Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1091

#201 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/4/2013 6:04:19 AM | message detail
The gurus have Blue as the favorite though.
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#202 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/4/2013 6:14:48 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
Fox > Blue > Wolf

Betting on some fierce Star Fox/Pokemon overlap here and Fox being stronger than Blue indirectly, which is hardly a big longshot here.


Fox easily wrecks Blue indirectly, given that Blue = Red at best and that Red is just a touch above Ocelot. Honestly this next match is really all about how much Wolf is able to stand up to Fox - if he gets annihilated into looking like bad fodder Fox should have more than enough percentage to beat Blue.

If he can't that would be really depressing, because it means Wolf actually has fans.


Personally, I think Wolf is awesome, but I'm not really concerned about how well he does because he'll be overlapping with both of them anyway.
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#203 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/4/2013 6:17:36 AM | message detail
Blue would take out Fox even without Wolf
And Pikachu would take down Crono even without Magus
Im totally reasonable,this is not my fanboysm talking or anything!
#204 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/4/2013 6:20:24 AM | message detail
And Snake would totally kick Link's ass this year even without Mario in the Finals, I get where you're coming from
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#205 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/4/2013 7:09:27 AM | message detail
Match LIV: (7) Fox McCloud vs. (12) Pokemon Trainer Blue vs. (21) Wolf O’Donnell

Previous Contest

Fox McCloud – 2010
67.25% against Lloyd Irving
32.97% against Solid Snake

Pokemon Trainer Blue – N/A
N/A

Wolf O’Donnell – N/A
N/A

Analysis

Another match where two characters from the same series are up against each other and unsurprisingly we are going to get a SFF beat down. Wolf is likely the weakest of the three Star Fox characters in this contest and looking at Falco it is likely Wolf does not have much strength before SFF. Add SFF and we could see Wolf struggle to break 10% in this match.

I am not sure why this board is so confident in Pokemon Trainer Blue, yes he looked good in the rivalry contest, but that does not mean he will be strong here. Red while showing some strength is not a world beater and I doubt Blue is as strong as he is. One advantage that he does have is he gets a more Pokemon picture rather than the Smash Bros. picture Red was stuck using last contest.

I feel people have underestimated Fox. He is not a Nintendo near-elite, but he has had some decent performances in the past doing well against Sora and Yoshi in four-ways. Some people seemed to fear that LFF would be the cause for his loss and while potentially true LFF can only do so much. First Fox’s ability to SFF Nintendo characters in the past have been noted and if Wolf is being reduced to very low levels there is not going to be much for him to siphon. Then you also have to take into account that Blue himself is a Nintendo character and while Fox and Wolf share more of a fanbase this does not immune Blue from any potential SFF.

If Wolf really holds up or if Blue is stronger than Red then Blue may have a chance at winning, but right now I feel this is nothing more than Pokemon fear. Honestly Fox is no slouch and while I feel Blue may have some strength I do not see it being comparable to Fox.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Fox McCloud > Pokemon Trainer Blue and Wolf O’Donnell

charmander6000’s Prediction: Fox McCloud – 50.48%, Pokemon Trainer Blue – 38.33%, Wolf O’Donnell – 11.19%
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#206 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/4/2013 7:42:04 AM | message detail
50-38? You don't even believe it will be close..?
#207 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/4/2013 7:51:28 AM | message detail
If Wolf SFF is as impactless as Char predicts (I agree that it will have very little impact -- I don't think Wolf is popular enough to Nintendo/Starfox/Smash fans to take anything more than a negliglble amount of votes), 50-38 is entirely plausible. I don't think Blue will be nearly as strong as some people think -- then again, I've been underestimating Pokemon all contest.
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#208 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 8:01:59 AM | message detail | (edited)
Let's put this into perspective a bit here:

Both Red and Jill Valentine have had close matches with Revolver Ocelot. Jill is worth 33% on Samus. Fox is worth 33% on Snake. So it can be concluded that Fox and Red are around the same strength level, with Fox probably being stronger. The question then is how far away from Red Blue is strength-wise.

