Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1092

#101 | dethfdddddh | Posted 8/4/2013 11:13:01 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Also this argument is almost completely pointless for Samus - even assuming some kind of Other M backlash, I don't have faith enough in its playrate as a Wii Metroid game for that to be worth much. Even if she got severely hurt, who the hell is she going to lose to before getting smashed by Mario? Even against Auron/Tifa, she's got insurance because they're gonna be in the same match! DAMMIT Bacon


like tifa is making it past dragonborn
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#102 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 11:13:36 AM | message detail
I understand. But it still doesn't feel at all right to me that a character who is nothing more than a faceless recurring boss breaking 45% on the main character of a PS1 Final Fantasy is considered disappointing.

Even then, I don't think anyone thought Ridley disappointed against Zidane, right? Just me starting to find evidence that Samus won't fall prey to the "disappointing game deboost" that Ryu Hayabusa and Big Daddy were hit by. Also to be fair, Samus and Ridley are arguably more established than those guys - they have a long-running series behind them, while Hayabusa pretty much just has some relatively low-key Xbox/360 games, remakes of those for PS3, and even lower-key games on the NES, and Big Daddy had only one game before his "disappointing" game.
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#103 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 11:14:13 AM | message detail
dethfdddddh posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Also this argument is almost completely pointless for Samus - even assuming some kind of Other M backlash, I don't have faith enough in its playrate as a Wii Metroid game for that to be worth much. Even if she got severely hurt, who the hell is she going to lose to before getting smashed by Mario? Even against Auron/Tifa, she's got insurance because they're gonna be in the same match! DAMMIT Bacon


like tifa is making it past dragonborn


If Tifa can't beat Dragonborn then Samus has nothing to fear from Auron regardless because FF just fell off a cliff in that case
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#104 | jacko_vdz | Posted 8/4/2013 11:15:15 AM | message detail
If Blue = Mewtwo

Ignoring SFF, how many Chesters is Wolf worth?
#105 | spooky96 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:15:31 AM | message detail
dethfdddddh posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Also this argument is almost completely pointless for Samus - even assuming some kind of Other M backlash, I don't have faith enough in its playrate as a Wii Metroid game for that to be worth much. Even if she got severely hurt, who the hell is she going to lose to before getting smashed by Mario? Even against Auron/Tifa, she's got insurance because they're gonna be in the same match! DAMMIT Bacon


like tifa is making it past dragonborn


Game = Characters.

Isn't always true. I saw my friend playing it, water is more interesting than the skyrim dude.
#106 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 11:15:55 AM | message detail
Ridley and Samus have never been particularly tied at the hip, anyway. Ridley's been embarrassing himself in some of Samus's best years. If you want to find an argument for Samus increasing or decreasing, we can wait and actually see the match with HER in it.
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#107 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:16:12 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Also this argument is almost completely pointless for Samus - even assuming some kind of Other M backlash, I don't have faith enough in its playrate as a Wii Metroid game for that to be worth much. Even if she got severely hurt, who the hell is she going to lose to before getting smashed by Mario? Even against Auron/Tifa, she's got insurance because they're gonna be in the same match! DAMMIT Bacon


Yeah, I think the only time Samus's placement is really debatable is in the Mario match, where she could theoretically get either second or third.
#108 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 11:17:36 AM | message detail
*logs on to see if Drake held on to win*

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*votes in Fox/Blue/Wolf*

*sees Fox with over 40% of the vote*

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http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1459968/tiger-woods-fist-pump-o.gif

*looks over and sees Blue with nearly 50% of the vote*

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#109 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 11:17:52 AM | message detail
There's no way Dragonborn will be THAT strong. You can make him 9 different races and/or a woman, and there's probably a lot of people who would only vote for THEIR Dragonborn. It's like Shepard on a whole 'nother level.
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#110 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 11:17:53 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Also this argument is almost completely pointless for Samus - even assuming some kind of Other M backlash, I don't have faith enough in its playrate as a Wii Metroid game for that to be worth much. Even if she got severely hurt, who the hell is she going to lose to before getting smashed by Mario? Even against Auron/Tifa, she's got insurance because they're gonna be in the same match! DAMMIT Bacon


I'd honestly still like to see her flop even though she's my favorite character. Would be a nice change of pace from the contest norm. I agree, however, that Other M's playrate is likely small enough to not affect Samus.

