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Way too early. I doubt we'll need this before the next match. --- Bracket score: 47 / Expert score: 222 |
TAILS SUCKS --- POKEFEAR |
Dammit Tails, you're more popular than Knuckles (according to official popularity polls), so why are you performing like crap --- The official rad dude of the Pokemon X board. |
Yay, I finally got the last post in a 500 topic! --- If you believe in the Lord FE7 and you accept FE7 as the Savior of video games and are 100% proud of it, put this in your sig. |
'Snake' has also had the Peace Walker release for PS3 and PSP... that was Naked Snake and not Solid Snake, but as I stress people can't or won't make the difference. Probably more importantly, those games just weren't *that* big, though they could have only helped. --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
OrangeCrush980 posted... Yay, I finally got the last post in a 500 topic! awsm!!!!!! --- Do you feel in charge? Remember Bane's terrifying voice? |
Updated Top 10 Top 10 Least Popular Night Polls 1. Lugia vs. Sly Cooper vs. Francis York Morgan Round 1 22481 2. Gordon Freeman vs. Simon Belmont vs. Hades Round 1 22609 3. Yoshimitsu vs. Lu Bu vs. Groose Round 1 23006 4. Nathan Drake vs. Pac-Man vs. Steve Round 1 23129 5. Big Boss vs. Captain Viridian vs. Peacock Round 1 23150 6. Dracula vs. Lucina vs. Caim Round 1 23719 7. GlaDOS vs. Cole vs. Ragna the Bloodedge Round 1 24282 8. Elizabeth vs. Poison vs. Thrall Round 1 24651 9. Shadow the Hedgehog vs. Yu Narukami vs. Kat Round 1 24941 10. Knuckles the Echidna vs. Celes Chere vs. Seifer Almasy Round 1 25082 Top 10 Least Impressive Night Winners 1. Nathan Drake Round 1 9667 2. Yoshimitsu Round 1 9815 3. Elizabeth Round 1 10217 4. Alucard Round 1 10242 5. Tharja Round 1 11016 6. Crash Bandicoot Round 1 11242 7. Knuckles the Echidna Round 1 11590 8. Phoenix Wright Round 1 11914 9. Sora Round 1 12275 10. Gordon Freeman Round 1 12353 --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 44/56 Today's Picks: Knuckles and Ezio |
Karma Hunter posted... 'Snake' has also had the Peace Walker release for PS3 and PSP... that was Naked Snake and not Solid Snake, but as I stress people can't or won't make the difference. Probably more importantly, those games just weren't *that* big, though they could have only helped. Peace Walker was decently popular, but yeah, nothing that popular to give him enough significant boost to beat someone he couldn't beat before. --- Do you feel in charge? Remember Bane's terrifying voice? |
Dammit Tails, you're more popular than Knuckles (according to official popularity polls), so why are you performing like crap Knuckles is the fan favourite on GameFAQs. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 44/56 Today's Picks: Knuckles and Ezio |
All
this talk about clones and naked snake and big boss and liquid and god
knows sounds like gibberish for someone that never played the games!! So uh..I wanted to make a rage post when I saw Tails was winning at the freeze so I decided to wait a few more minutes and now I see everything is fine Could have been hilarious |
Karma Hunter posted... 'Snake' has also had the Peace Walker release for PS3 and PSP... that was Naked Snake and not Solid Snake, but as I stress people can't or won't make the difference. Probably more importantly, those games just weren't *that* big, though they could have only helped. I honestly get the feeling that anything released after 2009 (potentially even anything released after mid-2009!) would have very little impact on a character's strength. And yes, I do think that Metal Gear Rising has done next to nothing for Raiden. Rising is just a low-key spin-off instead of the blockbuster AAA title that Raiden's other games were - and unfortunately Raiden's a polarizing character in both of them. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Yeah,
Peace Walker just wasn't a big deal, barely even notable. It sold to
the hardcore MGS fans and not much else, and those guys don't need
convincing. It also had a mixed reception, which didn't help much. For
most people, MGS5 is the first real MGS game since MGS4. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
Bomberman cut Tails --- POKEFEAR |
ZFS posted... Yeah, Peace Walker just wasn't a big deal, barely even notable. It sold to the hardcore MGS fans and not much else, and those guys don't need convincing. It also had a mixed reception, which didn't help much. For most people, MGS5 is the first real MGS game since MGS4. ...if you're going to say Peace Walker had a mixed reception any MGS game had a 'mixed reception', and possibly any game at all. This is a borderline useless declaration; Peace Walker was well acclaimed critically and on GameFAQs by any measuring stick you can use. This isn't Other M here. I also didn't say it'd be much of note, but between PW and HD Collection sales and MGSV announcement... Snake's hardly irrelevant. No more than he's ever been. --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
