Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1096

#351 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/7/2013 3:20:41 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Auron is projected to get 62% on Ocelot according to the 2010 x-stats, but currently he only has 57%. I take it this is supposed to be yet another underperformance for post-SNES Final Fantasy?

You're on watch, Lightning. You're on watch.


While I don't buy the LFF between Auron and Roxas to be that significant, it's entirely possible for Ocelot to be stronger here.

Also don't take x-stats too seriously.
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#352 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 3:20:48 AM | message detail
And Lightning isn't on watch for anything. She's not losing to DK with Falco in the match, and she's not beating Zelda/Charizard.
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#353 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/7/2013 3:23:45 AM | message detail
ZinsanityCraze posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Auron is projected to get 62% on Ocelot according to the 2010 x-stats, but currently he only has 57%. I take it this is supposed to be yet another underperformance for post-SNES Final Fantasy?

You're on watch, Lightning. You're on watch.


While I don't buy the LFF between Auron and Roxas to be that significant, it's entirely possible for Ocelot to be stronger here.

Also don't take x-stats too seriously.


To be honest, I was kinda worried when I saw that Auron was failing to break 60% on Ocelot. I only checked the x-stats just to get some more info on the situation.

I think most of us were expecting Auron to do better than 62% on Ocelot though. Out of curiosity, what does Nathan Drake get on Auron assuming that Pac-Man and Ocelot have been consistent since 2005 (yeah I know there's pretty much a 0% chance of that, but still)?
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#354 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 3:24:31 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Out of curiosity, what does Nathan Drake get on Auron assuming that Pac-Man and Ocelot have been consistent since 2005 (yeah I know there's pretty much a 0% chance of that, but still)?


If you know this is literally meaningless, why ask?
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#355 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 3:32:39 AM | message detail
5% is nothing to get crazy about
#356 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 3:36:50 AM | message detail
Chart from the day match:

Time | Ezio | Tails | Bomber | Votes
0:05 | 38.41% | 46.36% | 15.23% | 151
1:00 | 44.98% | 32.29% | 22.73% | 4642
2:00 | 45.48% | 31.39% | 23.13% | 3654
3:00 | 46.21% | 31.51% | 22.28% | 3075
4:00 | 46.84% | 30.32% | 22.84% | 2658
5:00 | 44.37% | 31.42% | 24.21% | 2495
6:00 | 44.09% | 30.67% | 25.24% | 2504
7:00 | 43.99% | 31.76% | 24.25% | 2264
8:00 | 45.84% | 32.35% | 21.82% | 1994
9:00 | 45.78% | 29.85% | 24.37% | 1896
10:00 | 46.67% | 30.76% | 22.58% | 1785
11:00 | 46.19% | 30.15% | 23.67% | 1652
12:00 | 46.99% | 29.67% | 23.34% | 1547

Other than the board vote, this is a pretty stable match across the board.

X-Stats:

Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 50.00%
Miles “Tails” Prower – 40.67%
Bomberman – 33.86%

Ezio's prediction percentage was 68.15%
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#357 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/7/2013 4:16:54 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
5% is nothing to get crazy about


Yeah but from the looks of it, most of us expected Auron to do way better than that.

It also fits in with FFVII and FFVIII consistently failing to meet expectations so far.
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#358 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 4:19:45 AM | message detail
seriously do you know how to read
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#359 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/7/2013 4:25:57 AM | message detail
Hey Kotetsu why did you closed your topic?You decided to post here like Charmander?
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#360 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 8/7/2013 4:27:50 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
Hey Kotetsu why did you closed your topic?You decided to post here like Charmander?