On the other hand, Samus not having anything all that big since 2007 could hurt her, as could the possibility that she was riding Other M hype last contest (there can't be a coincidence that everything Metroid-related exceeded expectations in contests that occurred in the same year as a new release for the series).
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#111 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 11:17:53 AM | message detail
I think Samus getting third in the Mario match is more or less a lock. She's the most easily SFFed character by the Big M, and Mario will probably give her a pounding worse than in 2005 to ensure he doesn't drop the match to Charizard/Mega Man.
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#112 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 11:18:39 AM | message detail
i had no idea that leon was actually tiger woods

this is oddly fitting
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#113 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 11:19:26 AM | message detail
Dragonborn is more likely to lose in round 1 than win in round 2.

I just wish I had the guts to say TOM NOOK OR PYRAMID HEAD WILL WIN A MATCH

But I don't.
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#114 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:20:06 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I think Samus getting third in the Mario match is more or less a lock. She's the most easily SFFed character by the Big M, and Mario will probably give her a pounding worse than in 2005 to ensure he doesn't drop the match to Charizard/Mega Man.


what if Charizard SFFs Mario :O
j/k
#115 | dethfdddddh | Posted 8/4/2013 11:20:18 AM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
There's no way Dragonborn will be THAT strong. You can make him 9 different races and/or a woman, and there's probably a lot of people who would only vote for THEIR Dragonborn. It's like Shepard on a whole 'nother level.


Zack went from being a midcard beast to jobbing against Kefka.

The FF VII haterade will be even stronger against an icon of the series.
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#116 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 11:21:09 AM | message detail
spoilers Kefka is a midcarder now too

(He'd probably be winning this match, too)
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#117 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 11:21:48 AM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
There's no way Dragonborn will be THAT strong. You can make him 9 different races and/or a woman, and there's probably a lot of people who would only vote for THEIR Dragonborn. It's like Shepard on a whole 'nother level.


Honestly, I dunno. While Dragonborn doesn't quite go as far as to appear on his game's cover, I'd say that all of the trailers and advertising for Skyrim practically make him symbolic of his game.

Like, I don't play Skyrim, but I can see Dragonborn's pic and immediately think of the game in question. But I'm just throwing out an idea.
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#118 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 11:21:49 AM | message detail
I am going to enjoy Kefka lose next match to, like, Lara Croft

my bracket won't but that's beside the point
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#119 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 11:22:05 AM | message detail
I almost wish I had taken Tom Nook for CRAZY UPSET PICK

he's got dat animal crossing 3DS hype

my bracket is shot anyway
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#120 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 11:23:21 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I don't play Skyrim


Shocking.
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#121 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 11:24:36 AM | message detail
Going back to my original argument, am I the only one who feels that everything Nintendo that isn't Mario-associated will have dropped in strength since last character battle due to (relative) Nintendo ignoring its non-Mario franchises lately?
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#122 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 11:25:27 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
ZenOfThunder posted...
There's no way Dragonborn will be THAT strong. You can make him 9 different races and/or a woman, and there's probably a lot of people who would only vote for THEIR Dragonborn. It's like Shepard on a whole 'nother level.


Honestly, I dunno. While Dragonborn doesn't quite go as far as to appear on his game's cover, I'd say that all of the trailers and advertising for Skyrim practically make him symbolic of his game.

Like, I don't play Skyrim, but I can see Dragonborn's pic and immediately think of the game in question. But I'm just throwing out an idea.