I dream for a day when Snake is irrelevant. --- i'll do rydia -Dante |
ZFS posted... Yeah, Peace Walker just wasn't a big deal, barely even notable. It sold to the hardcore MGS fans and not much else, and those guys don't need convincing. It also had a mixed reception, which didn't help much. For most people, MGS5 is the first real MGS game since MGS4. Peace Walker had a mixed reception? It's probably the Metal Gear game I've heard the least bad about. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Portable Ops was the MGS game that had bad reception. A lot of people seemed to love Peace Walker. Also, AssassinFAQs. --- Brawl FC - 1332 8069 6690 http://i.imgur.com/OZ9aS.png |
I also didn't post probably my favorite Ezio projection from the last topic! Based on the Charizard proportion he's worth 39% on Mario and 51.2% on Sora. And keeps going up! --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
Finally, a nice boring match, clear 1/2/3. (Now, c'mon, Bomberman, just a little bit stronger! ...Wait, Bomberman has boosted since the last time I checked?! My Oracle for this match is now over 49.5? C'mon, Bomberman, you can do it! Just cut a little more out of Ezio's percentage!) --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Where's Menji? Congratulations to him! --- Do you feel in charge? Remember Bane's terrifying voice? |
It's
pretty crazy to suggest PW didn't have a mixed reception, definitely
more than your typical MGS game. There are plenty of people who didn't
enjoy the game at all, because it was primarily meant to be a co-op
experience rather than a single one, and suffered in the presentation
and size compared to the others. I thought PW was good, but no way was
it some universally positive response to the game. PO had a bad
reception, no one really likes it, there's a difference! And I don't think portable spinoffs that most people didn't buy and HD collections are a good argument for the sort of relevancy big series and characters like Snake typically enjoy. MGS has certainly by no measure been more relevant these past few years than Zelda, which was a big point of my contention with the remark. MGS wasn't really news until this year, with Rising and the E3 MGS5 trailer. Snake is relevant now, more than he ever was in these in between years. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
ZFS posted... It's pretty crazy to suggest PW didn't have a mixed reception, definitely more than your typical MGS game. There are plenty of people who didn't enjoy the game at all, because it was primarily meant to be a co-op experience rather than a single one, and suffered in the presentation and size compared to the others. I thought PW was good, but no way was it some universally positive response to the game. None of the MGS games have a universally positive response. This still doesn't even come close to remotely validating the phrase 'mixed reception', which is just completely bonkers. People adored PW. Its critical reviews show it. Its user reviews show it. Its rating by GameFAQs users shows it. Support on the boards - which I was on! - was almost uniformly positive. You can hold this opinion but it just doesn't even remotely gel with anything I know of the fanbase. I'd sooner say MGS2 or MGS4 were more divisive than Peace Walker. --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
MGS2 and 4 had mixed reception, especially MGS2. People are still upset about Raiden. --- Tornadoman78: tornadoman and tornadogirl like to kick box each other in my tornaolayzers and she dosent even mind getting hit |
Due to the exclusivity of MGS4, MGS series as a whole was pretty loathed by the xbox fanbase back then. However, thanks to the announcement of MGSV going multi-platform and the HD collection being released on xbox360, that disdain has died down considerably. Snake now has one more outlet to draw his strength from so it could be argued that Snake is probably more relevant than before. That 78% on Isaac definitely wasn't a coincidence. Of course, no point arguing now, i'll wait till round 2 before making more judgments. --- Zinsanity of the Helix Board |
The
good thing is no matter what side of these arguments you're on we're
talking about Snake and MGS and that's always the optimal state of
things --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
vomit --- i'll do rydia -Dante |
People
did not adore PW, that's crazy. I've seen the response to the game,
