Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1098

#151 | CrushDavis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:18:15 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
no more western characters in our contests


Yeah, I dunno if we'll ever find a truly strong new Western character these days. Why can't the West have more memorable character designs?
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#152 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/7/2013 9:18:22 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
pjbasis posted...
Modern Warfare 2


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4962

What about it?


Man, too bad we didn't have that poll before GotD, I might have taken Majora in the finals. How is Brawl barely beating TP?
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#153 | cyko | Posted 8/7/2013 9:18:58 PM | message detail
my Oracle prediction looks pretty good right now:


Dragonborn - 40.19%
Tom Nook - 33.43%
Pyramid Head - 26.38%

Seriously, though - why was anyone expecting Dragonborn to be worth much of anything? Haven't we seen enough examples that this smaller voter base has shifted towards older characters? Newer characters just aren't worth anything.
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#154 | pjbasis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:18:59 PM | message detail
I don't know man.

Stop posting that poll around ok
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#155 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 8/7/2013 9:19:00 PM | message detail
I went up 7 spots (to 10th) with L Block > no pick > no pick
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#156 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 9:19:41 PM | message detail
Eh I don't think Dragonborn's problem is his design anyway, it's more the malleability. I love my Dragonborn more than these characters but I'm rooting for PH here because this clown with the Iron Helmet is a doofus.
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#157 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/7/2013 9:20:18 PM | message detail
CrushDavis posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
no more western characters in our contests


Yeah, I dunno if we'll ever find a truly strong new Western character these days. Why can't the West have more memorable character designs?


Memorable isn't the issue, otherwise Mordin would have beat Epona
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#158 | pjbasis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:20:48 PM | message detail
LordoftheMorons posted...
I went up 7 spots (to 10th) with L Block > no pick > no pick


Remember to bank more often, got it
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#159 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/7/2013 9:21:00 PM | message detail
I still haven't voted. This is probably my toughest vote of the contest thus far - how funny that it's between arguably the two most different characters in the whole thing.

Nook

Pyramid

Love em both!
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#160 | xp1337 | Posted 8/7/2013 9:22:38 PM | message detail | (edited)
AlecTrevelyan006 posted...
Sorozone posted...
Looks like people had Teemo in 2nd for the majority of the Expert, I don't think I moved in the standings. I think I was 18th.


I went up a spot (40 to 39) with Teemo in 2nd for 0 points.

I presumably went up 3 spots (tied with 4 others, looking like 52nd, to 49th) with Teemo for 0 points so yeah this was probably something like 80%+ with Teemo and the rest with the upset.
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#161 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 9:21:22 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
How is Brawl barely beating TP?


It only got 52% on it in GOTD!
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#162 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/7/2013 9:21:33 PM | message detail
There's a lot in Nook's favor here really.

1. He stands out like crazy.

2. New Leaf just came out and I've seen more discussion on it than I've seen for an Animal Crossing since the original.

3. A lot of the hatedom Animal Crossing had about being a "non-game" or whatever has largely died down and I've even seen a lot of former haters get into New Leaf.
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#163 | pjbasis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:21:49 PM | message detail
Switching to Yuna > Chief

It's all too clear to me now
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#164 | Rad_Dudesman | Posted 8/7/2013 9:21:59 PM | message detail
Pyramid Head's pic looks like complete crap, and Nook sticks out like a sore thumb
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#165 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 9:22:43 PM | message detail
This has nothing to do with Master Chief. I say this as someone who predicted a low 40s performance from Dragonborn here

Chief gonna wreck tomorrow
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#166 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/7/2013 9:22:44 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
How is Brawl barely beating TP?


It only got 52% on it in GOTD!


Forgot that match was so close. How did we not have more people jump on the Majora bandwagon later in the contest?
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#167 | Articuno2001 (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/7/2013 9:23:01 PM | message detail
From: pjbasis | #163
Switching to Yuna > Chief

It's all too clear to me now


I have that in my bracket. easy choice.
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#168 | Xuxon | Posted 8/7/2013 9:23:21 PM | message detail
From: Lopen | Posted: 8/8/2013 12:22:43 AM | #165
This has nothing to do with Master Chief. I say this as someone who predicted a low 40s performance from Dragonborn here

Chief gonna wreck tomorrow

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#169 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/7/2013 9:23:32 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
There's a lot in Nook's favor here really.