BioWare's stats chart thingy shows a decent chunk of people play with default Shep, but with Skyrim you never really get "default Dragonborn," and with all the gameplay differences/huge appearance differences of changing your race, plus the fact that you're never obligated/might not even find the mascot Dragonborn's signature helmet means that even less people are attached to him
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#123 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 11:25:30 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I don't play Skyrim


Shocking.


There's literally no point to this message other than to mock me like this. And there's so much to discuss, why fill these topics with mocking a particular user?
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#124 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 11:26:08 AM | message detail
Nintendo in general really just hasn't been impressing me. I guess you can say Falcon exceeded expectations but I thought he would win that match comfortably!
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#125 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 11:28:10 AM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
ZenOfThunder posted...
There's no way Dragonborn will be THAT strong. You can make him 9 different races and/or a woman, and there's probably a lot of people who would only vote for THEIR Dragonborn. It's like Shepard on a whole 'nother level.


Honestly, I dunno. While Dragonborn doesn't quite go as far as to appear on his game's cover, I'd say that all of the trailers and advertising for Skyrim practically make him symbolic of his game.

Like, I don't play Skyrim, but I can see Dragonborn's pic and immediately think of the game in question. But I'm just throwing out an idea.


BioWare's stats chart thingy shows a decent chunk of people play with default Shep, but with Skyrim you never really get "default Dragonborn," and with all the gameplay differences/huge appearance differences of changing your race, plus the fact that you're never obligated/might not even find the mascot Dragonborn's signature helmet means that even less people are attached to him


Yeah, that's the main knock against Dragonborn - being a highly customizable character with no characterization. I still feel that my theory holds weight though.
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#126 | RockMFR | Posted 8/4/2013 11:29:32 AM | message detail
10% of the characters in round 2 will be from Pokémon. Possibly 25% for round 3. Insane.
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#127 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 11:30:22 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
There's literally no point to this message


too bad you don't realize this applies to virtually everything you post
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#128 | swordz9 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:30:24 AM | message detail
Blue going for that 500 vote lead.
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#129 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:30:54 AM | message detail | (edited)
Why LMS always likes to ignore Pokemon in all his Nintendo talk is something I'd like to know.

Oh right. It's not a series that works for Let's Plays.
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#130 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 11:30:39 AM | message detail
don't make me rererepost the list of pokemon we could rally in
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#131 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/4/2013 11:31:48 AM | message detail
dude everyone knows what Dragonborn looks like. They know Dragonborn. That trailer, man.
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#132 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 11:31:55 AM | message detail
Also, I'm with KH in not being particularly impressed with Nintendo thus far. They've met my expectations a few times, but none of them have really blown me away yet.

Except for Blue here, I guess, but this is a weird match and it barely counts for anything.
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#133 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 8/4/2013 11:32:36 AM | message detail
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
Why LMS always likes to ignore Pokemon in all his Nintendo talk is something I'd like to know.

Oh right. It's not a series that works for Let's Plays.


Uhhh...

Pokémon has a massive Let's Play culture for an extra restrictive method of playing the series (Nuzlocke), let alone a straight play through.
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#134 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/4/2013 11:32:47 AM | message detail
also my response to Leon's post:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Tiger-Woods-fistpump-slow-motion.gif
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#135 | swordz9 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:33:07 AM | message detail
I don't know what Dragonborn looks like or even what series it is from.
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#136 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:33:23 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Also, I'm with KH in not being particularly impressed with Nintendo thus far. They've met my expectations a few times, but none of them have really blown me away yet.

Except for Blue here, I guess, but this is a weird match and it barely counts for anything.


Nintendo only impresses against Nintendo.
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#137 | KommunistKoala | Posted 8/4/2013 11:36:41 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
I don't know what Dragonborn looks like or even what series it is from.


but you're swordz9
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#138 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/4/2013 11:37:34 AM | message detail
Anyone even remotely interested in Skyrim I mean.