Yep.
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#361 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/7/2013 4:29:36 AM | message detail
Dang. I was tracking your predictions topic. Now it's going to be harder to find your posts since these topics move so quickly.
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#362 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 4:45:52 AM | message detail
Someone predicted this match would go 60/40 for both characters,so I don't see why you think this is underperformance
Btw,not good in math but I think 44.44 33.33 22.22% means that each character does indeed 60/40 the other,no?
#363 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/7/2013 5:04:28 AM | message detail
Auron is currently getting 57.5% on Ocelot. A little bit of Square LFF plus Ocelot possibly being stronger, this performance is okay, certainly not impressive or bad by any means.
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#364 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/7/2013 5:21:59 AM | message detail | (edited)
Nanis23 posted...
Someone predicted this match would go 60/40 for both characters,so I don't see why you think this is underperformance
Btw,not good in math but I think 44.44 33.33 22.22% means that each character does indeed 60/40 the other,no?


No. 33.33 to 22.22 is 60/40 but 44.44/33.33 is more like 57-43. You can quickly find 1-1 percentages on the following web page:

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=5201&num=3

It doesn't show the percentage between the second and third character though.

(For character 1 to 60-40 character 2 and character 2 to 60-40 character 3 the percentages would be 47,37% - 31,58% - 21,05%)
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#365 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/7/2013 5:33:15 AM | message detail
A lot of people are talking about Teemo's status in the LoL community but they're forgetting that these rallied people aren't like those from /v/ or smashboards or wherever, a lot of those rallied LoL voters are non-gamers. People who literally would have never heard of Persona or Jak & Daxter, that's the kind of people who play Mobas and MMOs.
A rally for a polarised character wouldn't necessarily detract into a "well I'm going to vote for the other guys because I like them more" kind of thing since they probably have no attachment to the others and it could be viewed in "a vote for teemo is a vote for LoL" kind of mindset.

The fanbase is also quite young so could be attracted to notion of "my group of people getting one over on this other group". I don't really accept that these people would let LoL drown for contest integrity in a field that they mostly don't care the slightest about.
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#366 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/7/2013 5:41:10 AM | message detail
For some of the Final Fantasy performances this contest, I think there was always a juvenile sort of attraction to a lot of the masculine/tough guy/brooding/edgy (the kind of characteristics insecure male teens thrive on) characters on gamefaqs that people are probably growing out of at this stage and seeing them more for their true worth. Sephiroth, Auron and Zack especially should never really have been at the levels they were at under mature inspection and if people are justifying it as a new square decline (apart from zidane because he's old square or something) or a dissidia boost for old characters halting the decline (new square boosting old square despite new square being in decline!) I think they're going to be very confused when Tidus performs well.
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#367 | KnuxBeatMagus | Posted 8/7/2013 5:42:26 AM | message detail
I'm not entirely sure what you're even saying but if it means Squall's going to be okay I'll take it
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#368 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/7/2013 5:42:45 AM | message detail
You are not supposed to be hardcore gamer to vote for X or Ryu
There is a clear difference between Jak and X and Street Figher and Persona
#369 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/7/2013 5:47:51 AM | message detail
--Smurf-- posted...
For some of the Final Fantasy performances this contest, I think there was always a juvenile sort of attraction to a lot of the masculine/tough guy/brooding/edgy (the kind of characteristics insecure male teens thrive on) characters on gamefaqs that people are probably growing out of at this stage and seeing them more for their true worth. Sephiroth, Auron and Zack especially should never really have been at the levels they were at under mature inspection and if people are justifying it as a new square decline (apart from zidane because he's old square or something) or a dissidia boost for old characters halting the decline (new square boosting old square despite new square being in decline!) I think they're going to be very confused when Tidus performs well.


This is probably the worst post you have ever made.
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#370 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/7/2013 5:48:20 AM | message detail
--Smurf-- posted...
For some of the Final Fantasy performances this contest, I think there was always a juvenile sort of attraction to a lot of the masculine/tough guy/brooding/edgy (the kind of characteristics insecure male teens thrive on) characters on gamefaqs that people are probably growing out of at this stage and seeing them more for their true worth. Sephiroth, Auron and Zack especially should never really have been at the levels they were at under mature inspection and if people are justifying it as a new square decline (apart from zidane because he's old square or something) or a dissidia boost for old characters halting the decline (new square boosting old square despite new square being in decline!) I think they're going to be very confused when Tidus performs well.