EDIT: Then again Jill may have boosted from Resident Evil 5 (...wait a sec, doesn't everyone hate her there?) between 2008 and 2010 so forget it. Though I'm leaving my post here in case people are curious.
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#209 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 8/4/2013 8:01:43 AM | message detail
guys guys guys
this is extremely important
are you underestimating pokemon
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#210 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 8:07:15 AM | message detail
It's not like Pokemon has done note-worthily well this contest, unless getting just under 30% on Mega Man X, getting 37% on Bayonetta (which just sounds fodderrific), and struggling to double Sly Cooper count.
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#211 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/4/2013 8:09:02 AM | message detail
Pokemon overestimation is the new way people are misjudging Pokemon. I feel that taking Blue in this match, or Mewtwo over Vincent is just Pokefear gone way, way too far.
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#212 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:09:55 AM | message detail
Ultimaphazon posted...
Pokemon overestimation is the new way people are misjudging Pokemon. I feel that taking Blue in this match, or Mewtwo over Vincent is just Pokefear gone way, way too far.


All in on Phoenix Wright!
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#213 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 8:26:33 AM | message detail
Out of curiosity, is Metal Sonic on that "list of potential newcomers for the next character battle"?
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#214 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:27:05 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Out of curiosity, is Metal Sonic on that "list of potential newcomers for the next character battle"?


Only if Dark Link is...

I'll show myself out.
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#215 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/4/2013 8:28:44 AM | message detail
No, I will be rallying for the Great Gonzales.
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#216 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/4/2013 8:29:07 AM | message detail
Oh yeah I forgot about that lol.

But Metal Sonic is a recurring antagonist in the Sonic series, while Dark Link is just a random final boss in Zelda II and a random boss in Ocarina of Time and Four Swords Adventures.
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#217 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/4/2013 8:29:38 AM | message detail
For some reason I have a real bad feeling about Blue right now, and I felt mad confident all week.

Oh well, time to listen to some awesome music to get hyped up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHUESz6qWo
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#218 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/4/2013 8:31:04 AM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
For some reason I have a real bad feeling about Blue right now, and I felt mad confident all week.

Oh well, time to listen to some awesome music to get hyped up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHUESz6qWo


Likewise, for us Star Fox supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCEAK6XUQ5o
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#219 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:34:16 AM | message detail
Gary was here, Fox is a loser.
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#220 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:38:43 AM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
For some reason I have a real bad feeling about Blue right now, and I felt mad confident all week.

Oh well, time to listen to some awesome music to get hyped up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHUESz6qWo


Likewise, for us Star Fox supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCEAK6XUQ5o


Star Wolf?
Wolf to LFF Fox into 2nd place confirmed
#221 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:38:49 AM | message detail
#222 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/4/2013 8:40:53 AM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
For some reason I have a real bad feeling about Blue right now, and I felt mad confident all week.

Oh well, time to listen to some awesome music to get hyped up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHUESz6qWo


Likewise, for us Star Fox supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCEAK6XUQ5o


Lowballing too much. He said awesome,that means bringing out big guns like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdvCynQLor4
#223 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/4/2013 8:41:34 AM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
For some reason I have a real bad feeling about Blue right now, and I felt mad confident all week.

Oh well, time to listen to some awesome music to get hyped up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHUESz6qWo


Likewise, for us Star Fox supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCEAK6XUQ5o


Star Wolf?
Wolf to LFF Fox into 2nd place confirmed


Nope. My ideal result is to see Wolf do well and Fox still blast away Blue anyway. That being said, Wolf can die if it is necessary.
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#224 | Zylothewolf | Posted 8/4/2013 8:42:16 AM | message detail
I really don't understand why anyone thinks Blue will win this. Pokémon Trainers are weak, just look at N.
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#225 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 8:43:24 AM | message detail
Zylothewolf posted...
I really don't understand why anyone thinks Blue will win this. Pokémon Trainers are weak, just look at N.


No, gen 5 is weak. Blue should be way stronger than N.
#226 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/4/2013 8:43:39 AM | message detail
N and Blue are not to be compared
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#227 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:43:50 AM | message detail
Gen 5 =/= Gen 1
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#228 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/4/2013 8:43:57 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
For some reason I have a real bad feeling about Blue right now, and I felt mad confident all week.

