Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1092

#401 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 4:28:43 PM | message detail | (edited)
Although honestly assuming Samus = Mario, Ganondorf probably didn't get SFFed at all against Samus come to think of it judging from his match the very next year against Vincent. That really just leaves Samus/Zelda II.

Edit: Heck using the 2006 stats even if you make a pretty ridiculous adjustment (like, setting Samus = Snake), Ganondorf is still expected to get below what he scored on Samus the year before.

lol rSFF
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#402 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/4/2013 4:25:07 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
1337gamerpr0 posted...
"expert challenge is far more luck based"-BlAcK TuRtLe

LOL


It's fine to debate whether the standard bracket-making procedure or Expert Challenge is the better way to have a contest, but more luck-based? Two things:

1) This is all luck-based in some way.
2) Expect Challenge allows you to get more information before making your final pick, which eliminates luck compared to the standard bracket. Would you rather pick who wins this nine-pack before the contest started, or the day before the match after seeing Game and Watch/Drake/Blue perform alongside nearly a hundred other matches first? Luck is still a factor, but let's not act like we're not more educated as we advance in a contest compared to before it begins.


Expert bracket does not punish incorrect choices made in previous matches. You can change your vote to match the board consensus the night before the match occurs.
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#403 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 8/4/2013 4:30:17 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Expert bracket does not punish incorrect choices made in previous matches. You can change your vote to match the board consensus the night before the match occurs.

So it's like the Oracle?
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#404 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 8/4/2013 4:35:29 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Expert bracket does not punish incorrect choices made in previous matches. You can change your vote to match the board consensus the night before the match occurs.


And those two things make it more luck related... how?
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#405 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/4/2013 4:36:15 PM | message detail
nintendogirl1 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Expert bracket does not punish incorrect choices made in previous matches. You can change your vote to match the board consensus the night before the match occurs.


And those two things make it more luck related... how?


because he's not on the leaderboard
#406 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/4/2013 4:37:28 PM | message detail
I just logged on and saw Wolf's percentage for the first time today. I assumed that the match just started before looking at Fox.

Fox has no excuse for losing by the way.
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#407 | pjbasis | Posted 8/4/2013 4:37:40 PM | message detail
Easier =/= more luck
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#408 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/4/2013 4:39:25 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
I just logged on and saw Wolf's percentage for the first time today. I assumed that the match just started before looking at Fox.

Fox has no excuse for losing by the way.


Being leeched by Wolf sounds like a good excuse to me.
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#409 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 4:40:32 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
I just logged on and saw Wolf's percentage for the first time today. I assumed that the match just started before looking at Fox.

Fox has no excuse for losing by the way.


This match is essentially 50/50 if you give Fox 70-80% of Wolf's votes.
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#410 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/4/2013 4:44:26 PM | message detail
Marisa should have been the main Touhou character in this contest. Reimu and Cirno should have been relagated to watching from the sidelines.
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#411 | homsar555 | Posted 8/4/2013 4:44:40 PM | message detail
One thing that is kind of luck-based about the expert challenge: If you get a match as wrong as possible (getting all 3 1v1s wrong), you only lose 2 points, but if you're slightly more accurate, you lose 6.
#412 | General_Zimbad | Posted 8/4/2013 4:46:41 PM | message detail
Wooh, just woke up.

Go Gary Oak! Finally making my bracket not suck after this tough division.
#413 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/4/2013 4:48:55 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
Marisa should have been the main Touhou character in this contest. Reimu and Cirno should have been relagated to watching from the sidelines.


This is Character Battle (9). If the Touhou fanbase was going to nominate anyone, it would be Cirno.
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#414 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 4:50:16 PM | message detail
My bracket has Catherine and I still think I chose right.

When everything is fodder, go for the boobs.
#415 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/4/2013 4:51:31 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
GloryChaos posted...
Marisa should have been the main Touhou character in this contest. Reimu and Cirno should have been relagated to watching from the sidelines.


This is Character Battle (9).


Crap, I completely forgot about that! Seeing Touhou characters in this contest makes me feel bad since they're all relegated to getting third place. Save for that one time somebody posted a picture of being the first voter in the Reimu match.
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#416 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/4/2013 4:53:44 PM | message detail
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/TeamRocketElite/CB9/ReimuR1_Vote1_zps81e45d86.png

Contests would be more fun if they were first vote wins. =D
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#417 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/4/2013 4:57:32 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/TeamRocketElite/CB9/ReimuR1_Vote1_zps81e45d86.png

Contests would be more fun if they were first vote wins. =D


CATS can actually win a contest! :O
#418 | SonicRaptor | Posted 8/4/2013 5:01:02 PM | message detail | (edited)
The only reason why I took Fox > Blue is because I figured Wolf would be SFF'd hard which would edge out a win for Fox. I was right about the SFF, but obviously not to the degree of an edge-out win.