This is patently false. Sephiroth was massive back in the day, not just on gameFAQs. The games are just aging, that's it. Cloud Strife in FFVII isn't really brooding/edgy at all either, and he's dropping harder than the Greek economy.
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#371 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/7/2013 5:56:50 AM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
--Smurf-- posted...
For some of the Final Fantasy performances this contest, I think there was always a juvenile sort of attraction to a lot of the masculine/tough guy/brooding/edgy (the kind of characteristics insecure male teens thrive on) characters on gamefaqs that people are probably growing out of at this stage and seeing them more for their true worth. Sephiroth, Auron and Zack especially should never really have been at the levels they were at under mature inspection and if people are justifying it as a new square decline (apart from zidane because he's old square or something) or a dissidia boost for old characters halting the decline (new square boosting old square despite new square being in decline!) I think they're going to be very confused when Tidus performs well.


This is probably the worst post you have ever made.


What will be your explanation of a strong Tidus performance then?
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#372 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 5:58:03 AM | message detail
I think we'll probably need to wait to see the actual strong Tidus performance first before we come up with explanations for it.
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#373 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/7/2013 5:58:52 AM | message detail
The explanation is going to be "Missingno pulled about the same % on Yoshi, Crono, and Sephiroth".
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#374 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/7/2013 5:59:31 AM | message detail
We'll see if/when it happens. If Tidus performs well and Squall sucks then I'll declare that the best and most prescient post ever made in the stats topic... until then, I think it was just crazy!!
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#375 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/7/2013 6:00:03 AM | message detail
Swarles_Barkley posted...
--Smurf-- posted...
For some of the Final Fantasy performances this contest, I think there was always a juvenile sort of attraction to a lot of the masculine/tough guy/brooding/edgy (the kind of characteristics insecure male teens thrive on) characters on gamefaqs that people are probably growing out of at this stage and seeing them more for their true worth. Sephiroth, Auron and Zack especially should never really have been at the levels they were at under mature inspection and if people are justifying it as a new square decline (apart from zidane because he's old square or something) or a dissidia boost for old characters halting the decline (new square boosting old square despite new square being in decline!) I think they're going to be very confused when Tidus performs well.


This is patently false. Sephiroth was massive back in the day, not just on gameFAQs. The games are just aging, that's it. Cloud Strife in FFVII isn't really brooding/edgy at all either, and he's dropping harder than the Greek economy.


The 3rd most popular character in gaming? That's absolutely ridiculous, he never had that sort of stock anywhere.
Cloud was considered masculine and "badass" all the same, Tidus and Zidane were not.
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#376 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 6:00:24 AM | message detail
Tidus beating Missingno would take out two birds with one stone. Missingno doesn't beat my favorite characters, and it guarantees Squall advances past round 2 (No, Amaterasu won't be strong enough to take advantage of a 75/25 LFF split).
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#377 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 6:01:13 AM | message detail
Cloud was considered masculine? Since when?
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#378 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/7/2013 6:04:19 AM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
We'll see if/when it happens. If Tidus performs well and Squall sucks then I'll declare that the best and most prescient post ever made in the stats topic... until then, I think it was just crazy!!


I'll eagerly await the acknowledgement :P
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#379 | spooky96 | Posted 8/7/2013 6:10:59 AM | message detail
Cloud was considered masculine and "badass" all the same, Tidus and Zidane were not.


By nature, sort of, maybe childish. Physically LOL no, he looks wimpy if you ask me.
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#380 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/7/2013 6:21:38 AM | message detail
--Smurf-- posted...
Denzokuken posted...
--Smurf-- posted...
For some of the Final Fantasy performances this contest, I think there was always a juvenile sort of attraction to a lot of the masculine/tough guy/brooding/edgy (the kind of characteristics insecure male teens thrive on) characters on gamefaqs that people are probably growing out of at this stage and seeing them more for their true worth. Sephiroth, Auron and Zack especially should never really have been at the levels they were at under mature inspection and if people are justifying it as a new square decline (apart from zidane because he's old square or something) or a dissidia boost for old characters halting the decline (new square boosting old square despite new square being in decline!) I think they're going to be very confused when Tidus performs well.