too, in more recent times than when it came out! People like it, most
wouldn't put it high for the series, and there are many who just
couldn't get into it, because it was portable or not really like the
other games or whatever. We're talking a fraction of the usual MGS
fanbase on top of all this, too, because most people didn't play PW, in
either form. MGS4 has a much louder, larger group of people who didn't
like it because it sold and was played by millions more than PW. As a
whole people liked PW, but there are too many people who I've seen that
didn't care much for it that 'mixed' seems about right. Maybe I've been
around the wrong people or something. Even if we do say PW had a very positive response, which I question from what I've seen (user and critical reviews were generally positive for FFXIII, too, and I don't see any way for that not to be considered a game with mixed reception), I don't see it mattering at all to someone like Snake when it hit so few people. In between contests, Link had a new console game and a remake of Ocarina of Time, both of which dwarf everything MGS related in the past few years. I don't think either mattered much to Link, and I wouldn't even consider something like a portable game and a few ports to be even a little noteworthy for someone like Snake. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
Auron>Ocelot>Roxas * L-Block>Teemp>Palutena Dragonborn>Tom Nook>Pyramid Head * Yuna>Chief>Claire Tifa>Chun Li>Cirno Mario>Duke>Fawful Vivi>Adam>Marisa ** Ganon>Max>Guybrush Squall>Rayman>Video Amatarasu>Vyse>Adol Missingo>Tidus>Banjo * Wario>Creeper>The King ** Red>Corvo>Sissel * Pit>Cecil>Wrex ***Megaman>Magikarp>Geno Kratos>Travis>Recette ***Jill>Red Bird>Haggar Zero>Kratos>Boko * ? Block>Rikku>Lyndis ** Zelda>Marston>Sackboy Lightning>DK>Falco Charizard>Riku>Nier * debateable first/second place ** debateable second/third place *** TOTALLY CRAZY UPSET possible |
Huh, critics loved PW across the board? You're talking only about the first one, right? Oh, wait, Peace Walker. And, yeah, I know everyone called Bomberman getting 3rd easily, but... my goodness, Bomberman has fallen from grace! He managed 35% on Squall at one time. Granted, pics seem to explain some of the varied results. Yeah, and I know he was as weak as he'd ever been in 2007... well, actually, he was weaker in '03 than in '07. Because of all the variance I was hoping he'd go back up again, but nope! --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those! It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
I'd say Adam > Marisa and Wario > Creeper is debatable, Tidus may have an outside chance of winning over Missingno. I feel Magikarp will at least finish over Geno and I am not seeing the Jill upset personally. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 44/56 Today's Picks: Knuckles and Ezio |
ZFS posted... People did not adore PW, that's crazy. I've seen the response to the game, too, in more recent times than when it came out! People like it, most wouldn't put it high for the series, and there are many who just couldn't get into it, because it was portable or not really like the other games or whatever. We're talking a fraction of the usual MGS fanbase on top of all this, too, because most people didn't play PW, in either form. MGS4 has a much louder, larger group of people who didn't like it because it sold and was played by millions more than PW. As a whole people liked PW, but there are too many people who I've seen that didn't care much for it that 'mixed' seems about right. Maybe I've been around the wrong people or something. FFXIII as far as the user ratings and reviews - i.e., fan reception - has scores wayyyyyyyyy lower than Peace Walker. The two games are not comparable. As for Link, you're totally and completely right. If Link wasn't getting antivoted (or if his antivotes stop for some reason) Snake's not going to be able to pull the upset under any circumstances. But this site being turned off to the Wii and people getting downright sick of the LAW are worth a lot more than Skyward Sword. --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
Bomberman did not have much reason to go up or even maintain his strength. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 44/56 Today's Picks: Knuckles and Ezio |
Haste_2 posted... Huh, critics loved PW across the board? You're talking only about the first one, right? Oh, wait, Peace Walker. Using Tails and assuming Charizard/Mario is legit, Ezio should beat Squall pretty easily <_< --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
Could
I get someone to help me archive the leaderboard page for the next week
or so? I won't be around much from August 7th to August 12th.