1. He stands out like crazy.

2. New Leaf just came out and I've seen more discussion on it than I've seen for an Animal Crossing since the original.

3. A lot of the hatedom Animal Crossing had about being a "non-game" or whatever has largely died down and I've even seen a lot of former haters get into New Leaf.


I agree about New Leaf. There's just a ton of discussion and buzz about that game. It's the first handheld game I've seen make a splash since... whatever the last Pokemon was. btw, considering that he's Nintendo and would stand out like crazy (yet again), Nook probably had the better chance with the Tifa upset all along. How about that.
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#170 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/7/2013 9:23:33 PM | message detail
Western leads all look exactly the same and that's a major problem for them. Even someone like Nathan Drake, who gets rave reviews from people, looks like a total McDude who can barely even put one over on Pac-Man. Shepard is probably the only one worth a damn because he comes from a popular RPG... and he still started out in the basement of getting doubled by Magus.
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#171 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 9:23:41 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
How did we not have more people jump on the Majora bandwagon later in the contest?


Because it looked pretty bad in the 2009 Games Contest and faced a lot of unproven competition in its division.
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#172 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 9:24:28 PM | message detail
Yeah, this match has nothing to do with Master Chief. He'd suck tomorrow even if Dragonborn got 70%!
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#173 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:24:42 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Western leads all look exactly the same and that's a major problem for them. Even someone like Nathan Drake, who gets rave reviews from people, looks like a total McDude who can barely even put one over on Pac-Man. Shepard is probably the only one worth a damn because he comes from a popular RPG... and he still started out in the basement of getting doubled by Magus.


why oh why did I pick Shepard over Aeris
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#174 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/7/2013 9:25:00 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
2Dover3D posted...
45% is no guarantee for Dragonborn, nor should it serve as his pink slip from these contests. Tom Nook might put up a crazy overperformance. He stands out about as much as possible, and neither of his opponents have the slightest tie to Nintendo.


I'm sorry, if you can't double an Animal Crossing character then you have no place in these contests any more, and this comes from a big Skyrim fan. We should find another Skyrim character that might have more success if thats the case... maybe the guard who took an arrow in the knee.

If Dragonborn is weak then no one in Skyrim will have anything even approaching strength.

I mean, hypothetically who would even be the strongest character from Skyrim after Dragonborn? Ulfric? This is totally Dragonborn or bust.


The fact that it took Skyrim to get an Elder Scrolls character into a Character Battle when both Morrowind and Oblivion have pulled wild upsets in past contests should tell you everything you need to know. Remember how Kerrigan was overestimated to high hell and back in her debut year because of how well Starcraft did in Games 2004? Sometimes strong games just don't have strong characters.

I mean Dragonborn's not looking quite that bad, but given what these two characters have done in the past, it looks like Dragonborn's high fodder at best.
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#175 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2013 9:25:18 PM | message detail
Updated Top 10

Top 10 Largest Day Vote Gaps
1. Solid Snake – 23261 vs. Commander Keen – 2769 – Round 1 – 20492
2. Solid Snake – 23261 vs. Isaac – 6637 – Round 1 – 16624
3. Sonic the Hedgehog – 20669 vs. Dan Hibiki – 4217 – Round 1 – 16452
4. Luigi – 19844 vs. Jade – 3753 – Round 1 – 16091
5. L-Block – 18468 vs. Teemo -3788 – Round 1 – 14680
6. Raiden – 18775 vs. Alan Wake – 4152 – Round 1 – 14623
7. Crono – 20077 vs. Sarah Kerrigan – 5654 – Round 1 – 14423
8. Sonic the Hedgehog – 20669 vs. Fei Fong Wong – 6288 – Round 1 – 14381
9. Bowser – 18778 vs. Archer – 4767 – Round 1 – 14011
10. Zidane Tribal – 15531 vs. Spring Breeze Dancin’ – 1587 – Round 1 – 13944