This is probably the worst post you have ever made.


What will be your explanation of a strong Tidus performance then?


It doesn't really matter. There' so much wrong with your post that that explanation is the last one I would look for. I mean really, Zack a tough guy / brooding / edgy? No.
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#381 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/7/2013 6:23:43 AM | message detail
--Smurf-- posted...
Swarles_Barkley posted...
--Smurf-- posted...
For some of the Final Fantasy performances this contest, I think there was always a juvenile sort of attraction to a lot of the masculine/tough guy/brooding/edgy (the kind of characteristics insecure male teens thrive on) characters on gamefaqs that people are probably growing out of at this stage and seeing them more for their true worth. Sephiroth, Auron and Zack especially should never really have been at the levels they were at under mature inspection and if people are justifying it as a new square decline (apart from zidane because he's old square or something) or a dissidia boost for old characters halting the decline (new square boosting old square despite new square being in decline!) I think they're going to be very confused when Tidus performs well.


This is patently false. Sephiroth was massive back in the day, not just on gameFAQs. The games are just aging, that's it. Cloud Strife in FFVII isn't really brooding/edgy at all either, and he's dropping harder than the Greek economy.


The 3rd most popular character in gaming? That's absolutely ridiculous, he never had that sort of stock anywhere.
Cloud was considered masculine and "badass" all the same, Tidus and Zidane were not.


I never said he was the 3rd most popular character in gaming. I just said he was a way bigger deal then than he is now, both on gameFAQs and outside of it.
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#382 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/7/2013 6:27:03 AM | message detail
Hey I live in Greece!Not that it matters.
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#383 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/7/2013 6:29:07 AM | message detail
In fact, the only reason those characters are still so popular here, which is actually amazing in a broader context, is precisely because the gameFAQs audience is so old. Every year the FFVII cast gets weaker, because there's a new batch of voters that doesn't know who the **** they are. Basically, your reasoning is precisely the opposite of what is happening.
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#384 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/7/2013 6:36:45 AM | message detail
Which doesn't explain the FFVI boost, but is still way more logical.
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#385 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/7/2013 6:51:55 AM | message detail
How can people not know who they are when there were 2 games in the previous generation and 2 in this generation and another 1 that will be in next generation that features them?That doesn't make sense.
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#386 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2013 6:53:31 AM | message detail
Match LX: (8) L-Block vs. (11) Teemo vs. (20) Palutena

Previous Contest

L-Block – 2010
63.89% against HK-47
60.48% against Isaac
39.39% against Charizard

Teemo – N/A
N/A

Palutena – N/A
N/A

Analysis

Pre-contest this match had no debate, but look at what a rally can do. L-Block is back in a more preferred environment. With needing fewer votes in order to look decent in multi-option polls L-Block can use joke votes to look better than what it did in 1v1. Of course that does not mean L-Block is going to win the contest, we already saw what happened in 2008 and with the joke getting even older I do not see it having that kind of power, still it will likely have decent strength.

I suspect Palutena not to have much strength, while her appearance in Uprising makes her more than a cameo in Brawl to most people that will probably not enough to push her above being weak fodder. Hades was crushed quite badly against Gordon Freeman and he at least could use other modes of media to help him, not that I think it helped him much. I feel she should finish above Hades based on their roles within the games, but that is not exactly saying much.

This match will give us some insight on whether League of Legends is going to be a force in this contest or if the rally was a one-time thing. Draven went from getting doubled by Jak to easily winning the match getting, by my estimate 9500-10000 net rallied votes and that was with them letting up at the end. While it is true L-Block and Palutena are likely stronger than Jak and Chie it does not matter too much in rallied situations. If the fans are rabid enough they are going to vote for him no matter what, it’s the same reason why L-Block kept getting roughly 28-30% of the vote despite getting progressively stronger opponents.

