Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1097

#251 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 1:05:53 PM | message detail
Those rally trends were far from normal. They were actually much too consistent to be a rally. It's more like "he stuffed X votes per update" and then the actual rally made any sort of trends (there weren't many) that existed for him.
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#252 | cade | Posted 8/7/2013 1:06:28 PM | message detail
Considering Teemo is the most hated champion in the entirety of LoL the fact he has no rally is not unexpected. To put it in perspective Teemo is the least popular character out of the 115 that are in the game. Pick the 115th most popular character from any other franchise and see what happens...
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#253 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 1:08:59 PM | message detail
Also if you want my idea of how that match goes without stuffing, look at the results for America

Jak - 41%
Draven - 31%
Chie - 27%

That's probably about the extent of the rally power. I don't know where people are getting that most of Reddit's visitors are European anyway they're not. It's an American site I'm pretty sure site traffic statistics say about 60% of users are from the US
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#254 | cade | Posted 8/7/2013 1:10:20 PM | message detail
How many votes came from Europe in the Draven match compared to in the average match?
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#255 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:10:50 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
Yeah this is making Draven's round 1 performance very hard to believe. It's very hard to get a rally to make as much difference as in Draven's match and then you look at how terrible Teemo is doing........

To bring about the Draven swing you need a rabid fanbase and surely if the LoL fanbase cares that much to rally that amount of votes for him then Teemo would be the same.

Biggest red flag is how Draven completely dominated Europe and then you look at Teemo today and he SUCKS there. Jak won 40>31 in the US so Europe must of swung that match and then suddenly they dont care at all about LoL in this match?


I hate to admit it but maybe that sad excuse of "nobody likes Teemo but more people like Draven" is correct?
But even so..even if this is correct...to be so weak as to lose to Palutena..? something is either wrong here or wrong there
#256 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:14:06 PM | message detail | (edited)
cade posted...
Considering Teemo is the most hated champion in the entirety of LoL the fact he has no rally is not unexpected. To put it in perspective Teemo is the least popular character out of the 115 that are in the game. Pick the 115th most popular character from any other franchise and see what happens...


Which would raise the question why he got nominated so much...?


Also if you want my idea of how that match goes without stuffing, look at the results for America

Jak - 41%
Draven - 31%
Chie - 27%

That's probably about the extent of the rally power. I don't know where people are getting that most of Reddit's visitors are European anyway they're not. It's an American site I'm pretty sure site traffic statistics say about 60% of users are from the US

I think Allen stated that most votes came from Europe Reddit
#257 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 1:13:29 PM | message detail
cade posted...
How many votes came from Europe in the Draven match compared to in the average match?


We don't have actual numbers for some stupid reason but "enough to flip the results of a 41-31 in a match on a site where about 70% of the vote comes from North America"

That is to say quite a lot.
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#258 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:14:41 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
Yeah this is making Draven's round 1 performance very hard to believe. It's very hard to get a rally to make as much difference as in Draven's match and then you look at how terrible Teemo is doing........

To bring about the Draven swing you need a rabid fanbase and surely if the LoL fanbase cares that much to rally that amount of votes for him then Teemo would be the same.

Biggest red flag is how Draven completely dominated Europe and then you look at Teemo today and he SUCKS there. Jak won 40>31 in the US so Europe must of swung that match and then suddenly they dont care at all about LoL in this match?


It's not that hard to believe. In fact, anyone saying that Draven was obviously vote stuffed and there were shenanigans aren't looking at the details.

Here's the rally topic for Draven from last month: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1i4u4m/support_draven_in_the_gamefaqs_character_battle/

Hit the front page of the subreddit, nearly 700 upvotes for visibility, 187 comments in the thread (and many more clickthroughs to the poll where people didn't comment). Even if some of the comments said they weren't voting for Draven, this thread had front page status on a MASSIVE subreddit (300k+ subscribers). Considering the thread had peak visibility at 3-5AM EST, it's not a surprise that Draven finished behind Jak in the US. Look at the heat map: Draven won 4 states, 3 of which were California, Washington, and Hawaii (and he was only .5% behind in Oregon) West coast was still awake between midnight and 2AM, and not coincidentally Draven took the WC + Hawaii easily.