Top 10 Highest Day Individual Votes
1. Solid Snake – Round 1 – 23261
2. Sonic the Hedgehog – Round 1 – 20669
3. Crono – Round 1 – 20077
4. Luigi – Round 1 – 19844
5. Bowser – Round 1 – 18778
6. Raiden – Round 1 – 18775
7. L-Block – Round 1 – 18468
8. Ryu – Round 1 – 18376
9. Commander Shepard – Round 1 – 17993
10. Dante – Round 1 – 17305

Top 10 Lowest Day Individual Votes
1. Spring Breeze Dancin’ – Round 1 – 1587
2. Wolf O’Donnell – Round 1 – 2322
3. Commander Keen – Round 1 – 2769
4. Kaim Argonar – Round 1 – 2994
5. Dunban – Round 1 – 3233
6. Jade – Round 1 – 3753
7. Teemo – Round 1 – 3788
8. Raz – Round 1 – 4128
9. Alan Wake – Round 1 – 4152
10. Dan Hibiki – Round 1 – 4217
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#176 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/7/2013 9:25:45 PM | message detail
Ah well....good try, Tom Nook. At least you gave Dragonborn a good scare.
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#177 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 9:25:52 PM | message detail
Honestly Dragonborn's not even a generic mcdude that iron helmet look is pretty distinctive.

It's just that unlike Shepard there's a lot less standard character creation/definition involved-- I'm sure plenty of Dragonborn voters are put off by seeing that dude.
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#178 | pjbasis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:26:12 PM | message detail
I still believe in Shepard > Aerith


Seifer stunk up the joint so bad poop had to move out

And Rinoa did well against her all things considered
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#179 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 9:26:18 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
why oh why did I pick Shepard over Aeris


That's still a fine pick, honestly. Shepard's the exception, not the rule, unless you think he's really close to Garrus.

In the match KH referenced, all Shepard had was the original Mass Effect, which honestly was not that well received and Shepard was a pretty stiff character in that one. Mass Effect and Shepard didn't come into their own until the sequels.
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#180 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 8/7/2013 9:26:25 PM | message detail
Animal Crossing is also going to be represented in the next Smash Bros. That might be helping Nook a bit here. I'm sure the playrate went up after that announcement.
#181 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/7/2013 9:26:35 PM | message detail
Shepard actually looked really good, and that was despite getting handicapped with a FemShep pic and facing another Nintendo character who stood out like crazy. Shep looked a hell of a lot stronger than Dragonborn does now; he's still the favorite over Aeris.
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#182 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/7/2013 9:26:43 PM | message detail
If someone has to champion western gaming, it has to be Shepard. I still think she has a shot against Aerith.
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#183 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/7/2013 9:26:58 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
How did we not have more people jump on the Majora bandwagon later in the contest?


Because it looked pretty bad in the 2009 Games Contest and faced a lot of unproven competition in its division.


Somehow I totally forgot we had a 4-way game contest.

Why the hell did I have Majora going so far in GotD?
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#184 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/7/2013 9:27:13 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
How is Brawl barely beating TP?


It only got 52% on it in GOTD!


Forgot that match was so close. How did we not have more people jump on the Majora bandwagon later in the contest?


because you have people like LMS
#185 | Rad_Dudesman | Posted 8/7/2013 9:27:37 PM | message detail
Dragonborn's looking like complete crap now
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#186 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/7/2013 9:27:40 PM | message detail
Admittedly, I'd be happier if Nook were actually winning, but I still feel like this "underperformance" is enough. Definitely sounds like Dragonborn not being able to win next round is going to bust a few brackets.
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#187 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:28:09 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Honestly Dragonborn's not even a generic mcdude that iron helmet look is pretty distinctive.

It's just that unlike Shepard there's a lot less standard character creation/definition involved-- I'm sure plenty of Dragonborn voters are put off by seeing that dude.


I didn't think all the Skyrim nerds would be weirdos like you, who get attached to their own specific model instead of the face of their game.