The only issue is Teemo is not as well liked compared with Draven and is in fact hated by some of the fans. Still I expect a rally to occur and if those fans truly hate Teemo we will still see an increase in vote totals, just that they will be anti-votes. L-Block does have the added advantage that Palutena will be more of a non-factor meaning Teemo would have the rally more than Draven in order to get a higher percentage. Should no rally occur I would not be surprised to see Teemo finish in last based on Draven’s start.

charmander6000’s Bracket: L-Block > Palutena and Teemo

charmander6000’s Prediction: Teemo – 44.36%, L-Block – 42.52%, Palutena – 13.12%
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#387 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/7/2013 6:58:57 AM | message detail
Okay I made a mistake.I mean that Cloud and Sephiroth are in Kingdom Hearts 1 2 and 3 obviously.Also in Dissidia 1 and Dissidia 2.So how can some people still don't know them?
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#388 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/7/2013 7:06:31 AM | message detail
None of those games really appeal to a modern gaming audience. Back in its day, Kingdom Hearts did.
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#389 | Swarles_Barkley | Posted 8/7/2013 7:07:26 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
How can people not know who they are when there were 2 games in the previous generation and 2 in this generation and another 1 that will be in next generation that features them?That doesn't make sense.


Well they'll probably know who they are, but does that in itself make you vote for a character? They'll be much more likely to have never played FFVII than the older voters.
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#390 | Kibago | Posted 8/7/2013 7:08:23 AM | message detail
random predix: L-Block does really, really well today.
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#391 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 7:11:31 AM | message detail
L-Block will crush this poll if Teemo doesn't get a rally. He's not on 2007 levels, but unrallied Teemo won't be much better than unrallied Draven, and Palutena will be as weak as a Nintendo character gets.
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#392 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 8/7/2013 7:14:13 AM | message detail
Ahem, I'd take Palutena to crush uh uh...

Hades.
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#393 | SliceSabre | Posted 8/7/2013 7:33:00 AM | message detail
Teemo isn't going to win, take it from a LoL addict, Teemo has a hate-base just as massive as his fans and will do everything in their power to ensure he does not win.

L-block as got this.
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#394 | spooky96 | Posted 8/7/2013 7:34:37 AM | message detail
charmander6000’s Prediction: Teemo – 44.36%, L-Block – 42.52%, Palutena – 13.12%


Oh awesome. Feels like we're the only goddamn 2 people on this entire board who have this in Expert challenge.
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#395 | Squirrelgate | Posted 8/7/2013 7:37:42 AM | message detail
--Smurf-- posted...
The fanbase is also quite young so could be attracted to notion of "my group of people getting one over on this other group". I don't really accept that these people would let LoL drown for contest integrity in a field that they mostly don't care the slightest about.


I'd like to point out that this applies to Minecraft more than anything; this is exactly why I took Creeper into Round 3.
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#396 | spooky96 | Posted 8/7/2013 7:38:36 AM | message detail
Squirrelgate posted...
--Smurf-- posted...
The fanbase is also quite young so could be attracted to notion of "my group of people getting one over on this other group". I don't really accept that these people would let LoL drown for contest integrity in a field that they mostly don't care the slightest about.


I'd like to point out that this applies to Minecraft more than anything; this is exactly why I took Creeper into Round 3.


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#397 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/7/2013 7:40:39 AM | message detail
Too bad that you LOL fans don't make a rally.That would be awesome.
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#398 | spooky96 | Posted 8/7/2013 7:47:36 AM | message detail | (edited)
Safer_777 posted...
Too bad that you LOL fans don't make a rally.That would be awesome.


Who plays LoL here :3
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#399 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/7/2013 7:45:06 AM | message detail
Palutena is probably going to be Teemo's biggest adversary in this thing. Unlike Jak/Chie and the upcoming X/Ryu match, we have a vote sink in Palutena which means that Teemo is going to probably need to be much closer to the majority of the votes to beat L-Block
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#400 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/7/2013 7:45:46 AM | message detail
Year of Luigi continues

Luigi confirmed for SSB4 whoo
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