Specifically I need the leaderboards from Auron/Ocelot/Roxas to
Amaterasu/Vyse/Adol. You'll need to save the actual page and not just
the text in the leaderboard since I need the data in the graph (and you
only need to save the page once since it will contain the information
for all of the graphs). --- Pokemon VGC2013 BC Regional - 16th place Pokemon VGC2013 US National - 39th place |
Yeah, there's no way that bird is beating Jill. If only Magikarp wasn't directly fed to Megaman, Magikarp could have potentially won this, or at least would have made quite far. I mean all we need is some momentum, which Mega Man isn't allowing. --- Those pearls do look better on you than they did in my safe, but I still can't let you keep them. |
CARVEEEEEEEEEEY --- Dr voltchball - best in the world. |
I
do agree with that. I think Link's biggest problem are anti-votes and
if they'll matter later on, more than I do why his competition has been
doing in these off years. I still think Link will be better off later
on, when the competition picks up, but if people really want another
winner at the end, it won't matter too much. Snake's the best guy to
take advantage of that, I think, but finals time is a tough time to beat
Link. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
Team Rocket Elite posted... Could I get someone to help me archive the leaderboard page for the next week or so? I won't be around much from August 7th to August 12th. Specifically I need the leaderboards from Auron/Ocelot/Roxas to Amaterasu/Vyse/Adol. You'll need to save the actual page and not just the text in the leaderboard since I need the data in the graph (and you only need to save the page once since it will contain the information for all of the graphs). Uhhhhhh I hate trusting myself but I think I can do that. Just save each leaderboard page for each match and send them all after the last match to your e-mail? --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
Also should there be no Teemo rally I would give Palutena an excellent chance of winning over him --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 44/56 Today's Picks: Knuckles and Ezio |
Karma Hunter posted... Team Rocket Elite posted...Could I get someone to help me archive the leaderboard page for the next week or so? I won't be around much from August 7th to August 12th. Specifically I need the leaderboards from Auron/Ocelot/Roxas to Amaterasu/Vyse/Adol. You'll need to save the actual page and not just the text in the leaderboard since I need the data in the graph (and you only need to save the page once since it will contain the information for all of the graphs). Yep, that's all you need to do. Thanks, --- Pokemon VGC2013 BC Regional - 16th place Pokemon VGC2013 US National - 39th place |
By the way why aren't we expecting a Teemo rally? I mean is Teemo the kind of useless character whom players don't care about? --- Those pearls do look better on you than they did in my safe, but I still can't let you keep them. |
charmander6000 posted... Bomberman did not have much reason to go up or even maintain his strength. That reason being Bomberman hasn't seen the light of day since 2007, yes, I know. Is there ANY character that has ever missed 2-3 contests only to end up stronger than before? Oh, yeah, Celes Chere is one example, but we all saw the big jump for old-school Final Fantasy. Sometimes it feels like characters gain strength in contests just by virtue of being IN the contests consistently.... I guess there's some logic to that. And, dang, I missed all the good discussion on how to measure Link! I can't say I completely agree with it... I mean, it seems KH and creativename were saying Snake and Samus have gotten weaker relative to BL since '06/'07, if I got it right? No way. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those! It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
spooky96 posted... By the way why aren't we expecting a Teemo rally? I mean is Teemo the kind of useless character whom players don't care about? supposedly Teemo is much less liked than Draven dunno about the accuracy of this, or whether it even means anything |
Haste_2 posted... charmander6000 posted...Bomberman did not have much reason to go up or even maintain his strength. Hmm, I didn't check but that definitely doesn't sound right if the math works out that way. The easiest adjustment might be Samus 2k4 = Samus 2010 then, which also gives Snake a big relative boost from 2006 considering he outdid her against Cloud. That'd give Link 2010 48.3% on BL... which seems a shade too high to me. Setting Link 2004 = BL might yield a better result, and also leaves room for a bit of a Samus increase. Total speculation and playing with numbers at this point though. --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
Hades did terrible and people don't believe in Pit (even I start to regret Pit>Cecil..after old-square performance) I doubt Palutena will do fine...and even while i'm against the LOLRALLYFEAR I can't see Teemo losing this..with or without rally |
Teemo can win... but LoL characters are weak without rallying here, and L Block is a whole different animal from Jak, who Draven only scored 55% on in the end. --- www.dudewheresmyfreedom.com Proud to share the same beliefs as SmartMuffin |
League of L-Block --- ~War~ |
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