Here's the rally topic for Teemo started 3 hours ago:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1jw45q/support_teemo_in_gamefaqs_character_battle/

Nothing even close to the front page, so very little visibility (I actually had to search for "Teemo" using the search option and find it, and even then it was only the third most relevant Teemo post from today) . 14 upvotes, 8 comments in the thread (all anti-Teemo, incidentally). Given what Devin Morgan said about the Draven rally being almost entirely from Reddit, it's no surpise that Teemo is flopping as bad given how nobody wanted to upvote the thread.

I found this gem from a Reddit user in the Teemo topic; so much GameFAQs hate!

Your average 12 hour poll is getting 20-25k total votes. This subreddit alone has 327k subscribers. If 8% of this subreddit see a frontpage thread and go vote for Draven, he could probably crush Link TBH (They'll meet in round 3 if both win next round). Not to mention any random thread that goes big in GD, especially if it gets a Riot post. I doubt any rally could get enough momentum however, but the possibility is there and the tears from GameFAQs users who study these contests like they're Ph.D courses would be hilarious if Link lost in round 3

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#259 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/7/2013 1:15:13 PM | message detail
Teemo is the John Cena of LoL, apparently - you either love him or hate him, but you do have a strong opinion on the guy. It seems that anti-votes would cause Teemo to lose a 1v1 popularity poll against any of the other LoL characters, but put them all in a 115-way poll (oh god), and Teemo might win.
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#260 | The Mana Sword | Posted 8/7/2013 1:15:52 PM | message detail
lopen doing his best lefty impression I see
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#261 | KamikazePotato | Posted 8/7/2013 1:16:23 PM | message detail
I think that Draven did get some support from rallies, but I would not at all be surprised if there was foul play involved as well.
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#262 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:16:50 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
That's probably about the extent of the rally power. I don't know where people are getting that most of Reddit's visitors are European anyway they're not. It's an American site I'm pretty sure site traffic statistics say about 60% of users are from the US


As someone who frequents the LoL subreddit often, I assure you that Europe has a huge presence there.
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#263 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:19:03 PM | message detail
quick, crash reddit on Draven's match :P
#264 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 1:19:39 PM | message detail
I'm sure it does. 1/3 visitors is a pretty large presence.

I'm pretty sure that the "rally" implies it's more like 90% European though.
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#265 | LOLContests | Posted 8/7/2013 1:21:51 PM | message detail | (edited)
Lopen posted...
cade posted...
How many votes came from Europe in the Draven match compared to in the average match?


We don't have actual numbers for some stupid reason but "enough to flip the results of a 41-31 in a match on a site where about 70% of the vote comes from North America"

That is to say quite a lot.


The ratio of people who play LoL vs. people who visit GameFAQS is probably skewed much more towards the former in Europe, so rallying would have a much greater effect.

Not to mention how would the rallier make his votes come "from" every country in Europe. And not only do they come from every country in Europe, if you look at the European countries with state by state results, the Draven numbers are more or less consistent across all of them. Either proxy servers are that spread out naturally, or there was some tremendous coordination going on with the stuffing.
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#266 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/7/2013 1:19:56 PM | message detail
Pssh Yoblazer, forget Draven being the result of George Romero, what if Kefka's Rd. 1 performance was George Romero?
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#267 | Figgy20000 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:22:11 PM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
These rally threads are just going nowhere. I wonder where Draven was getting so many votes consistently from?


I love league of legends. I hate Teemo, that's where.

I voted for Draven and L-Block.
#268 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/7/2013 1:23:27 PM | message detail
George been busy!
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#269 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:24:30 PM | message detail
rally the Dota forums against Draven =D
#270 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:26:57 PM | message detail
At least Teemo will give us something to adjust Draven by in the X-Stats...!