It's getting annoying seeing all my reasoning right, but never strong enough to edge out a win.
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#419 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/4/2013 5:01:51 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
A year or two ago, I'd have figured Red Bird would be horrible fodder, my rationale being "it's GameFAQs, who even plays phone games?" Think I've grown a bit wiser since then and taken note of Angry Bird's ridiculous play rate. I'm sure just about everyone here has played it, and quite a few people have sunk their fair share of hours into the games. Couple that with the iconic look and I doubt he'll be too bad. I'd take him over Catherine.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4715

Almost 66% playrate for Angry Birds, but only about 25% downloaded at least one of the games. I wouldn't pick Red Bird over Jill, but I do think Red Bird will beat Mike Haggar, though.
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#420 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 5:11:06 PM | message detail | (edited)
Red Bird > Jill is crazy. What did Jill do to deserve such disrespect? I mean, she scored almost exactly the same percentage on Samus as Sub-Zero did last time around, that's no joke.
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#421 | GloryChaos | Posted 8/4/2013 5:08:58 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/TeamRocketElite/CB9/ReimuR1_Vote1_zps81e45d86.png

Contests would be more fun if they were first vote wins. =D


Oh, it was you?! And that would be hilarious. Midgar Zolom would surpass Cloud.
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#422 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 5:10:32 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Red Bird > Jill is crazy. What did Jill do to deserve such disrespect?


A pic that makes her way less recognizable than Red Bird.
#423 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 8/4/2013 5:13:37 PM | message detail
As said, if anything, luck is LESS of a factor in the expert challenge. Yes, you can change your pick right up until game time. Which means you have more data, you can make a better statistical analysis, and thus there is less luck.

Now, you COULD make the argument that it is easier to get a higher score because of all of this extra data that you have (I doubt this will end up being the case, due to the potential for LOSING points for you're wrong rather than just not gaining one, but let's go with it). However, this argument would STILL be incorrect as we don't compare "raw scores" on contests. The tenth place guy in 2004 is not better than the winner of 2002 because he only missed two or three points. There is a "curve" here.

Board 8 is better at predicting contests because they make (or try to make) full use of all of the data available to them. Anything that gives you more information is an advantage. So the idea that "you can change your pick" brings in luck rather than reducing it is laughable.
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#424 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 5:19:11 PM | message detail | (edited)
Oh my goodness are you kidding me? That is so obviously Jill Valentine (and who the hell on GameFAQs can't recognize Jill) it's making my head spin. Heck, the pic actually looks pretty great, it evokes MvC connotations as well.

Edit: And who believes that legendary, beloved Resident Evil icon Jill Valentine is going down to 'Red Bird' on "never-play-any-recent-GameFAQs"?
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#425 | kinsho3 | Posted 8/4/2013 5:26:54 PM | message detail
You know, even though I see a lot of gurus complain about LinkMarioSamus, I have to say he's more tolerable than Black Turtle at this point.
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#426 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/4/2013 5:27:13 PM | message detail
My only complaint in that match (but it's a big one) is that SBAllen went ahead and chose all the remaining R1 pictures before I could submit the Jill booty pics I was planning to make.
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#427 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/4/2013 5:31:55 PM | message detail
That blue beret thing and suit is pretty uniquely Jill, so yeah
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#428 | Pizzaknight | Posted 8/4/2013 5:35:02 PM | message detail
I think Haggar has a higher chance of beating Jill than losing to the freaking Red Bird, of all things!

Haggar isn't just one of the playable characters of Final Fight/UMvC3, but a memetic legend, as well.

Poison and Dan Hibiki also have notoriety or memes associated with them, but I'm bold enough to say that Haggar's memetic power is closer to Captain Falcon's than that of his fellow fighting game characters.

Jill should win comfortably, but don't be TOO surprised if the Mayor of Metro City keeps it close.
#429 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/4/2013 5:59:58 PM | message detail
I actually took Hagger over Jill. It was a bracket made in about a minute mostly for fun though where I took upsets that seemed like they might be the least bit possible. Like Slime > Lara, Lu Bu > Yoshimitsu, and Hagger > Jill. Probably some others
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#430 | Sorozone | Posted 8/4/2013 6:04:21 PM | message detail
#431 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 6:06:41 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
By the way, I called Red's ceiling being Crono-level back in 2009! Why didn't this strength show up in the 2010 contest with those Ocelot and MMX matches!?!