Oh well, time to listen to some awesome music to get hyped up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHUESz6qWo


Likewise, for us Star Fox supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCEAK6XUQ5o


Lowballing too much. He said awesome,that means bringing out big guns like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdvCynQLor4


The StarFox Assault remix of Wolf is one of my all time favorite video game tracks, actually. Easily the best thing to come from that game.
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#229 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/4/2013 8:45:21 AM | message detail
I sucked ass the first time I fought Star Wolf there and it took like 20 minutes and I got sick of that damn song
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#230 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/4/2013 8:46:18 AM | message detail
Blue's strength probably lives and dies off how many votes he gets for sort of, but not really, being Gary.
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#231 | Qwaar | Posted 8/4/2013 8:46:24 AM | message detail
15 mins to go and I'm still trying to decide. I'm edging towards Fox though.
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#232 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:47:13 AM | message detail
Will he be called Pokemon Trainer Blue or just Blue
This is important
#233 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 8:47:20 AM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
Blue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjA4SgVDmh4


Oh God, how I hate this song.

Your pokemon are all with low HP. You are out of PP, our starter is poisoned, and your second strongest is fainted. You finally arrive in the next city, and go to the pokécenter to heal your party.

But who stands in your way as the dreaded song starts playing?

Gary Motherf****** Oak.
#234 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/4/2013 8:47:23 AM | message detail
Honestly that Star Wolf theme is amazing, and I have no problem with supporting Wolf in this match too. The better he does, the better for Blue. :)
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#235 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:48:01 AM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
For some reason I have a real bad feeling about Blue right now, and I felt mad confident all week.

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#236 | Zylothewolf | Posted 8/4/2013 8:48:02 AM | message detail
Fox VS Generation 1 Pokémon.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1306

Nah I'm just trolling, I know Fox would have a tough time with the rat now.
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#237 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/4/2013 8:50:18 AM | message detail
Speaking of the good stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW-7Em3BYiA

Man, all the nostalgia. Star Fox really had some great music, didn't it?
#238 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:50:57 AM | message detail
I hope people realize we could be getting the winner of the division out of this match, if Crono and Sora meet and SFF each other to the ground. HYPE.
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#239 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/4/2013 8:50:59 AM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZovHKc2BZA

I had forgotten how much I like Assaults soundtrack. Shame the gameplay couldn't consistently match up with 64.
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#240 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 8/4/2013 8:52:30 AM | message detail
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
I hope people realize we could be getting the winner of the division out of this match, if Crono and Sora meet and SFF each other to the ground. HYPE.


This match could decide whether Snake can beat Cloud or not, which could decide whether Link is defeated in the finals.

Damn, division 6.
#241 | abdou | Posted 8/4/2013 8:52:43 AM | message detail
Fox will win easily. no one cares about the trainers
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#242 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:53:42 AM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gUe99u11bw
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#243 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/4/2013 8:53:49 AM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxIWXE8E-pw

Let's do this
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#244 | voltch | Posted 8/4/2013 8:54:09 AM | message detail
Smell ya later brackets
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#245 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/4/2013 8:54:47 AM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG3uhs8QGQc

"Open the wings."

"Check your G-diffuser system."

"Falco here. I'm fine."

"This is Peppy. All systems go."

"Slippy here. I'm okay."

"I see 'em up ahead! Let's rock and roll!"
#246 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 8/4/2013 8:54:57 AM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc9jYCvWJzY
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#247 | swordz9 | Posted 8/4/2013 8:55:09 AM | message detail
Blue had better win the board vote. Don't fail Blue like you failed Yu b8.
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#248 | voltch | Posted 8/4/2013 8:55:41 AM | message detail
Landmasters about to pile themselves on top of each other.
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#249 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 8/4/2013 8:56:07 AM | message detail
abdou posted...
Fox will win easily. no one cares about the trainers


I think it entirely depends on how many people see him as Gary MFN Oak
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#250 | CasanovaZelos | Posted 8/4/2013 8:56:17 AM | message detail
I think it's kind of unfair that Blue and Red have Pokemon Trainer attached to their name. It's not a title like Commander or Captain. It's a simple descriptor. All adding it does is draw attention to the series they're from, giving them the benefit of being title characters...
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