Using Draven's lowest percent against Jak (32.34%) puts Jak at 27.32% on L-Block. I feel Draven is stronger on GameFAQs, but I guess we don't have much to work with unless Draven fails to get rallied against MMX/Ryu.
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#271 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/7/2013 1:28:09 PM | message detail
so

dat LoL rally huh
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#272 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:29:56 PM | message detail
Figgy20000 posted...
Denzokuken posted...
These rally threads are just going nowhere. I wonder where Draven was getting so many votes consistently from?


I love league of legends. I hate Teemo, that's where.

I voted for Draven and L-Block.


And I voted Draven too because I hate Jak for sucking in those contests and I don't give a damn about Persona
But I would vote for X over anything LoL and I would even vote for Ryu despite not playing a SF game for 15 years
This is what is going to happen with a lot of people
#273 | Figgy20000 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:38:34 PM | message detail
People don't seem to get the fact that LoL players including me absolutely hate Teemo more than any other champion in the entire game.

He wouldn't get my vote over anyone.

But I'd vote for a lot of other league champions. easily.

Most people who play LoL feel the exact same way.
#274 | CrushDavis | Posted 8/7/2013 1:41:51 PM | message detail
I can't wait to see how high Dragonborn goes tonight.. with how weak Tom and Pyramid Head are, I'm thinking about 60% (since I expect he'll be about Shepard strength).
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#275 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 1:42:46 PM | message detail
Rooting for Tom Nook to score the crazy upset
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#276 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:44:13 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Rooting for Tom Nook to score the crazy upset


AnimalCrossingFAQs
#277 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/7/2013 1:45:17 PM | message detail
Figgy20000 posted...
People don't seem to get the fact that LoL players including me absolutely hate Teemo more than any other champion in the entire game.

He wouldn't get my vote over anyone.

But I'd vote for a lot of other league champions. easily.

Most people who play LoL feel the exact same way.


This. Like half the roster would take my vote against most guys.
#278 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/7/2013 1:48:05 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Rooting for Tom Nook to score the crazy upset


AnimalCrossingFAQs


Isabelle is really unlucky that she didn't make it in this year. With DogFAQs being all the rage this year, she'd be a solid contender!
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#279 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:48:23 PM | message detail
I dunno about Dragonborn
Without playing Skyrim it sounds to me like...it's like to have a Diablo 2 Barbarian in a contest or something
Of course i'm probably dead wrong and it's nothing like this at all but whatever
#280 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/7/2013 1:51:07 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Figgy20000 posted...
People don't seem to get the fact that LoL players including me absolutely hate Teemo more than any other champion in the entire game.

He wouldn't get my vote over anyone.

But I'd vote for a lot of other league champions. easily.

Most people who play LoL feel the exact same way.


This. Like half the roster would take my vote against most guys.

So are you admitting the League of Legends fanbase are DRONES?
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#281 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/7/2013 1:54:14 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Figgy20000 posted...
People don't seem to get the fact that LoL players including me absolutely hate Teemo more than any other champion in the entire game.

He wouldn't get my vote over anyone.

But I'd vote for a lot of other league champions. easily.

Most people who play LoL feel the exact same way.


This. Like half the roster would take my vote against most guys.

So are you admitting the League of Legends fanbase are DRONES?


No. I'm admitting that LoL champions have more personality than half the roster. This isn't rocket science guys. Let me explain it in layman's terms for people who don't play LoL. Imagine if every Street Fighter character ever was in one game and it was the most popular game in the world. Wouldn't you expect all those Rose/Ken/Oro mains to band together to support their guy? And wouldn't you expect Ryu to be godslayingly strong as well?
#282 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:55:34 PM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Figgy20000 posted...
People don't seem to get the fact that LoL players including me absolutely hate Teemo more than any other champion in the entire game.

He wouldn't get my vote over anyone.

But I'd vote for a lot of other league champions. easily.

Most people who play LoL feel the exact same way.


This. Like half the roster would take my vote against most guys.