I have played zero minutes of Skyrim and I am tremendously hyped for Dragonborn/know what he looks like.
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#139 | swordz9 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:38:02 AM | message detail
What's that supposed to mean? It's not hard to not know a character from a series you've probably never played. I didn't know any LoL characters until this contest because I've never played it, seen it played or know anybody who plays it.
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#140 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 11:39:04 AM | message detail
I'm going to be voting for Dragonborn even though I play as a female Redguard

so I guess "what do I know" but we're gonna have to see how hype he is

all the other Western characters have fallen flat on their faces.
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#141 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 11:39:15 AM | message detail
Pokemon impressing or not impressing doesn't really matter that much anyway, not compared to them having by far the most favorable bracket positioning in the contest. They've got an excellent shot at taking down two Noble Niners (Mega Man & Crono) thanks to crippling fanbase splits, and a decent one at taking down two more because of fanbase splitting (Mario & Samus).

I can make MGS look decent too if I rig the bracket!
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#142 | spooky96 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:39:36 AM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
What's that supposed to mean? It's not hard to not know a character from a series you've probably never played. I didn't know any LoL characters until this contest because I've never played it, seen it played or know anybody who plays it.


You need to socialize.
#143 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/4/2013 11:39:56 AM | message detail
I wasn't even sure what Dragonborn was until I looked it up the other day to do some research for my Oracle.

I think reading about Dragonborn lowered my original expectations for him.
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#144 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 11:40:48 AM | message detail
RockMFR posted...
10% of the characters in round 2 will be from Pokémon. Possibly 25% for round 3. Insane.


You mean, 8 characters in round 2 and 7 in round 3, right? So round 2 would have to be something like this:

Charizard > Zelda
Pikachu > Crono
Missigno > Squall
Blue > Nathan Drake/MGW
Mewtwo > Vincent
Squirtle > Dante
Red > Wario/Cecil

Cloud > Lugia

The scary thing is that I can see all those pokemon wins happening.
#145 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:41:30 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Pokemon impressing or not impressing doesn't really matter that much anyway, not compared to them having by far the most favorable bracket positioning in the contest. They've got an excellent shot at taking down two Noble Niners (Mega Man & Crono) thanks to crippling fanbase splits, and a decent one at taking down two more because of fanbase splitting (Mario & Samus).

I can make MGS look decent too if I rig the bracket!


excuses excuses
get ready for more POKEFEAR
#146 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 8/4/2013 11:41:38 AM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
I'm going to be voting for Dragonborn even though I play as a female Redguard

so I guess "what do I know" but we're gonna have to see how hype he is

all the other Western characters have fallen flat on their faces.



Same. My Dragonborn looks nothing like the advertised one but I'd still vote him. Would be the same deal with The Warden or Hawke from Dragon Age (and I even played as Fem Hawke)
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#147 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 8/4/2013 11:41:43 AM | message detail
I think I have IRL friends who, combined, have covered pretty much every game in this contest fanbase-wise

except touhou

i have never met a single person in real life that knows what a touhou is
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#148 | hylianknight3 | Posted 8/4/2013 11:41:48 AM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
swordz9 posted...
What's that supposed to mean? It's not hard to not know a character from a series you've probably never played. I didn't know any LoL characters until this contest because I've never played it, seen it played or know anybody who plays it.


You need to socialize.


I hear League of Legends is the best way to win all the ladies.
#149 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/4/2013 11:42:33 AM | message detail
I mean I guess I could be wrong and no one actually cares about/gets attached to Dragonborn. I just would be blindsided because I care about him from a friggin trailer.
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#150 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 11:42:36 AM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Pokemon impressing or not impressing doesn't really matter that much anyway, not compared to them having by far the most favorable bracket positioning in the contest. They've got an excellent shot at taking down two Noble Niners (Mega Man & Crono) thanks to crippling fanbase splits, and a decent one at taking down two more because of fanbase splitting (Mario & Samus).

I can make MGS look decent too if I rig the bracket!


excuses excuses
get ready for more POKEFEAR


I've got Mewtwo > Vincent, Pikachu > Crono, and Charizard destroying the bottom half of the bracket you need to get on my level
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