back in her last match...although I guess that's not looking so bad now lol.

I keep forgetting that Chief has beaten Yuna before. LOL what happened to him?
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#132 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/8/2013 10:24:04 AM | message detail
Yuna's performance in 2006 was a bit questionable

Chun-Li got 34% on Bowser in 2005, Ken got 36% on Ganondorf from last contest if you want a more recent measuring stick.
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#133 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/8/2013 10:24:41 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
I still can't comprehend Drake struggling with Pac-Man

You act as if Pac-Man is some unknown character, a character with something like 90%+ recognition is going to have some strength.


Nathan Drake is the face of one of the biggest franchises of the current generation.

Or I dunno. I just get the feeling that Uncharted 2 is considered to be a classic now. I probably just got overly caught up in the praise all those big Western games got.

Either way, I feel like noting that before seeing the results, I put this music on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyUiu_2jjP8

When that got over, I put this on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srv8Jp1GwM8

2001FAQs FTW.

Also I feel like mentioning that I had Chief in my bracket initially. It was watching an LP of the original Halo that made me think about the match more, I think just because I was in a "2001 games mood" (watching an LP of MGS2 as well and getting hyped for Final Fantasy X HD) so I just felt like evaluation the match more and I ended up going with Yuna. Thankfully it paid off lol.

Is there any dispute that Master Chief is the biggest choker in contest history?
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#134 | tgs2 | Posted 8/8/2013 10:25:54 AM | message detail
Chief clutched against DK which makes DK the biggest choker by default.
#135 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/8/2013 10:26:20 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Yuna's performance in 2006 was a bit questionable.


True. The stupid thing is that you could argue that this Master Chief is the strongest character Yuna's ever beaten (otherwise it would be...Alucard at his weakest!), and that this is the first notable upset Yuna has ever pulled off.

Next year put Master Chief against Phoenix Wright...oh wait that probably doesn't happen. Okay, Chief vs. Altair!

Or better yet, re-run Chief vs. Donkey Kong.
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#136 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/8/2013 10:26:38 AM | message detail
Yuna > Tifa would be the greatest result ever, sadly, Gamefaqs won't be sensible enough to vote for a well-developed lead from FFX over a well-endowed bimbo from FF7.
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#137 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/8/2013 10:26:54 AM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
Chief clutched against DK which makes DK the biggest choker by default.


Agree with me on this: If DK somehow beats Lightning, Chief becomes the biggest choker.
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#138 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:27:55 AM | message detail
Everything in the female bracket was questionable. Tifa almost broke the Noble Nine and probably would have if she was as big a favorite as Samus was in that match. There's honestly a decent amount of things from the female bracket I want to see back, chief among them Carmen Sandiego. She's got too much name recognition for me to take the Zelda match as legit, she's probably high fodder/low midcard.
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#139 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/8/2013 10:28:13 AM | message detail
Watch Thunder Thighs lose to Cirno.
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#140 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/8/2013 10:33:44 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Everything in the female bracket was questionable. Tifa almost broke the Noble Nine and probably would have if she was as big a favorite as Samus was in that match. There's honestly a decent amount of things from the female bracket I want to see back, chief among them Carmen Sandiego. She's got too much name recognition for me to take the Zelda match as legit, she's probably high fodder/low midcard.


Tifa doing that well was a combination of obvious winner anti-voting in the female bracket + Kingdom Hearts II Factor + the possibility of Samus underperforming based on the pic. Honestly, if you held that match today - WITHOUT A GENDER-SPLIT BRACKET - with the same pic, Samus probably gets at least 55%.
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#141 | swordz9 | Posted 8/8/2013 10:34:31 AM | message detail
Was thinking of voting for Cirno, but I'll probably vote Chun Li in the hopes of unlikely upset.
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#142 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 8/8/2013 10:34:50 AM | message detail
Just woke up
LOL CHIEF
Are we thinking Tifa > Yuna > Dragonborn is a possibility?
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#143 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:38:26 AM | message detail
I... see little reason why that shouldn't be the favorite unless Tifa can SFF Yuna hard. Unless Pyramid Head and Nook have gotten ridiculously stronger, Dragonborn looks to be pretty bad fodder.
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#144 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/8/2013 10:39:45 AM | message detail
Western characters suck so bad in this site that it isn't even funny to talk.But characters from the east even if they are from obscure games are really strong.Makes sense.
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#145 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 8/8/2013 10:44:09 AM | message detail
How is Yuna from an "obscure game"
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#146 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/8/2013 10:44:58 AM | message detail
Would Master Chief lose to any of the following characters?

Altair
Peach
Gordon Freeman
Terra
Albert Wesker
KOS-MOS
Crash Bandicoot
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#147 | Greyfeld | Posted 8/8/2013 10:45:48 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I... see little reason why that shouldn't be the favorite unless Tifa can SFF Yuna hard. Unless Pyramid Head and Nook have gotten ridiculously stronger, Dragonborn looks to be pretty bad fodder.


Despite both being female characters from Final Fantasy games, I don't think there's going to be a whole lot of SFF going on. The characters are very, very different, both in the way they're designed and the way they're written. In addition, there's not a whole lot of overlap between the FF7 and FFX fanbases. Almost any times I've seen a people discuss their favorite FF games, almost nobody marked FF7 and FFX on the same list.
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#148 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/8/2013 10:46:52 AM | message detail
Wait Chief seems to be rising!
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#149 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/8/2013 10:47:13 AM | message detail
Yeah, FFX is the favourite Final Fantasy of the kiddies (their first JRPG), FFVII gets more respect from older fans. Don't buy the overlap between the two.
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#150 | Karma Hunter (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/8/2013 10:47:13 AM | message detail
Greyfeld posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I... see little reason why that shouldn't be the favorite unless Tifa can SFF Yuna hard. Unless Pyramid Head and Nook have gotten ridiculously stronger, Dragonborn looks to be pretty bad fodder.


Despite both being female characters from Final Fantasy games, I don't think there's going to be a whole lot of SFF going on. The characters are very, very different, both in the way they're designed and the way they're written. In addition, there's not a whole lot of overlap between the FF7 and FFX fanbases. Almost any times I've seen a people discuss their favorite FF games, almost nobody marked FF7 and FFX on the same list.


Uh... there's definitely a lot of overlap between FF7 and FFX. We've seen a lot of crazy hard SFF beatings in matches involving them.
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