So are you admitting the League of Legends fanbase are DRONES?


this was obvious from the beginning
#283 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/7/2013 1:56:19 PM | message detail
Oh yeah, and an addendum: And imagine Capcom was a kinda goofy underdog of a company that made it big against juggernaughts like Nintendo and Sony and constantly gave out free swag to its players. Also, imagine if you could at any time talk to guys like Keiji Inafune or Yoshinori Ono or Shu Takumi and hear their thoughts about stuff. Why exactly does all this not predipose you to vote for characters who are part of an experience you find very memorable and pleasant?
#284 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/7/2013 1:59:26 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Oh yeah, and an addendum: And imagine Capcom was a kinda goofy underdog of a company that made it big against juggernaughts like Nintendo and Sony and constantly gave out free swag to its players. Also, imagine if you could at any time talk to guys like Keiji Inafune or Yoshinori Ono or Shu Takumi and hear their thoughts about stuff. Why exactly does all this not predipose you to vote for characters who are part of an experience you find very memorable and pleasant?


The obvious answer: League of Legends played by lots of people, too mainstream, hating it is cool. Just like WoW used to be. All the haters moved on. I just think it's funny how many people have to make it known that they hate League of Legends. I hate plenty of games, including some most people like. Who cares?
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#285 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/7/2013 2:00:39 PM | message detail
raginbull911 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Oh yeah, and an addendum: And imagine Capcom was a kinda goofy underdog of a company that made it big against juggernaughts like Nintendo and Sony and constantly gave out free swag to its players. Also, imagine if you could at any time talk to guys like Keiji Inafune or Yoshinori Ono or Shu Takumi and hear their thoughts about stuff. Why exactly does all this not predipose you to vote for characters who are part of an experience you find very memorable and pleasant?


The obvious answer: League of Legends played by lots of people, too mainstream, hating it is cool. Just like WoW used to be. All the haters moved on. I just think it's funny how many people have to make it known that they hate League of Legends. I hate plenty of games, including some most people like. Who cares?


remember the part where WoW didn't even care enough to ever rally?
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#286 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/7/2013 2:01:05 PM | message detail
I'm hoping Dragonborn can lay down over 70% on these fodderific fools. He's gonna need something very legit, and I honestly think he can do it.
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#287 | Lopen | Posted 8/7/2013 2:02:22 PM | message detail
lol implying Draven is Ryu

Draven's probably most like Blanka in that he has some fans but nothing that far ahead of the rest of the characterbase and he has a lot of people who hate playing against him too

Blanka probably wouldn't be ungodly strong here, but he'd admittedly be a lot better than Twelve who we've got in this match
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#288 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 2:02:22 PM | message detail
I dunno. I think people expecting a lot out of Dragonborn are begging to be disappointed.

I know this is a basic concept that's been said a million times over, but characters =/= games.
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#289 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 2:02:49 PM | message detail
The only game I really love to say I hate is FFVIII
It's just that..when you hate a game so much because it's so terrible and you can't understand why people like it,you must express your opinion
I don't know how many times I tried to replay FFVIII each time hoping that maybe now I will like it..but to no avail
(even though some games are more enjoyable in future playthrougs..because you know where to go,more familiar with the mechanics and exploits.etc)
#290 | CrushDavis | Posted 8/7/2013 2:02:53 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
I'm hoping Dragonborn can lay down over 70% on these fodderific fools. He's gonna need something very legit, and I honestly think he can do it.


He's one of those guys who will probably be laughed at during the board vote and then gain like 10-15% by the end. The board REALLY hates WRPGs for whatever reason.
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#291 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/7/2013 2:03:03 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
raginbull911 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Oh yeah, and an addendum: And imagine Capcom was a kinda goofy underdog of a company that made it big against juggernaughts like Nintendo and Sony and constantly gave out free swag to its players. Also, imagine if you could at any time talk to guys like Keiji Inafune or Yoshinori Ono or Shu Takumi and hear their thoughts about stuff. Why exactly does all this not predipose you to vote for characters who are part of an experience you find very memorable and pleasant?