No more Elder Scrolls trash in our contests pls
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#188 | pjbasis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:28:13 PM | message detail
The only argument I can see for Chief now is that Halo has bounced back like Pokemon and PS1 platformers and actually has some nostalgia going for it.
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#189 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2013 9:28:39 PM | message detail
The fact that it took Skyrim to get an Elder Scrolls character into a Character Battle when both Morrowind and Oblivion have pulled wild upsets in past contests should tell you everything you need to know. Remember how Kerrigan was overestimated to high hell and back in her debut year because of how well Starcraft did in Games 2004? Sometimes strong games just don't have strong characters.

The Elder Scrolls aren't really the type of series that got people to back just one character.
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#190 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 9:29:09 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
The only argument I can see for Chief now is that Halo has bounced back like Pokemon and PS1 platformers and actually has some nostalgia going for it.


Not sure why Halo would get nostalgia and not FFX! They're pretty much the same age!
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#191 | superange128 | Posted 8/7/2013 9:29:38 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
Lopen posted...
Honestly Dragonborn's not even a generic mcdude that iron helmet look is pretty distinctive.

It's just that unlike Shepard there's a lot less standard character creation/definition involved-- I'm sure plenty of Dragonborn voters are put off by seeing that dude.


I didn't think all the Skyrim nerds would be weirdos like you, who get attached to their own specific model instead of the face of their game.

No more Elder Scrolls trash in our contests pls


I thought the whole point of WRPGs is to design a character you the player specifically like
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#192 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/7/2013 9:29:44 PM | message detail
I wouldn't say Shepard did good at all. I don't have any faith in Olimar.
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#193 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/7/2013 9:29:47 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
Lopen posted...
Honestly Dragonborn's not even a generic mcdude that iron helmet look is pretty distinctive.

It's just that unlike Shepard there's a lot less standard character creation/definition involved-- I'm sure plenty of Dragonborn voters are put off by seeing that dude.


I didn't think all the Skyrim nerds would be weirdos like you, who get attached to their own specific model instead of the face of their game.

No more Elder Scrolls trash in our contests pls


Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that doesn't bother "customizing" characters in games.

Give me the default model and don't waste my time trying to make my character's hair "pretty"
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#194 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 9:29:49 PM | message detail
I didn't think all the Skyrim nerds would be weirdos like you, who get attached to their own specific model instead of the face of their game.

Well if you'd played the game it wouldn't surprise you. Dude's not very strongly characterized and that's not even "the default model" or anything.

Hell no one uses heavy armor anyway it's all about light armor.
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#195 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/7/2013 9:30:13 PM | message detail
Indeed, Shepard > Aeris should probably still be considered the favorite pick. FF7 has just looked that bad, and I named out Shepard as an exception to the rule specifically. Especially assuming he gets his distinctive Male Shepard look, which like it or not the majority of people out there, no matter who they played as, instantly identify as Shepard.

But if Shepard was like a Cloud or something, both in his design and in not being able to change how he looks in the game? ME might be less popular generally, but Shepard would be absolute catnip to GameFAQs. Near-elite.
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#196 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/7/2013 9:30:19 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
The only argument I can see for Chief now is that Halo has bounced back like Pokemon and PS1 platformers and actually has some nostalgia going for it.


Possible, but unlikely. The bungled X-Boner conference at E3 did a helluva lot of damage to any sentiment that was going Microsoft's way.
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#197 | Xuxon | Posted 8/7/2013 9:30:28 PM | message detail
Shepard looked bad and Aeris looked "who knows." i'll probably decide my pick there based on how well Tifa does. if she looks really bad like the FF7 males have then i'll take Shep. if she just looks at least as good as Auron i'll probably stick with Aeris.
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#198 | pjbasis | Posted 8/7/2013 9:30:35 PM | message detail
FFX is already popular enough.

Things that were heavily anti-voted like Pokemon and Halo can it make that much of a difference.
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#199 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/7/2013 9:30:40 PM | message detail
Dragonborn doesn't speak apart from the shout attacks, does he? He's a silent protagonist, and most people play the game in first-person and don't even see him. He and Shepard are quite different.
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#200 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/7/2013 9:30:54 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
The only argument I can see for Chief now is that Halo has bounced back like Pokemon and PS1 platformers and actually has some nostalgia going for it.


Considering Halo is synonymous with the most hated thing in gaming right now. Fat chance of that happening.
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