Blue > Red
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#432 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/4/2013 6:09:49 PM | message detail
I'm interested in seeing how Red Bird will perform. I think Jill's got this, but I'm expecting Red Bird to impress.

Of course, I've been wrong about so much so far, so I guess we'll see.
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#433 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 6:10:40 PM | message detail
Haggar's going to get destroyed in that poll, sad as it is to say.

Also, "Everyone's played Angry Birds" isn't an argument for Red Bird being worth anything. Just because you know who it is doesn't mean you care enough to vote for it (Hey there, Pac-Man).

I mean, everyone's played Tetris, too, but it's not like if you put a Tetris piece in the contest, it'd win the whole thi--oh
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#434 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/4/2013 6:13:26 PM | message detail
watch out Link, Red Angry Bird gunning for ya
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#435 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/4/2013 6:19:15 PM | message detail
Personally, I can't help but think that all this talk of Jill going down to Red Bird is just preposterous.
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#436 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 6:19:26 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
You know, even though I see a lot of gurus complain about LinkMarioSamus, I have to say he's more tolerable than Black Turtle at this point.


Watching LMS argue is hilarious. While Turtle is just a jerk.
#437 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 8/4/2013 6:21:31 PM | message detail
Steve is a less recognizable character than Red Bird, in a less casual and less played game than Angry Birds, who got doubled by Pac-Man. Going off this, Red Bird should be a stronger character, though Angry Birds is more hated than Minecraft due to its abundance. It's not touching Jill, but Haggar is probably beatable, especially if he's total garbage.
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#438 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/4/2013 6:25:18 PM | message detail
Picking Red Bird to do anything on a site populated by relatively hardcore gamers sounds ridiculous to me.

Hardcore gamers hate Angry Birds.
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#439 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 6:25:44 PM | message detail
DoctorJimmy133 posted...
Steve is a less recognizable character than Red Bird, in a less casual and less played game than Angry Birds, who got doubled by Pac-Man. Going off this, Red Bird should be a stronger character, though Angry Birds is more hated than Minecraft due to its abundance. It's not touching Jill, but Haggar is probably beatable, especially if he's total garbage.


Really, it's probably easier to find a person who played Angry Birds than one who played Zelda. The thing is the most popular game on Facebook. Of course, being known doesn't exactly translate in popularity, but since they are going as far as sell angry birds plushies and make cartoons, I'd say Angry Birds characters are pretty likable.

But it's hard to gauge the popularity of this thing on gameFAQs, because this site seems to be some kind of bubble where the mainstream taste doesn't mean anything. So who knows. I have Red Bird on my bracket, but I'm not sure I would pick him again if I had the chance...
#440 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 6:27:20 PM | message detail
I guess I just picked him on principle. I love Angry Birds and I wanted to see if the hardcore are hardcore enough to reject him. Let's see...
#441 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/4/2013 6:30:35 PM | message detail
I'd hope that Jill has the strength to put a painful tripling on Haggar, so if Red Bird and the mayor are duking it out for second place, that smells just rosy for Jill's percentage.
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#442 | scaryice | Posted 8/4/2013 6:32:12 PM | message detail
Haggar is well-liked. He has a better chance of beating Jill than Red Bird.
#443 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 6:37:23 PM | message detail
Haggar is well liked, but his games aren't that well played. "Haggar has memes" isn't going to get him as many votes as you might think!
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#444 | Fayt_Esteed | Posted 8/4/2013 6:40:07 PM | message detail
Ugh, the more I think about it, the more I can't decide who's more likely to not get last out of Haggar and Red Bird...
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#445 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/4/2013 6:43:42 PM | message detail
Haggar does have Marvel and we just saw Poison, whether it was all TJF or not who knows, do relatively well.
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#446 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 8/4/2013 6:47:11 PM | message detail
Poison doesn't look as good after Booker got killed by Gilgamesh. Elizabeth is really weak as well.
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#447 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/4/2013 6:49:35 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Poison doesn't look as good after Booker got killed by Gilgamesh. Elizabeth is really weak as well.


That's still more than enough to beat Red Bird to me. I expect him to be ridiculously weak.

Maybe others think differently.
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#448 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/4/2013 6:51:37 PM | message detail
I was probably living under a rock or something but Red Bird was the only one of the three that I didn't recognize.
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#449 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/4/2013 6:52:02 PM | message detail
Let's talk about something nicer, like Jill's percentage ceiling for that match. Do I hear 60%?
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#450 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 8/4/2013 6:52:32 PM | message detail
I can easily see Angry Bird putting up 25-30% on recognisability alone without breaking a sweat.

I have trouble seeing Haggar get up that high.
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