The obvious answer: League of Legends played by lots of people, too mainstream, hating it is cool. Just like WoW used to be. All the haters moved on. I just think it's funny how many people have to make it known that they hate League of Legends. I hate plenty of games, including some most people like. Who cares?


remember the part where WoW didn't even care enough to ever rally?
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Ulti, you have a new game to make fun of


Because its characters are ass and have no personality. Sorry, but it's true. LoL is the strategy equivalent of a fighting game (seriously, it even has footsies and execution in its own way), and it doesn't take a genius to realize fighting game characterization>>>>>RTS characterization.
#292 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/7/2013 2:03:47 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
The only game I really love to say I hate is FFVIII
It's just that..when you hate a game so much because it's so terrible and you can't understand why people like it,you must express your opinion
I don't know how many times I tried to replay FFVIII each time hoping that maybe now I will like it..but to no avail
(even though some games are more enjoyable in future playthrougs..because you know where to go,more familiar with the mechanics and exploits.etc)


Out of curiosity, which part angers you so much Nanis? There's lots of little details to FF8 you might miss if you don't actively look for 'em.
#293 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 2:04:27 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I dunno. I think people expecting a lot out of Dragonborn are begging to be disappointed.

I know this is a basic concept that's been said a million times over, but characters =/= games.


Yeah he is probably not going to cause too much damage but I believe he will finish first for sure
I wasn't certain but I looked at Tom Nook performance in previous contests and this guy is just...I have no words
Pyramid Head was kinda fine,but he is not Nintendo and Silent Hill is too old
#294 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/7/2013 2:04:35 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I dunno. I think people expecting a lot out of Dragonborn are begging to be disappointed.

I know this is a basic concept that's been said a million times over, but characters =/= games.


True but honestly anyone that likes Skyrim (a lot of the site) should know who Dragonborn is and have an affinity toward him. Like I said, if I can dig the guy based off a trailer and playing zero seconds of Skyrim, the people that actually played the game should have no problem voting him.
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#295 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/7/2013 2:04:37 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
lol implying Draven is Ryu

Draven's probably most like Blanka in that he has some fans but nothing that far ahead of the rest of the characterbase and he has a lot of people who hate playing against him too

Blanka probably wouldn't be ungodly strong here, but he'd admittedly be a lot better than Twelve who we've got in this match


Who said Draven is like Ryu? Garen is the Ryu of LoL. Don't go making logical leaps on me...!
#296 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/7/2013 2:04:52 PM | message detail
For people who don't even play fighting games, here's an analogy.

Teemo is to LoL as Jar Jar Binks is to Star Wars
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#297 | CrushDavis | Posted 8/7/2013 2:05:34 PM | message detail
To think that Nook will beat Dragonborn means that you think Lloyd doubles Dragonborn at least... and with that said, Vault Boy is the absolute floor Dragonborn would have.

Vault Boy (2010c) VS Lloyd Irving (2010c)

Vault Boy has a strength of 23.30.
Lloyd Irving has a strength of 20.09.

Vault Boy wins with 56.89% of the vote!
A win of 8,401 with 60,981 total votes cast.
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#298 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 2:06:06 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
Like I said, if I can dig the guy based off a trailer and playing zero seconds of Skyrim, the people that actually played the game should have no problem voting him.


I really don't know if this is a valid analogy. Lots of people get hyped off of trailers and get disappointed by the actual product.
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#299 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/7/2013 2:06:59 PM | message detail
Not buying that Vault Boy is Dragonborn's floor. I'd vote for the ol' Pipboy Pal over most people because I have very fond memories of Fallout, but not over Dragonborn because I loved Skyrim but he has zero personality. Dragonborn can very well tank. No need to overhype him.
#300 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2013 2:07:14 PM | message detail
Dragonborn's opponents are weak, Tom Nook was doubled by Marcus Fenix.

I think he is going to flop and even then I feel he could break 50% on these guys.
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